Every thing I have read about chevelle tells me it is impossable to tell if a 7o-72 left the fac.as a SS from the vin. My 72 left the fac. as a Malibu. In restoring it I added the SS stripe option,I also replaced the steel wheels with the rally wheels.I have fac. documentation that both where an option for the 72. Dos this make it a SS?? No it is still a malibu..If I swap the eng. with a big block,add buckets a concell and SS badges is it now a SS.?? I say no, it is still a Malibu yet I sure see a lot of SS s.. Funny, when I look at the fith didget it tells me the car came with a 307,sometimes evan a six cyl on a lot of them. Enter the car and enjoy the club.

Dick I don't know Chevy VIN's, so I can't answer that. With the aftermarket parts out there for Chevelles, there are probably more Chevelles out there that were originally Malibus, than there are actual Chevelles.

If I wasn't going to have the car judged, I'd rather have a '70 Chevelle with a '71-'72 back bumper on it. I always liked the dual headlights, I always liked the round tail lights, but Chevy never built the car with both.

QUOTE Could a 1934 Packard Super 8 with a transplanted 1934 V12 be regarded as an authentic V12? That's a question only the judges can answer. UNQUOTE

As I said before, that's been done ever since I read my first MOTOR TREND in 1951, and before that too. And, today nobody would even know it's been done. That 5th Digit on a Chevrolet? Those cars are in junkyards somewhere with their VIN numbers still on them.

How many Model T sedans have ended up with roadster bodies? Anybody know? No, they don't. How many Packard, Lincoln or Ruxton sedans have a desert roadster body today. Anybody know? No, they don't. Time heals all wounds.

As somebody has said here, what really comes into play is when deceit and money become involved.

The question really comes into play when you consider if a car being built makes one more then was ever produced. If the factory built 9 of them, you probably better really work to find out if all 9 still exist, but if they made 550 of them you can rest assured a couple of hundred made it to the junkyard.

Chev. started usingthe 5th digit of the vin to desagnate eng. size in 72, I may be wrong but I think all manufactures did. 72 and newer cars all in the junk yard??? I bet you get a arguement from lots of folks out there. Dinaflash, I would guess that refers to a Buick dynoflow. Owned a couple of them, nice tanks but there sure as heck was nothing about them that could be called a flash. Cruse all day at 90,only problem by the time they hit 90 you where there.To each his own, have a wonderful day.

Windjammer: Nope, "Dynaflash 8" was introduced as an engine name in 1938 and used for three years. In 1941 the engine name was changed to "Fireball 8". I'm a '39er. As for the Dynaflow, introduced in '48, it began to get some speed to it after "sprags" were put into it in the mid-fifties, but you're right they weren't speed burners. But, I remember how proud my dad was to say "you can't even feel it shift". Different strokes for different folks.

Now, I didn't say all '72's were in junkyards, just plenty of them; enough anyway to be able to find a correct VIN tag with the needed 5th number, if in fact that identified the type of engine as you say.

Thanks for the ans. and the memory or reminder of the fireball 8. In all truth I was just trying to get a little (frendly) goat. As example I call my sister-in-law every time the Yankees lose,right now she wont evan talk to me.Your Dad was right, they where and are a dream to drive.

Guy's - I hate to open this post again, But I recently attended a car show where I happened to sit with a Team Caption AACA judge. My car was on display and he was aware that the car was a recreation. He gave me the strong impression that the car would simply be disqualified from being judged.

I have re-read the AACA judge book and this is really open for intrepritation as to how AACA judges cars. The way I read the book, if the car "COULD HAVE" come from the factory the way the car is being presented, then it's OK to be judged. So a couple of questions:

1. If the car is put into the HI Performance class, and was not a hi performance car per the VIN in 1970, what happens? is the car disqualified?

2. What's to prevent me from putting the car in the standard Mustang class? The only discrpency would be the motor in the car (per the VIN again) - is it disqualified because the motor is different? or is that simply a points deduction?

I'd hate to take the car all the way to Hershey and not have it judged.

Thanks.

I would think that you are OK. But, to make sure, write the VP of Class Judging and ask him your question. Whatever ruling is made by the VP of Class Judging.... goes.... no matter what a random team captain or a random judge thinks.

I think full disclosure is the key. When dealing with race cars especially those that were used for a while the word original is often a stretch.

I have one original car. It was built in 1967 and remained with the manufacturer until I bought it a few months ago.

That said it required a total dis-assembly and cleaning before it could be used. (This work was done by the original manufacturer).

I did make a few changes such as storing the original wheels and tires and mounting new wheels and tires but everything I did is reversible.

I took the car to Villa d'Este in it's original condition and then fit the new wheels and tires and Drove her on her first voyage the 800 Miles of the Historic Targa Florio.

Cars like this one are very rare and I think so long as people are honest about exactly what their car is and isn't all is good.

The problem is many begin by fooling others and wind up fooling themselves. The Truth can be determined and it does come out eventually. Why someone would want to fool themselves is beyond me...

1967 Ferrari Dino Competizione by Pininfarina

This is very good advice.

Also, when you hear back from the VP of class judging, if your car is cleared for being judged under AACA rules, make sure and bring the letter with you to shows. That will serve as your proof to any Team Captain or Field Judge that your car is eligible for AACA judging should they choose to question it.

Thanks guys... Now how and where do I find the VP for class 34b Ford Mustang 1967-1970 and 36i Factory High Performance Ford 1970-1980?

Thanks again for your help.

There is only one VP of Class Judging, Joe Vicini and his address is in the front of the AACA magazine

Steve, maby hotzoro is not yet a member of AACA,and hasnt a mag. You better sign him up. In the meantime, the address is Joe Vicini, 3 Robins nest drive. Perrineville NJ 08535

Happy Birthday Dick!

You ain't getn no young'r Bubb!

Wayne

Happy Birthday windjamer!!!! Hopefully I will get to meet you at Hershey and say Happy Birthday to you in person.