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#328253 - 01/15/06 09:41 PM
1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Edited by Joe Kieliszek (01/18/06 10:01 PM)
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#328254 - 01/16/06 02:25 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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That's a sweet car. Are you going to post some photos of the restoration process? It won't be too long and you'll have a hundred year old car. Not many can say that!
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#328255 - 01/16/06 06:11 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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I'll have to resize some of my photos so I can upload them.. Thanks, Joe 
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#328256 - 01/16/06 08:03 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 12/11/04
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Joe, That is one beautiful Buick. I'd love to see more pictures. What a blast that will be to drive about town in.
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#328257 - 01/16/06 08:35 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14
[Re: ewing]
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Registered: 12/31/04
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You lucky,lucky,lucky...dawg. So many beautiful old Buicks showing up lately. JO BO
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#328258 - 04/21/06 10:42 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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 Currently turning the axle spindles to accept Timken bearings; the spindles were bent about .070 off the axle centerline and had to be straightened before turning.. Thanks, Joe 
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#328259 - 06/10/06 10:58 AM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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#328260 - 06/25/06 07:33 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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 Shown are the old ball style wheel bearings on the left wheel; the wheel to the right has been sleeved front and back for tapered bearings with new seals on inboard bearing side. I'm machining sleeves from pre-heat treated steel with an .001 interference fit.. Thanks, Joe
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#328261 - 09/09/06 02:56 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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 next project was checking the runout of the brake drums; one wheel gave me trouble as its center hub had been welded up and the locating diameter for the brake drum wasn't running concentric with the bearings. I ended up boring the locating hole of the drum and sleeving it. Joe <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#328262 - 04/21/07 10:59 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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 Working on the transmission; cutting new gear teeth on a reworked double gear shaft. 2 of the original gears were pretty chewed up...
Edited by Joe Kieliszek (04/21/07 11:05 PM)
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#328263 - 04/29/07 02:32 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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 This gear was a little trickier; it has a 17 tooth internal gear which acts as a spline to lock up with the driven side of the clutch for high gear. I first roughed out the teeth by drilling and milling the tooth cavities before using a hand ground tool with the tooth profile to broach the finish shape of the sides & outer edge. It took a couple of additional passes around before the gear fit freely into the clutch gear on all the teeth... Thanks, Joe <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Edited by Joe Kieliszek (04/29/07 02:37 PM)
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#328264 - 04/29/07 09:40 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 03/29/03
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Joe, my hat is off to you. I would only dream about doing work like this. Please, what training is involved to learn to do work like trhat? Tool and die maker?
JD
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#328265 - 04/29/07 11:07 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Hi John, No, just worked in a lot of different general machining job shops. What you don't learn from trial and error is all in Machinery's Handbook.. Thanks, Joe <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#328266 - 05/19/07 07:41 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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 Everything fits even with the two gears "growing" slightly from the flame hardening of their teeth. Also new is a screw in bearing carrier for the pinion gear (bottom). I ended up using a Timken tapered bearing with a needle thrust bearing behind it to replace the obsolete ball bearing on the pinion gear. Now on to the clutch and torque tube side of the tranny.... Thanks, Joe <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Edited by Joe Kieliszek (05/19/07 07:43 PM)
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#328267 - 05/26/07 10:04 AM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Model 14 clutches are prone to "sticking" when engaged- so much that later versions (including mine) have a spring loaded plunger which contacts the side of the clutch unit to stop rotation. So on the advise of another model 14 owner, I bought a "jackrabbit" clutch disk set sold by a model T supplier. The disks are covered with a friction material (on right) versus the old bronze disks to the left.  The old disk drum had to be turned down by about .270" and the slots milled back in to accomodate the smaller model T disks; also the O.D. of the new disks had to be reduced by an eigth of an inch to clear the bolts that hold the assembly together.... Thanks, Joe <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Edited by Joe Kieliszek (05/26/07 10:14 AM)
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#429410 - 06/12/07 09:46 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
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#503512 - 04/19/08 01:32 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
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 Rebuilt 1" Schebler carburetor at right (same as used by Buick model 10). Thanks, Joe
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#521537 - 07/06/08 12:12 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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 Painted frame; I built a support frame around it to rotate the piece while sanding and painting. Thanks, Joe
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#524254 - 07/17/08 02:31 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Registered: 07/17/08
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Hello Joe,
I am a new member to the discussion forum, based near Dublin, Southern Ireland, I have the task of rebuilding a 1908 Buick (we think?)there will be many questions that I could do with answers to and judging by your experience you probably can supply the info? Looking at what you have already done the engineering quality looks fantastic, I only hope I can come near it. Most of the car is there but the outer clutch to gearbox drive unit and the flywheel square drive is missing and I have no idea what they look like to show the seller of the car what I am after. Do you have any images of these items please? Regards Ian Anderson
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#524539 - 07/18/08 10:47 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Iana]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Loc: Walton Hills, Ohio
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 Hi Ian, Shown is a Spicer universal joint I replicated a few years back (on right). I was fortunate that the original on left was included with the car. The square socket on the end of the yoke often gets chewed out. Thanks, Joe
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#524660 - 07/19/08 06:48 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
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Hi Joe,
Brilliant information,very many thanks for that, I now realise that the square drive that fits the coupling and the input shaft aligned by a woodfuff key are missing, any pics of that item?
Ian
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#524764 - 07/20/08 11:03 AM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Iana]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Loc: Walton Hills, Ohio
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Hello Ian, No photos of it on hand, but the original drive end is around 4-3/4" long. It is made from 1-3/8" diameter steel with a 1-1/8" square milled back about 4 inches. The center hole is 7/8" inside diameter with a 3/16" (I believe) drive key in line with a corner square. Make the lengths longer; they can always be cut back if need be.... Thanks, Joe
Edited by Joe Kieliszek (07/20/08 11:08 AM)
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#525229 - 07/22/08 08:35 AM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Joe Kieliszek]
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Hi Joe,
Many thanks for the info, I will get a drawing done and sent the the machine shop. Would you be able to tell me if you know of anyone who has a clutch cover + plates or complete assembly for sale? As this part is missing I would like to modify it as per your clutch. Regards
Ian
Edited by Iana (07/22/08 08:39 AM)
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#525370 - 07/22/08 06:11 PM
Re: 1911 Buick model 14 *DELETED*
[Re: Iana]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Hi Ian, None that I am aware of; I'll keep my eyes open.. Thanks, Joe
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