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#520643 - 07/01/08 08:47 PM Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage
Reatta Man Offline
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Registered: 09/25/00
Posts: 1954
Loc: San Antonio, TX USA
I did a quick Google news search and found several interesting stories, and one dealer who is not only willing to install a hydrogen generator, but guarantee it or give you your money back if you don't get a boost in mileage. These links are posted for information only; I don't imply endorsement in any way.
NEWS COVERAGE
Phoenix: http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb20080626jc-phoenix_water-to-gas.4126c351.html

San Antonio: (previously posted in another forum) http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/kens5/iteam/stories/MYSA052008.gas.saver.KENS.131e4416.html

Tampa: http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080629/COLUMNIST17/806290437/-1/newssitemap

St. Lucie County FL Sheriff installed hydrogen generator in police cruiser test: http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/jun/13/gas-gadget-may-help-save/?feedback=1

Alexandria, LA: Ford dealer to about to start installing them -- http://www.kalb.com/index.php/news/article/video-hydrogen-generator-boosts-gas-mileage/8883/#

DEALER'S WEB SITES OR INFORMATION DOCUMENTS

http://www.htgsystems.com/

PDF file that states he guarantees the installation: http://www.htgsystems.com/HSFS.pdf

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#521343 - 07/05/08 11:35 AM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Reatta Man]
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This system is being looked at by a reputable shop here in Panama City, Florida:
http://www.masterautotech.com/

Here is the system he is looking at and is keeping listeners updated on his weekly radio show:
http://www.preignitioncc.com/able41/index.htm

Everyone I've spoken to in the auto repair biz is saying the same thing; it sounds too good to be true, but on the other hand, they sure hope someone has figured out a way to make this work.

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#521390 - 07/05/08 02:42 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Reatta Man]
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Buy it! And tell me if it works! That sounds pretty cool!
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#521392 - 07/05/08 02:48 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: 1948Lincoln]
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Wes,

I'm going to do just that! As soon as I return to Texas in a couple of weeks, I will have it installed on my 2000 Buick Ultra or my '99 Olds Intrigue. I've sent my contact info to the company that makes this product.

I want to have it installed at a dealer close to home for two reasons; there is no freeway or interstate highway close to Panama City, Florida, so I can't get a good highway reading. Also, if it needs to be 'tweaked' I will be near the dealer that installed it.

I will let you know what I find out.

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#522817 - 07/11/08 02:10 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Reatta Man]
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Just saw this in today's Panama City, Fl. News Herald. It isn't on their public Web site yet, so I will cut and paste the article. These newspapers tend to charge you to read a story after a few days, so I will post the text here.

I love one of the last lines in the article; "A request for comment from the Association of International Automakers was declined."

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Arch...&p_docnum=1

Florida company working on gas-saving devices

By Greg Martin Charlotte Sun

PORT CHARLOTTE
A local entrepreneur is about to begin marketing hydrogen-assisted fuel system kits manufacturers say could turn even gasguzzling American cars into vehicles that get as many as 70 miles per gallon.
It’s the fuel system the big oil companies don’t want the motoring public to know about, said Pascal Schreier, founder of EcoGaniCo, a Port Charlotte company that also markets small electric vehicles.
There’s only one problem: The technology works in theory, but making it work in ordinary cars has proven tricky, Schreier said. And he doesn’t want to start selling the kits until he can provide assurance they will perform as intended.
Now, Schreier thinks he has the solution. He’s teamed up with a hydro-fuel system technician, Stefan Reindl of California, to offer seminars here. The goal is to train mechanics from across the state on how to tune the modified fuel systems.
Schreier and Reindl held their first seminar June 27-29. Nine mechanics from as far away as North Carolina participated, Schreier said. They worked on tuning cars at Schreier’s garage.
Schreier plans to bring Reindl back each month to continue training programs.
To tune the vehicles, Reindl hooks up a laptop computer that reads various parameters of the engine’s performance. It measures the mixture of air and fuel and engine temperature.
Using a voltmeter, Reindl then installs resistors and other devices that alter the electronic signals from the vehicle’s computer. He keeps tinkering until the computer tells him the fuel mixture is optimum.
“Right now, there’s a big failure rate (with the hydro systems),” Schreier said. “But we’re right there, close to solving it.”
Schreier said he equipped his family’s Jeep Wrangler with one of the systems a few months ago. Its performance declined. He said the fuel economy dropped from 18 miles per gallon to only 12 mpg.
The system wasn’t delivering the appropriate mixture of air and gasoline to the engine, and the device’s draw on the electrical system, which amounts to about 15 amps, was dragging down the performance, he said.
That’s because in ordinary cars, the automakers have preprogrammed the vehicles’ computers to adjust the air/fuel ratio automatically so it amounts to about 14.7 parts air to 1 part gasoline, Reindl said.
The hydrogen fuel system enriches the fuel to the point a car engine will run on a mixture of more than 20 parts of air to 1 part gasoline, he said.
The trick is to modify the vehicles so their computers will let them run on the leaner mixture, Reindl said.
The system zaps water with electricity in a device similar to a battery to generate hydrogen and oxygen. The water must be replenished periodically.
The enriched fuel then is fed through another device that uses magnets to ionize the fuel molecules. That reduces their size by some 100 times, from 300 nanograms to 3 nanograms, Reindl said. And that makes the fuel more combustible, he said.
In theory, that reduces the amount of gasoline needed to run the car. It also reduces emissions to the point water is the primary emission, he said.
At least one other Port Charlotte mechanic who is not connected to Schreier or Reindl believes hydrogen-assist fuel systems offer the key alternative to exorbitant fuel costs and excessive emissions.
Gregg Marrapodi of Gregg’s Automotive Repair Center in Punta Gorda said he participated in EcoGaniCo’s seminar in late June in hopes of learning how to tune the kits.
“Well, they do work,” he said. “It’s just, each vehicle is different. It’s not as ‘plug and play’ as people want to believe.”
Marrapodi said he’s installed a kit in his 2007 Tundra pickup. The device boosted mileage from 16 mpg to 30 mpg, until the truck reached 55 mph, at which point the fuel efficiency dropped back down, he said.
“That wasn’t satisfactory,” he said. “I think we were having problems with some of the components that were delivered.”
Schreier said the public has shown keen interest in his company’s electric car products. But, the fuel system seems more marketable, he said.
“It seems hard to sell someone a $12,000 (electric) car when we have all these gaspowered cars that just need help,” he said.
Reindl said he has 25 years experience in automotive engineering. He is currently working to develop a computer that could be installed with the kits to automatically adjust the fuel system.

He said he's not worried that other companies will beat him to the breakthrough.

"The retrofit market is $169 billion," he said, referring to value of the units that could be placed in cars already on the roads. "So, why would I worry?"

A request for comment from the American Petroleum Institute was not answered Friday. A request for comment from the Association of International Automakers was declined.

For more information, call Schreier at 941-628-6000 or visit www.EcoGaniCo.com.
Copyright (c) 2008, Charlotte Sun
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#522832 - 07/11/08 03:38 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Reatta Man]
Matt Harwood Offline
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Loc: Cleveland, OH
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...another device that uses magnets to ionize the fuel molecules. That reduces their size by some 100 times, from 300 nanograms to 3 nanograms, Reindl said. And that makes the fuel more combustible, he said.

OK, now I'm really calling BS. How does one use a magnet to make fuel molecules smaller? How does one use anything to make fuel molecules smaller? By definition, a molecule is as small as a substance can be without being reduced to its elements. Has this guy invented a shrink ray, too? Is the gas in Florida chunky because of clumps of fuel molecules sticking together?

Instead, I recommend buying the magnets that do this when you clamp them to your fuel line. It's only $2.99 for the same miracle device that works on any car. Someone report back on the results...

Using resistors to modify the engine management system sounds like a good idea, too.

/runs out to buy stock in head gasket manufacturers.
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#522841 - 07/11/08 04:09 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Matt Harwood]
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Hay guys dont wast yur money on no stuped hydragin thing. I got tired of hi gas precs so i envented a envention to git good milege. Dont tell da oil cumpanies abote this cause they dunt no how to do it and they wil kil me. whut i do is confuse the gas mulacules wit cusmic raise with a speciul envention i made. it uses a spesual elictracal thing i hook to the gas tanc that maks the gas atums go reel fast and den you git reel good milige. U wood never no it but im knot a perfesser or nothin lik those guys at da oil cumpinies. i jist envented it in mi garage. send me sum moni an i wiil tell u everthin.

PS. remimber don tell the oil cumpaies caus i dont wan to be ded.
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#522846 - 07/11/08 04:29 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Matt Harwood]
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OK, now I'm really calling BS.

Why, Matt. If after everything factual that's been posted just here on these things hasn't made people give up on them, why not just let them live their fantasies? It's not your money.

Busting up molecules with magnetic waves makes as much sense as any of the other things this stuff is supposed to do for you. If this level of insight to how things work on the part of the people selling them doesn't speak to a person, how are you supposed to?
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#522859 - 07/11/08 05:16 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Matt Harwood]
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They don't work!? Oh, man...

What would happen if the same skepticism was used toward APG... the mind boggles.

Have a great weekend!

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#522860 - 07/11/08 05:19 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Dave@Moon]
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In my never ending quest to play devils advocate, I have a couple of comments on the article. Reading the article makes me even more skeptical than before.
First of all, it seems strange to be marketing , and giving instructional seminars for a product that is admittedly not yet proven. Maybe it's the $1250. dollars he charges for the course has something to do with it??
The article is premature, at best, but newspapers will print anything they think may have some interest value, and with gas prices where they are, people want to read about miracles.. Until a proven model is on the market, it makes no sense to even discuss it. .
I looked at Pascal Schreier web site.
http://www.ecoganico.com/Company.swf
In addition to this miracle devise, he sells a fuel enhancer to do the same thing, along with bridges, Real Estate, boat bumpers, electric cars, pretty much anything you want, he sells.
If you google the name Pascal Schreier , it comes up to a guy in Florida with the same name, that is closely associated to the principal bad guys behind 911, as in teaching them to fly. I can't guarantee it the same Pascal Schreier, I couldn't definitely connect the two, but both live in Florida, and have strong backgrounds in aviation.

Excerpt from the article..
"Three of the addresses on the Terrorist Watch List for suspected terrorist pilot Mohammed Arara also lead back to a mysterious German national, who we have until now identified as Pascal Schreier, 32, and his wife, Sandra Hamouda, a French-Tunisian woman who took over a flight school at Charlotte County Airport when it went bankrupt in February 2001, stranding dozens of foreign flight students, most of them, curiously, Moroccan or Tunisian. Terror suspect Arara’s listed addresses include 514 El Vernona Ave in Sarasota FL; 1670 Via Bianca in Punta Gorda FL; and 117 Mooney Ave., also in Punta Gorda FL. "

The whole article if you wish to read it. http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6412004.html
It may not be the same guy at all, but would sure make me want to do a little more investigating before plunking down my dollars.....
The google search for the "Engineer from California" mentioned in the article comes back to a guy who is selling a very expensive course to learn how to tune and operate this device which they admit isn't successful.
As far as the last line "A request for comment from the Association of International Automakers was declined."
Why would they comment on something they know to be complete folly..? Believe me, these stories are as old as the automobile, no one in the know will waste time commenting on them. Doing so got old years ago.

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#522903 - 07/11/08 07:36 PM Re: Hydrogen generator dealers and news media coverage [Re: Donn2390]
Reatta Man Offline
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Registered: 09/25/00
Posts: 1954
Loc: San Antonio, TX USA
Guys,

I'm not convinced it works or has been perfected, but I think you missed an important point.

If this guy is showing this proceedure or technology to other mechanics, it is probably the best way, outside of a lab, to prove it true or false once and for all.

If he can make it work and the other mechanics agree that it really does work who cares what it uses? If it doesn't work, he will be exposed as a fraud. And, knowing mechanics, they will probably beat the crap out of him for wasting their time, on top of exposing him.....

Joe
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