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#509532 - 05/13/08 09:52 PM need some help
austincar6 Offline
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Registered: 03/09/08
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Loc: Kansas
I need some help. I priciest some parts Model A, in the parts where two engines. I was wondering if anyone could tail me what year they are. The block numbers are, *A2754006 and 14869535. The last owner said that they are out of combines. The other question I had is there any big difference car and the combines engine other that carb. set up?
Thanks Austin

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#509535 - 05/13/08 09:58 PM Re: need some help [Re: austincar6]
MCHinson Offline
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A2754006 = January 1930

A14869535 = (Seems to have one too many numbers to be a valid Model A Engine Number) Can you double check the number?

I know nothing about differences between combine engines and car engines.
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#509632 - 05/14/08 09:58 AM Re: need some help [Re: MCHinson]
austincar6 Offline
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I look today and see what that # is.

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#509700 - 05/14/08 01:53 PM Re: need some help [Re: austincar6]
austincar6 Offline
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The right block # is 4369535. Is they any differences in the combine engines and the car engines?

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#509782 - 05/14/08 08:36 PM Re: need some help [Re: austincar6]
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Engines out of combines and pumps tend to be lower mileage and in better shape internally. That is if they spent their whole life in that position.

They tend to be more desirable when they do not have any number stamped on the boss. It is not hard to clear the existing number and stamp in the one on your title. Just never admit stamping the engine to the people at the DMV as some get funny about that.

Now the big but......

You have to get the engines cheap unless they are apart and you can verify they are usable. I consider an engine that is together to be scrap metal. You have to be able to look for cracks and make sure it is not plumb wore out. You also have to consider that A engines are plentyful. Even if you think you have only every seen a few of them. The last four I got were left in my driveway by an unknown person just wanting to get rid of them. I just put them with the other 30.

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#509808 - 05/14/08 09:40 PM Re: need some help [Re: A by the sea]
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Austincar6, 4369535 = February 1931

A by the sea, 34 spare engines? Wow, I feel better about the 2 spare engines taking up space in the back of my garage now. Where are you located? One day I have to see your spare parts collection... grin

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#509846 - 05/15/08 12:54 AM Re: need some help [Re: MCHinson]
austincar6 Offline
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Loc: Kansas
Thanks for the help. The engines look like they are in good condition, A by the sea.
I have been around the old A's all my life. I am college student at McPherson College, Yes I am in the Auto restoration program.
I just finally found there right deal at the right time. I just parches alot of parts form a guy that was gitting out of Model A's.Right now I have to may part and would like to sale some. The rest will be useing to make a pried speester.


Edited by austincar6 (05/15/08 12:56 AM)

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#510762 - 05/19/08 02:27 PM Re: need some help [Re: austincar6]
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I have a 1930 Model A with a combine engine in it. The previous motor was bored-out too much, and my grandfather just replaced it with one of several combine engines that were handy. A Model A engine rebuilder I know told me that the A engines used in combines have a somewhat hotter cam.

The background of this is that in Hutchinson, Kansas, where we lived; my grandfather and great-grandfather were implement dealers for many years. They sometimes dealt in Baldwin-Gleaner pull-type combines, built just 11 miles away in Nickerson. The Gleaners were built for a long time w/ Model T engines. I don't know if they ever switched to A engines when the "T" went out of production or not, but when I went to the big museum in Minden, Nebraska ( Pioneer Village ) recently, I saw that one of these Gleaners in their collection had an A engine, & one had a T engine.

Maybe the antique auto restoration program at McPherson College includes some visits to this big museum. If they don't, they "auta"!. They have something on the order of 300 cars & trucks and 100 tractors there. I've read on one of the Model A websites that there was a kind of industrial engine nearly identical to the Ford A motor called a Diamond...but don't know much about it or if it was used in ag applications. Hope this helps!
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#510899 - 05/19/08 10:49 PM Re: need some help [Re: jeff_a]
A by the sea Offline
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I do not know the details, but I think the combine engines were built later and are likely to have the B cams in them.

A B cam is a simple way to gain HP without really changing the way the engine runs.

As for my engines..

My father and brother were going to go in to rebuilding A engines. My father bought up all the KRW tooling and well stock to start from. They never went into business, but we have the engines and tooling. Actually my brother picked up a Kwik Way line bore more recently, but the KRW tooling is a big help. The fun part is finding out how to properly pour the babbitt. Lots of bad or wrong information and it was worse before the internet.

As for the numbers. The second number does not have an A in front of it so you either left it out or it does not have one. The original Model A engine number will have a star then A and a number and a star.

I am not trying to pick on you, but since you are learning how to restore a car I feel that knowing the vin of a car is the first thing you need to know about a car. You always need to know if you are working on a correct legal car and the vin is the starting point.








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#511116 - 05/20/08 08:31 PM Re: need some help [Re: A by the sea]
austincar6 Offline
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Registered: 03/09/08
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Loc: Kansas
I do agree about the vin. There are very important in ideating car of the motor that are in them. There is A on the block in hard to read but there is one there.
Thanks for all the useful info.

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