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#487585 - 02/15/08 04:19 PM synthetic motor oil or not?
50super Offline
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Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 14
Hope this subject hasn't been beaten to death on this forum but was looking for some input on whether or not anyone is using syth in their straight 8's. I use it in all my vehicles from the Roadstar to the Buick to my lawn mowers. Also, I've never owned a Dynaflow tranny vehicle before. Is it typical of these to have somewhat of a slight "whine" to them or is mine gonna blow? Thanks! David

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#487761 - 02/16/08 12:53 PM Re: synthetic motor oil or not? [Re: 50super]
Jim_Cannon Offline
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Registered: 08/25/06
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Loc: Spring, TX
Originally Posted By: 50super
Hope this subject hasn't been beaten to death on this forum but was looking for some input on whether or not anyone is using syth in their straight 8's. I use it in all my vehicles from the Roadstar to the Buick to my lawn mowers. Also, I've never owned a Dynaflow tranny vehicle before. Is it typical of these to have somewhat of a slight "whine" to them or is mine gonna blow? Thanks! David


David-

I, like you, use synthetic in all my modern cars. I don't use it in my antiques because I like to change the oil every 6 months and I don't put enough miles on them in that time to justify the added cost of synthetic. You can, but it adds to cost.

If you want to use synthetic, a lot of guys are concerned about having the right ZDDP level in the oil. The latest oil spec (API SM), being followed in most synthetic oils for gas engines, has the ZDDP at 800 ppm. (Mobil 1 has one oil at 1200 and one at 1300.) Some oils for diesel engines used to be up at about 1200 to 1600 (not sure of exactly how high they went) but they are under pressure to reduce it also and have not been good about telling us when they lower it.

Here is some discussion about zinc (ZDDP) in oil by the Mobil 1 guys:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Zinc_Motor_Oils.aspx

They include a link to a table with the zinc levels in all their synthetic oils. You have to call them to ask them about the zinc levels in their conventional oils.

The Dynaflow should not whine except (maybe) for a few minutes when very cold. Check fluid level while running, hot, make sure it is filled to proper level. You could try changing the fluid in it, see if that changes noise. If you keep driving it will not "blow", I think it will just start slipping really bad.
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#487915 - 02/17/08 11:10 AM Re: synthetic motor oil or not? [Re: Jim_Cannon]
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Registered: 12/09/99
Posts: 2810
Loc: DFW, TX
In any automotive lubricant, there can be consideration of cost/effectiveness issues.

I suspect that ANY dino oil, at least up to the SL rating, is far superior than even the best oil from the late 1960s and early 1970s (when additive package technology and viscosity improver technology began to allow for the "super oils" which were in the 10W-50 and 20W-50 viscosity ratings, up from the prior "ceiling" of 10W-30 and 10W-40).

In those days, the "Motor Severe" (or MS) rating was the highest API rating. In the 1980s, other oil rating groups in Europe and Japan came out with rating methods which affect THEIR engine technologies, too. And THEN things got a little tricky to decipher and really know what's going on . . . whic brings us up to more recent/current times.

From the many postings on www.bobistheoilguy.com forums, it appears that "GF-4" is "the evil rating" which has resulted in the decreased zinc levels, although most every "SM" oil also meets "GF-4" ratings. GF-4 is typically a gasoline engine rating and not a diesel engine rating.

The latest diesel (designed-for) oils are also "SM", but don't have to be concerned with the "GF-series" ratings/approvals. Previously, these same diesel oils were "SL" oils.

Around the time of the Buick Centennial Meet in Flint, there were comments about use of synthetic oils in vintage vehicles. Many reported no problems of any kind, including issues related to oil consumption.

Initially, synthetic oils were mainly used in climates with really cold temperatures (including Antartica and similar) where the engines could not be turned off once running (or the oil would congeal at the lower temperature), so they were more "application/environment specific" in nature. There were only a hand-full of companies that made synthetic oil for the masses back then . . . which changed in the early '70s with the Mobil1 product.

We knew of the advantages of synthetic oil in extreme applications, but expense usually didn't justify it for everybody. As things have progressed, there are still advantages over dino oils, but the quality of dino oils has increased markedly in that same time (usually driven by OEM specs of vehicle manufacturers).

As the original issues of reduced zinc levels (and responses from cam manufacturers, as Competition Cams) happened a few years ago, much of the information still out on the Internet is somewhat dated. The orig recommendation by CompCams was to use either Rotella T (diesel-spec oil) or synthetic oil. Now that Comp and other cam manufacturers now have their own lines of oil additives to address the lower zinc level issue, you'll probably find different recommendations on their websites now.

Be that as it may . . .

I know of people who have and are using Mobil 1 with 3000 mile change intervals. If they can afford that (and the newer cars it's going into), fine with me . . . their money, not mine. Still, seeking out an "SL" and "non GF-4" oil can be a little tricky.

Lately, I've been looking at the Volkswagen diesel forums for oil issues. VW has their own approvals for motor oils, as Mercedes and BMW also have. The 5W-40 VW-spec synthetic oil is "SL" rated and not GF-4 rated, for example . . . and is available at VW dealers and in Castrol SynTech. Just something I found out about, or rediscovered. This particular oil is "European oil" and imported into the USA.

Still, judgment calls are necessary. Thanks to Jim for posting the Mobil oil information link!

Enjoy!
NTX5467

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#488189 - 02/18/08 12:03 PM Re: synthetic motor oil or not? [Re: Jim_Cannon]
50super Offline
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Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 14
Thanks, Jim, for your reply.
I did check the tranny fluid and it was up to the normal level and didn't look dark or smell burnt. My other thought was to check the rear end and make sure there is enough lube there. The whine seems to be coming more from the front..but I suppose it could be trickin' me. I took it up to the Canadian border this past weekend and it ran like a charm the entire way..just has that whine..but only when driving on a slight incline.

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#488235 - 02/18/08 03:06 PM Re: synthetic motor oil or not? [Re: 50super]
old-tank Offline
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Registered: 12/29/99
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Loc: Seguin, TX, USA
The early dynaflows had a characteristic whine that is hard to describe. Put that together with manifold noise and exhaust note of the straight 8 you should be able to tell that it is a Buick when riding in or driving by even if blindfolded. All 3 of my 55's have a slight whine from the rear at ~50mph constant speed that is not present if accelerating or decelerating thru that range.
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#488459 - 02/19/08 12:36 PM Re: synthetic motor oil or not? [Re: old-tank]
50super Offline
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Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 14
Thanks for the input, Tank.
That is kind of what I was thinking...that the noise is just a trademark of an early Dyanflow. Still not sure, but being that I've driven this car over 3K now and there doesn't seem to be any decline in the performance of the tranny..and the fluid is clean and up to the full mark. Seems all these old cars have their own way of expressing themselves. Still...the Dynaflow doesn't whine as much as my wife does.

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#488704 - 02/20/08 10:57 AM Re: synthetic motor oil or not? [Re: 50super]
DaveCorbin Offline
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Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 666
Loc: Texas
Dear 50Super:
We promise not to tell HER!
Regards, Dave Corbin

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#488774 - 02/20/08 03:38 PM Re: synthetic motor oil or not? [Re: DaveCorbin]
50super Offline
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Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 14
Originally Posted By: DaveCorbin
Dear 50Super:
We promise not to tell HER!
Regards, Dave Corbin


Go ahead, Dave...you can tell her. Why be different than half the guys on the motorcycle forum?

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