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#472807 - 12/18/07 02:32 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: West Peterson]
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When trying to find some (I call them 'Bowties') for the 645's bumpers, I also discovered how many different ones there are. The differences are very slight, usually you can't tell the difference until you put them next to each other.
So, I found 2 that matched and put them on the back and another 2 that matched and put them on the front. No one will ever notice, since they are so similar, but not the quite the same.
I'm starting to think some are different because they are from different Production Runs, instead of only being different year models.
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#472813 - 12/18/07 02:45 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Speedster]
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West, this one is especially for you...B grin crazy

1934 1104 Super 8...7 passenger


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#472816 - 12/18/07 02:54 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Packard32]
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Hey, It Needs Tripp-lights and a Big Trunk!!! laugh
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#472837 - 12/18/07 03:36 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Speedster]
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That car would be stunning if the fenders were painted the same color as the body. That's a cool shade of red, in fact, almost brown. I wouldn't be against adding some trim trings on the wheels.

Interesting that the "touring" bodies kept the old-fashioned carriage-type door handles. There's a 1933 touring in Dayton's Packard museum that is the same. Someone told me that the bodies were actually carried over (or the same as) previous years (1929?). ??? Don't know 'bout that, but would like to know more.


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#472841 - 12/18/07 03:42 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: West Peterson]
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Packard touring bodies and pheaton bodies are the same 1931 thru 1934, all series. Differences in trim, fenders, etc but the basic body shells are identical as are the top irons and bows with the exception of '31 when the top was 1 inch or so higher.
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#472857 - 12/18/07 04:48 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Restorer32]
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Two more.


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#472868 - 12/18/07 05:19 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: 1935Packard]
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Poor misguided souls!!!!!...B
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#472869 - 12/18/07 05:21 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Packard32]
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Speedy, I tried to find one with trippes and a BIG trunk,, but didn't have any luck...dangit!!...B
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#472979 - 12/19/07 12:40 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Speedster]
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I scaned thru my pics of '31s and my favorite colors are this one: (it needs a cover over the trunk to match top, tho)


That is the sidemount style I'm adding to my 32. As you know I already have the thread cover, so I'm very interested in how the side wheel cover will look. I think it will give a more complete look to the car.

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#472980 - 12/19/07 12:45 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: West Peterson]
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That car would be stunning if the fenders were painted the same color as the body. That's a cool shade of red, in fact, almost brown. I wouldn't be against adding some trim trings on the wheels.

Interesting that the "touring" bodies kept the old-fashioned carriage-type door handles. There's a 1933 touring in Dayton's Packard museum that is the same. Someone told me that the bodies were actually carried over (or the same as) previous years (1929?). ??? Don't know 'bout that, but would like to know more.


This car was for sale by Steve Snyder of Vault cars. I thought the car which I saw in person was pretty nice.

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#472982 - 12/19/07 12:55 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: 1956Packard]
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I for one find this thread to be very interesting. I'd love to see more photos of 'proper' cars and improper.


BTW. 'Circus wagon' or not, if someone offered to give me the car......

Geoff

Look here on the packards of Oregon website. Photos I took at the PI 2007 International meet.

Also here are pictures of other meets here and here and here

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#472984 - 12/19/07 01:01 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: West Peterson]
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I even had Ken thinking about black tires for a little while.)


Yes but they would have clashed with the green metallic flake engine paint I decided to go with smile


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#472997 - 12/19/07 04:46 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: tbirdman]
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tbird, I certainly hope you're going to do that green metallic flake engine with orange pinstripes!!!...B
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#473045 - 12/19/07 10:56 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Packard32]
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tbird, I certainly hope you're going to do that green metallic flake engine with orange pinstripes!!!...B


No, I don't think orange pinstripes would meet the approval of West smile

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#473060 - 12/19/07 12:06 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: tbirdman]
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only if they're VERY wide!!! hahhahaaaa..B
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#473206 - 12/20/07 12:54 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Packard32]
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G'day all, I generally agree that Packards should be painted their original colours during restoration however, sometimes we have to experiment to find out what we really like, or we are unskilled in choosing appropriate colours. I have a 533 which I purchased in 1974 to part out. I decided instead to leave the interior as I found it ( very original but a few repairs here and there in 1955), and repaint the exterior from black. I had a 733 Showroom Brochure and decided to paint the car in those colours, blissfully unaware as a 25 yo that they were not Packard colours available, but a sort of promo. It gets called "the Candy Car" and probably other names, but at least I keep her on the road and she shows a clean set of heels to quite a few equivalent cars of that era. I am attaching a copy of the showroom brochure. I suppose that I am really seeking a bit of understanding in paint choices. At least the car doesn't have a Chev small block and supercharger and Jag rear end "not that there is anything wrong with that - of course" Best regards Peter Toet P.S. I don't have a HTML for the photos so I shall have to find some other way of posting them.


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#473207 - 12/20/07 01:09 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: peter packard]
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Peter,

I like your choices of keeping the car mostly original. I wonder who has gone to the extent of me by using only cadmium fasteners as was correct for a 32 car. Of course then I could be taken to task for making my engine compartment over-restored as I have used more than a 1/2 cup of green paint.






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#473211 - 12/20/07 01:20 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: tbirdman]
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I would imagine that they could not be so pedantic as to pick anyone to that extent. I have resigned myself to accept that I am not a Restorer, but a Collector. I recall putting my 1938 Six into a concours in 1975 and was picked on having tatty window fittings ( not the runners but the horizontal fittings where the window passes into the door). My friend in a 120 had removed his and puttied up the holes. He lost no points. I have had a few incidents where restorers remove items and leave them out if new ones are unavailable. I no longer participate in Concours but admire those who achieve the standard necessary to achieve success in them. Best regards Peter Toet

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#473215 - 12/20/07 01:43 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: peter packard]
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On the subject of 32 Packards, you have just reminded me to chase up a very low milage but much bastardised 32 Super Eight, which used to reside( in pieces) about 400 yards from my office. This car came into Australia as a 32 Super Eight Coupe and was converted when new by Flood Bodyworks to a hearse. It was sold by the Undertakers (Tobin Brothers) in the Fifties and was fitted with a roll cage inside a circa '35 Willys Coupe body, (pimple on a pumpkin stuff). Fortunately the car was never stock car raced and it ended up at this fellows place. He had late twenties Supercharged front wheel drive Alvis's and this Packard. I went up to his place when he was moving to Melbourne in 1979 and he offered me the Packard with two sets of wire wheels for $1,000. The Chassis was unmolested, the body was nov-existent, the wire wheels were good but I already had a few sets of early Packard wires. I declined and have never heard of anyone having the beast. I shall chase this one up. It's an ill wind, etc, etc, Best regards Peter Toet

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#473216 - 12/20/07 01:44 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: peter packard]
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Peter,

Yes, but if someone is that stongly adversed to white walls or chrome wheels as an example because even though they were not the norm when the car was built, but were available and corect if used, then why shouldn't the same people be held accountable for using stainless or zinc fasteners that are totally incorrect and were not used. when the car was built? So are fasteners not as important to keeping originality than things like wheels and trippe lights? Where do we draw the line? I live in a glass house so be careful smile I'm making things probably look better than they were originally but I'm also making an attempt to recreate the original fastners. Or am I wasting my eforts since I'll probablly will enter very few judged concours shows and why worry about fasteners. From what I have seen Concours seemed to be based on quality and not acuracy. And I'm not aiming this post at anyone in particular though West may feel I aiming towards him smile

I feel sometime people (and I'm guilty of this) choose the stance that resembles their current position.

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#473218 - 12/20/07 02:04 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: tbirdman]
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G'day tbirdman, You are just trying to do what you consider is correct for the car. It would be handy to have a degree in Psychology in these forums to assist us in the "between the lines" stuff. There is nothing worse that trying very hard to achieve perfection and having it thrown back into your face. I probably prefer original cars and bikes because no-one picks things on them. My wife and I have about 50 motorbikes and a dozen Packards, we like driving and riding them, not because they are pristine, but because they are fun. I cannot advise you adequately on the fasteners, except to say that if they are plainly in view and subject to a decision on originality, then they will be scrutinised and marked accordingly. It is no different to if the Local Sheriff (we do still have constables over here, but we call them Sir). Their duty is to find some fault, after which they are satisfied, most times it is an advisory if you pass the attitude test. Concours depends on the individual marking the area and his/her intrepretation of the guidelines. Good luck with your 32, your heart appears to be in the right place. Peter Toet


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#473240 - 12/20/07 08:57 AM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: peter packard]
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I don't admonish white sidewall tires because they weren't the "norm." I just don't like the looks of them on many cars. I, in no way am trying to say that an owner can't do what they want with their car, weather it has to do with color, fasteners, or accessories. I know you know that I'm usually just kidding with a lot of my preference statements, but some people may not realize it.

Peter
I admire you for your taste in cars, and recognize that things were very much different back in the 1950s when these cars were shunned by the masses and not a lot of good information was available. I think our "slamming" of poor choice of colors is aimed more at recently done "botched" jobs.
I hope you can find that 1932 Super Eight chassis. Keep us informed.
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#473288 - 12/20/07 12:24 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Packin31]
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I think this topic is nearly exhausted. Let me just say that ALMOST ALWAYS you can't pick better color combinations that the Packard art and color professionals selected when the cars were new.

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#473339 - 12/20/07 05:31 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: West Peterson]
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Re whitewall tires. Some classics needed whitewalls. I once owned a 33 Rolls-Royce Phantom II limousine which came from the U.S. bodybuilder with six double-sided whitewall tires by U.S. Royal. Since the car was painted black, had it had blackwalls it would have looked like a hearse.`

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#473341 - 12/20/07 06:02 PM Re: Packard Exterior Color [Re: Charles Neuhaus]
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Ok... back on topic guys....

Here's a 1932 904 Super 8 Stationary coupe with a Dietrich body.

I think the colors are original Packard for 1932, but used in a different combination. I think the green is Riverhead green and the body is Aztec Olivine light.
Equipped with the single, movable driving light.
Look at the person in the rumble seat... must be cold there!!


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