I saw a few things that made me scratch my head, when the results were posted for Hershey this year.

a 1st Jr. with Halogen headlights & an electronic ignition system.
another with after market performance parts...era correct, but "not from the factory"
a 2nd Jr. car that had very noticeable body issues...severe bubbling and inner fender repairs that were very blatant with the hood up.

anyone else see some "eye poppers" when the results came out?

32 im not surer I would use the word misconduct,that may be a little strong. Over use of power yes nit picking yes. I will except part of the blame.I was upset. I drove close to400 miles in a vary short time and then sit in line for over 1 and 1/2 hr. only to have my car overheat and stall a hundred yds. from my class. I was upsit and let the capt. know it,you will never convince me that this did not make him and team look a little harder. One LAST point, my sheet shows a deduction for side marker lite. I have a 65 Skylark gs. my step son has the same car differant color, my neph. also has the same year & make I have looked at all three cars and can not locate a side marker on any of the 3. Can some one help me locate it???

I agree with MCHinson, don't give up on the judging system due to your experiance at Hershey. As already pointed out there were enough problems there. Try another national meet and see how you make out. To be honest, personally I think anyone taking a car to Hershey looking for anything other than a preservation awards is nuts. Why take the car to a show that most likely will have more cars in your class than any other show, plus a higher car to judge ratio and having to deal with the crowd of people. I'd much rather take a car to a national meet like the one in Binghamton (which I did - HPOF car) or else where than to take one to Hershey (which I didn't and never will).

BTW, enojoyed the Binghamton Meet.

As for the side marker light, any chance it could be part of a turnsignal light? I don't know the car well enough to remember all the lights, but there should be a red and amber light visable at night from the side opf the car and this may be what they were looking at. Like on my '95 Dodge pickup, the front "side marker" is actually built into the side of the headlight assembly.

Come to think of it, the '65 Chevy IIs don't have lights you can see from the side. Just grabbed my judge's book. That is

Light:
. Side / Parking

Maybe it was the parking light and not the side marker. There would not be an indecation on your scoresheet as to which it was taken off for. So the VP of class judgign wouldn't know which area to marker there. And you do have parking lights in the front bumper.

windjamer, I wish that I had known you were going to be at Hershey. I would have liked to meet you.

novaman is correct about the Team Captain certification program. My advice to you is to write to/send an e-mail to Hulon McCraw (he is in charge of the T.C. program) and explain to him how you were treated by the Team Captain for your class.

At each show field judges are given a form to fill out about how they felt the Team Captain did. Those forms will help decide who makes it as a Certified Team Captain and who doesn't.

But owners should also report on Team Captains that they feel have done a good job or a bad job.

Please bring your car to another AACA show and give another Team Captain a chance to show you how it should be done.

And since the long, slow lines were not your fault it was correct, in my opinion, for your car to be judged where it sat after overheating. While waiting in line at Administration to hand in the judging sheets for the class we judged, I overheard Dave Berg mention that a car had overheated. I had no idea until now that it was your car.

Susan please believe me, I was not the only car to overheat.There was a beutiful red t/bird that stoped almost in the same spot as mine. Im not sure but I think he may have blown a hose or evan a raditor.Mine blew the t/stat gasket and made a mess of my engine compartment,but I dont think any serious damage was done. I do plan to stay in the judging system, will I enter a car again? I dont know. I had hoped to take her chevelle to fla. for the gran. nat duel meet, that would give her the 10th. pres. award. She says to he-- with it its 5mo. away guess we will see. Hope to meet you down the road Dick.

So you're saying that we're nuts huh David?? Over the last 6 meets at Hershey, we've taken two First Juniors, a Senior, and five Preservation Awards at Hershey. I will say that we've had our toughest competition at Hershey, but a win at Hershey is as sweet as the chocolate. When someone sees the trophies in our trophy case, Johnstown, Purchase, Carlisle, Metropolis, Hagerstown, Greensburg, and Binghamton are all names, but HERSHEY is HERSHEY and when they see Hershey, everyone knows that show. I think we've had tougher competition at Hershey than what we've had at some of the AGNM's that we've been to, but a win at Hershey is still worth bragging rights over the other shows.

Dick, don't give up on the system. The Hershey Region knows that they screwed up, so give them a chance to make it right. I'm sure they'll fix it. Things don't always go right, but I'll give them credit for a group that keeps trying, there's no one that has found more rules in the Murphy's law book then those folks.

Also remember that in your case at Hershey, you kind of fell into a few situations.
1. The rulebook states that all cars must be driven onto the showfield.
2. The rulebook also states that anything that happens en route to a meet to a vehicle will not face a point deduction. This would include a cracked windshield, smashed fender, bullet hole, etc. In your case, your car boiled over before it made it onto the showfield, so if your car was judged, it shouldn't have faced any deductions for cleanliness in the engine area so long as it was anti-freeze rather than grease.
3. Also bear in mind that your vehicle was fully capable of making it onto the showfield had things not screwed up on behalf of the region.

Had I arrived onto the showfield later, I probably would've been in the same situation. The Ford factory coil that is on our fire truck works good for about 20 minutes and then the truck runs like junk and then quits. When the truck is being driven, we run a Napa voltage regulator that is higher intensity than the Ford factory voltage regulator. In our case we took the NAPA voltage regulator off of the truck and hooked the wires back into the factory voltage regulator because of it being judged. Had we spent more than 20 minutes in a situation like yours, we'd have been dead in the driveway too.

... yea .. at least nuttier than I. I think we all need to be a little nuts to be in this hobby, or at least it helps.

I understand it from your side and your right about it having bragging rights but my statement comes from and tied to your comment "I think we've had tougher competition at Hershey than what we've had at some of the AGNM's that we've been to" is why you'll never find me with a car at Hershey. Boils down to this, the awards aren't that important to me, WHY would I want to go through the headaches of the trailer parking, trying to get on the field, etc.? The only "award" I'm missing out on (and the most vaulable to me) is a dash plaque.

I'm not trying to belittle anyone that brings thier car to Hershey or the folks that put up with the headaches of hosting this meet every year. It's nice that these people do bring thier cars.

It's getting late and I'm starting to not make sense to myself..zzzzzz

No you're not belittling us. You've been to our shop and seen the cars, the hinged basement stairs, etc. so you KNOW we're nuts.

So what is that all about? Care to share a photo?

it's so you can get more cars in the basement.

Cool. Now I really do want to see a photo.

The cars are prolly all smashed up from sliding down the stairs.

No we don't roll our cars down the stairs. Both my dad's house and my house were built with walk out basements (we both designed and built our own houses), and we've even gone as far as to put overhead doors so we can drive cars in our basements. With a little maneuvering, I can get 5 cars in my basement, where as I speak right now, my dad has 7 cars in his basement. In order to get more cars in, we hinged his basement stairs so when we have to get another car in, we pull the railing out (it's in like a stake pocket type mounting), raise the steps up, put our designated "stair prop" under the stairs, and then roll cars either in or out. Once the process is done we remove the prop, set the stairs back down and put the railing back in.

The nice thing about the drive out basements is when the cable guy or the furnace man has to do any work at either house, they pull their trucks up to the garage door, roll their stuff in, and then roll their tools out when they're done. No stairs, no nothing, and it is a lot easier for them.

Yes David can call us nuts because he has firsthand knowledge of our (my dad and I) insanities, but the good thing about it is that David's girlfriend has met us too, so my dad and I have helped make David look normal in the eyes of his girlfriend.

Now every time Andrea tries to tell David that he's nuts, David can say "I'm not like those guys in New York, I'm normal."

Sounds like a great system.

You are probably right, by comparison, David would seem normal.

Yeah for a guy who once lived in Wayne County, he's a pretty good dude

Yeah, hard to believe he started out his life as a **gasp** Yankee.

God did make one mistake, I was born on the wrong side of the line. Born a southerner, just took me a little longer to get here.

Bill feels the very same way. The stork made the mistake of dropping him off in New Jersey rather than Virginia, where he later lived for several years and fell in love with that state. He would do backflips like NASCAR driver Carl Edwards if I would agree to move over the border.

Sorry, couldn't move away from our mountains.

Hint to anyone not from W. Va. We honestly don't care if you have relatives in Richmond. Read a geography book....please.

Susan, we have mountains in NC.... You guys could have mountains and still live in the South...

But see, we have MOUNTAINS and we already live in the south. (Well below the Mason-Dixon line at least.)

Ah yes, the Mason Dixon Line or as it's sometimes known locally "The Manson Nixon Line". Our shop is just 8 miles north of the M&D line so I can be in the South in about 10 minutes if I choose. Surprising cultural and language differences between here and Baltimore, just 45 miles South. Sorry, Balmer...I mispronounced

Hey Reb. lets open anouther can of worms. Lets say I judge class 27j There are ten cars in that class five atempting a first jr. Three of the cars score 380,one scores 369 and the last 359.Why cant I befor turning in the sheets go back to the 369 car and give him a chance to defend the deductions I took?? Ill look for an ans. tonight .I teach firearms safty and I have 50 rug rats wateing for me to start class.

Are you sure you don't ned to go back to the guy with 359 and let him defend his deductions too?

A) If there were enough points that he (even the 369 car)could defend and bring the score high enough to make the the 1st place, you would be talking about issues of something being either right or wrong. If that was the case, the judge taking the points should have been asking the team captain to ask the owner for documention or have given the owner the benefit of the doubt and already not taken a deduction. Therefore most of those points were for either something known to be incorrect or condition.

B) Maybe you need to go back and let the 380 cars defend thier deduction too. Maybe one of them should have been a 390 car. Now, you've judged that class twice, and if you're at Hershey or one of larger shows, you're now getting done in the middle of the afternoon.

C) The onwer might forget his firearm saftey training.

D) Why not simply give anyone who brings thier car a 1st Jr then you don't need to worry about the score, and everyone will feel all warm and fuzzy when they go home. Affter all, isn't that what we all want, everyone to be happy.

E) Forgot, the guy with the 400 point restoration is now POed because my P.O.S. that would score 360 or lower just got the same award as him and I didn't out any effort/$$ into my car. But that doesn't matter, as long as I'm happy becasue I got my 1st Jr.

You judge wj, you know the answer to that question.

Okay class, pay attention. "You never go back to a vehicle after you have finished judging it and put the JUDGED sticker on it."




Beware of rats with guns.