Since it looks like I may Not be able to find any usable 20" wood-wheel rims for the '29, Can anyone tell me what other years, will fit the '29 drums ?
Since the brake drums are 16" diameter, I would think any early '30s wheels with the same 8-lug pattern should work, Correct? What year did they change the lug-bolt pattern? With it setting 1/2" lower, with 19" wheels, I doubt anyone would notice. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Or was the center Hub-hole different sizes also? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Rick,

Since we can't post pictures when we PM. Here is a picture of the lug spacing.

Another shot sorry for shaky hand

Tom, Thanks for the Pics,
but you Really Burst My Bubble, I was afraid of that. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Only 7 lug bolt holes. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> So doesn't look like that Idea is going anywhere. I may have to have Chip Foose or Boyd Coddington Carve out some modern Aluminum Bling-Blings, to get this baby rolling. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Sorry didn't mean to burst it. I am normally don't do that. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I was on the phone with another Packard owner earlier this evening (he was very knowledgeable I must say) and ask him about your wheels. He said the bigger Packard?s have the 8-lug setup compared to the standard models. I hope I stated his words right.

Does, Anyone have any Ideas about How and Where I can find or have made, good rims for the wheels I have or a set of 6 of another type wheels, that will fit this '29 ??? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Rick,

I am not sure if this gentleman that I talked to tonight checks in here but would you like me to ask him your question?

Tom,
Sure, any help would be appreciated. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> So, in '31, some models used 7 lugs and some models used 8 lugs. Is that correct? That's what I was thinking since I have pictures of '30 and '31 Packards with what looks like 8 lugs, but wasn't sure? If so, then what I need to know is which models used 8 lugs? Was it the long-wheel-base Super-8s and 12s only? And I need to know what year they stopped using the 8 lug pattern completely?

Eric,
'29 Wheels are 8 on 8" spacing, with 3" between bolts and a 6 1/2" hub hole.
The Wheels on my 1 ton Chevy are 8 on 6 1/2", so there's no way they could be modified to fit. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> And I think about 18" is the minimum diameter at tire seat, to clear the brake-drums.

Speedster-you might blow in a call to Don Sommer=American Arrow. He makes NEW chrome wires, but they ain't cheap (quality never is). He might know of someone who just took the steel discs off of their cars (to put Don's happenin' wires on!). You could pick up on some discs.

Hi Rick,

This is the reply I got back from the other contact
"Last time I bothered to notice, there was still a wheelwright advertising in Antique Automobile; assuming your friend has the metal work, no doubt the wheel could be reconstructed. At least that's where I'd start. Sorry, no other thoughts on this one."

Hope this helps

Okay, Tom
Thanks for checking.

Rick,
I've found two good 20" wood wheels (8-lug). One has the lock ring, the other does not. How many wheels do you need?

Great, I need 2 wheels and one lock ring, so sounds like you have exactly what I need. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> See PM.

Any one know if Lock-rings for Disk or Wire-wheels will Fit Wood-wheels, for similar or same year (1929 mainly)?

Yes. They're the same. In fact, I've been told Dan Sommer (American Arrow) that ANY lock ring for a 20-inch wheel should be the same for all brands. There are only two types of lock rings, and he thought that there was only one for the 20-inch. He thought that Coker tire may be offering them, because of the large number of cars that use them.

I called Coker and they can have the Lock-rings made to whatever size you need, at $179. each. But he couldn't tell me if that was with them tempered to spring-steel like the originals were or not. He's going to mail a small sample piece to make sure it's the same shape. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But since I now know that many others will fit, I'm not going to be in a big hurry to buy new ones. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Thanks,

I don't suppose that $179 includes plating. If it does, I think that would be a bargain.

No, That doesn't even include Paint. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Someone told me that the wood spokes in wood-wheels also had a dowel pin between the spokes that locked them together. I had to see that for myself, so I took apart my worst, unusable wheel, to find out.
There are wood 3/8" dowel-pins between spokes. They don't go horizontally thru spokes, (there would be No way to do that) but they are drilled in from backside, about 2/3s of the way thru, at gap between spokes. And they do lock the spokes together, I could not get the spokes out of rim until I drilled out the dowel-pins. The dowels are hidden and held in by the back hub plate, which is held on by the lug-sleeves.
I now have some good extra spokes and hub plates, If I damage any of the others, or if I find a good rim somewhere. The rim is junk tho.
I did find 3 more good wood wheels and I'm now trying to save up my Pennies, to be able to afford them. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Did you take any pictures? I am a visual type of guy. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Will check back tomorrow. I am heading back out to garage.

No, I didn't think to take pictures, but I can take some tomorrow of the naked spokes and you will be able to see where the dowels were.

I'd like to see some photos of your progress. It sounds like you've gotten a lot accomplished in a short period of time.

Here's a pic of 2 spokes. 8 of the 12 spokes are like the one on left (with large lug-sleeve hole) and 4 of them are like one on right of picture. The 3/8" hole at gap between spokes is here the wood dowel pin goes. It doesn't go all the way thru to front side. You can see traces of original green paint on them.
See attachment:

I now have 4 of the original wheel rims and rings repaired, using welding rod. But 2 of them have 2 each wood spokes that need replacing (I have good spokes from other bad wheel). To do that I will need at least 16 lug-sleeves. New sleeves need to be Pressed in. I've determined that it is impossible to remove the old ones without destroying them. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> So if anyone knows of a good source for the sleeve tubes, Please let me know?