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#302975 - 09/30/05 07:26 AM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: 70 Electra]
Smartin Offline
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It took me about 6 hours to clean and sand the wheel houses to prep them for paint. I used a DA for the big spots, a wire wheel on a drill for the smaller areas, and then sanded by hand the rest of it.

I just used the chassis black from CARS. It's good stuff...and it took me about 3 cans to do this.
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#302976 - 09/30/05 08:19 AM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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It took me about 6 hours to clean and sand the wheel houses to prep them for paint


So Adam, I gotta ask, Is this your day job as well as your night job?
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1954 BUICK "The Beautiful Buy"

1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB, (Irene,gone down under)
1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup, Dakota, Blue Belle, Virginia, Marietta, "High Society" (thank you Paul Meyer)
1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT- "54Muscle" w/3 speed stick(thank you Jim Schilf & Norm Kortus), Mary Jane Verkauft bis ein, wer 54 Buicks in Deutschland liebt, dankt Freund
1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan 3 speed- Sugar Magnolia

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#302977 - 09/30/05 04:37 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: MrEarl]
Smartin Offline
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One of these days, it will be!


I was up until midnight the other night doing the wheelhouses. Now I get to wait on the heads & manifolds. The distributor is ready to be installed, too.
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#302978 - 10/04/05 08:37 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Some progress while I wait for heads:

Distributor is repaired with a new vac advance and a cleaning. Valley pan is installed, along with the breather tube.

I think I'm hosed for work until I get these heads and exh manifold back from the machine shop.




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#302979 - 10/09/05 09:34 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Got a few little things done this weekend. Most of the weekend was spent wiring a buddy's new house for phone, cable, and internet. We dropped almost 4000 feet of wire in that house


Heater core and firewall box are installed. I also tackled the mess of relays and voltage regulator on the drivers side.

I talked to the machine shop of Friday, and they said that the place they order their valves from had sent them one wrong valve...and it set them back almost a week. And now I'm set back a week....great! Still nothing to do!!



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#302980 - 10/13/05 11:22 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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I got the heads and exh manifolds back from the shop Tuesday. They installed all new exhaust valves and one new intake valve, did a valve job, knurled the guides, and installed two new guides. They removed the old studs from the exhaust manifolds and cleaned them up for me to lay some nice cast iron grey paint on them. I just haven't had a chance to get into the garage to even paint anything yet! I'm getting anxious....

80 hours into the project so far. I'm glad I had to remove the heads...who knows how much power I was losing with all the exhaust valves and an intake valve problem! Although, I made the decision to remove the heads when I discovered that the heat riser valve might have been stuck shut on the passenger side exhaust manifold. The only way for me to repair/remove it was to remove the manifold itself. I thought for sure I was going to break a bolt or two. Little did I know, I was going to break the whole manifold apart trying to get it off!


That's all for now..
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#302981 - 10/16/05 02:41 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Hit the proverbial "wall:"

Need to know what way the thermostat goes in!

I don't want to install it upside down...
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#302982 - 10/16/05 04:52 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Got a couple parts back on this weekend






Still stumped on the thermostat position question, though..
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#302983 - 10/17/05 12:55 AM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Adam, thermostats always go in with the spring side twords the block.

THIS SIDE UP.



THIS SIDE DOWN.
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#302984 - 10/17/05 07:27 AM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: sixpack2639]
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Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was supposed to be like that, but I wanted to be sure.
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#302985 - 10/17/05 10:07 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Quote:
Got a couple parts back on this weekend






Still stumped on the thermostat position question, though..


Nice work Adam,
This is something I should do to all my cars, they all look bad under their hoods. The only detailing I have done so far was applying wrong color spray paint over the rust, dirt, oil, hoses and wiring on my 65 Wildcat!
Can somebody tell me where to get a kit to rebuild the original fuel pump for my 65 401? I bought one at my local Buick dealership but it's sealed. The old one was still pumping fuel but it was also pumping oil under the hood (which I haven't cleaned yet...)!
About the thermostat, the one I have in my 65 doesn't look like the other thermostats I have seen. I'll try to explain how it looks: The top part doesn't have a "pin" extending above it and the thermostat door doesn't "slide" on it. If I remember well, it opens in a similar way to a 60's car vent window: the door has hinges in it's center section and when it opens one side of the door goes up and the other side goes down... I'm wondering if it's the original. I recently have done a tune up on it and the points and the condenser were old Delco points with a separate Delco condenser, they probably dated from the seventies. The plug wiring is also made by Delco and has rubber parts that entirely covers the spark plug holes in the heads. Is wiring like this still available?
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#302986 - 10/19/05 09:55 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Philippe Racicot]
Smartin Offline
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Phil,

The same type of thermostat you are describing was in this car...in fact, I still have it in a box in the garage.

..doing some putzing before I try to turn the key for the first time..

I have to change the oil and charge the battery before I let it rip.

I have some cleaning up to do after I get it all together, but it's lookin' pretty good now.

For some reason, no one has 7/64 vacuum line.

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#302987 - 10/19/05 10:57 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Lookin good Adam!!
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BCA- 39474, 1959 BDBCA-0021, AACA-228846



1954 BUICK "The Beautiful Buy"

1954 Roadmaster 76R, 2 DR HT - DoraB, (Irene,gone down under)
1954 Roadmaster 72R 4 DR - Buttercup, Dakota, Blue Belle, Virginia, Marietta, "High Society" (thank you Paul Meyer)
1954 Century 66R 2 DR HT- "54Muscle" w/3 speed stick(thank you Jim Schilf & Norm Kortus), Mary Jane Verkauft bis ein, wer 54 Buicks in Deutschland liebt, dankt Freund
1954 Special 41D 4 DR Deluxe Sedan 3 speed- Sugar Magnolia

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#302988 - 10/20/05 07:34 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: MrEarl]
Smartin Offline
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SHE RUNS!!!!



I smoked myself out of the garage when all the paint started cooking, but it was worth it

Minor fuel leak at the filter, but that was my fault for not tightening the nut

It sounds really strong. I will change the oil one more time, and set the carb and timing. She should be good to go for a spin here soon. Too bad it's raining
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#302989 - 10/20/05 07:46 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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THREE CHEERS!!!!!!
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#302990 - 10/20/05 09:02 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: my3buicks]
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#302991 - 10/20/05 10:17 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Thriller]
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Ain't nuthin finer, than when you light one off for the first time. YessirreeBob!
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1964 Electra convertible "The Admiral"
1908 Buick Model S "Theodore"

1925 Chevrolet Roadster "Daisy" (Grand National)
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#302992 - 10/20/05 10:32 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: 1964 225 Roadster]
Smartin Offline
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Registered: 03/04/02
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Loc: St. Charles, MO
Looks to be leak-tight. I topped off all the fluids after doing another oil and filter change. I just LOVE killing a case of oil in one night....on the same car.

Next on the list: Finish the air cleaner, find out why the speedometer does not work, paint the underside of the trunk lid, polish stainless, tranny lube, and TEST DRIVE.
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#302993 - 10/20/05 10:57 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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What's after that list? A Senior in Rochester perhaps?
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1972(46667)Centurion Convertible
2004 Rendezvous CXL
We could learn a lot from crayons. Some are sharp, some are pretty, and some are dull. Some have weird names, and all are different colors. But they all have to live in the same box.

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#302994 - 10/20/05 11:10 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: my3buicks]
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I hope so!!

It received a senior award in 1994 when it was first done with a "cosmetic" restoration. Basically, all the stuff you could see was repainted. I'm going to see if I can attach the senior badge to the grille, but it may prove to be difficult with the shape of the grille itself. I'll have to fab a bracket.


But yes, Rochester is its first BCA stop
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#302995 - 10/21/05 01:05 AM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Congratulations Adam, she's looking great!
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#302996 - 10/21/05 10:12 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: sixpack2639]
Smartin Offline
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I took it for a drive this afternoon.

When I first started it, the car would not want to stay running. I looked at the choke and it was not engaging, so I flipped the choke plate shut and let it warm up that way. It stayed running with the plate shut. When it was warmed up, I flipped the plate back open. Talk about manual choke! That's obviously a problem I need to look into, along with the stumble off idle when I touch the gas. Since EVERYTHING else is new and replaced, I am assuming it is the carb/accel pump since that is the only part I did not inspect before I reinstalled it. Looks like I need to get it rebuilt. I may just have someone do it...not sure yet. That's not real high on the priority list right now though.
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#302997 - 10/22/05 08:18 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
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Adam,

You might want to go after that choke linkage yourself. I think it's unlikely, unless something is missing, that anything is actually in need of replacement or rebuilding. The linkage might just be out of alignment, sticking, or need adjustment. The accelerator pump is of course a different story. I found it fairly easy to tinker with the choke and fast idle when I had the '65 Electra. Nothing computer-controlled here!

This reminds me of a dreaded flaw in the Buick accelerator linkage of this era. The problem definitely applied in '65, and a '60 nailhead may have the same ailment. If the motor mount on the driver's side breaks or gets loose, the engine will torque over under load and pull the throttle wide open. It's a horrible feeling when this happens when you're driving, which is the usual scenario. Sucks the pedal right down under your foot, and usually the only thing you can do to stop the car is turn off the key!

This can happen even with BRAND NEW motor mounts, as it did to me. A new motor mount was sheared right off within a few hundred miles of an engine swap. Typically, these cars were supposed to be fitted with a chain or cable "hold down" on the driver's side front of the engine. I think this was a safety re-call item and I believe it could be considered "correct." Even if a judge were to quibble, I think you could make a good case for it--maybe even have a copy of the recall with you if you can get one. Either way, it's better to get the car and yourself to the show in one piece.

The first warning that the engine is on a runaway is usually that you hear the fan hitting the shroud. An ugly sound and not good for the fan or the shroud!
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#302998 - 10/23/05 12:56 AM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: 55PackardGuy]
Smartin Offline
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Guy, I found the problem with the choke today, but I am still having problems with the hesitation at first throttle.

I just picked up a rebuild kit and will be tearing into it tomorrow.
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#302999 - 10/25/05 08:12 PM Re: 1960 Electra 225 Convertible R&R [Re: Smartin]
Smartin Offline
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I give up on this hesitation/bog problem. Time to let the pros dig into the carb this time.

I pulled the accel pump out of it, and it obviously needed to be changed. But "apparently", the carb was rebuilt a week before Hank bought the car (this Spring). Possibly worn throttle shaft bushings is my guess now. I ran the car this evening after the pump change, and NO difference. And there is a real big bog when the secondaries open up. At first, I thought I was dealing with aa qjet with this bog problem

Anyway, I'm throwin' in the towel with this carb. And now the generator is making noise.
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