Please limit your posts in this forum to Packards and releated subjects.

Hi This is Dave Fields in El Paso, TX. I have a 1942 convertible coupe with the 125 hp 8 cylinder. It has been overheating lately. I also have a very rare 1951 hardtop thatI ahve been accumilating parts for, a 1946 Clipper 4 door 125 hp 8, a 47, 54, and a 55 parts car.<BR>Anyway, I hope this forum is as fun as the old one at classicars.com

Hi David...<BR>This is Pete Hartmann in northern Arizona (38 V-12 Formal Sedan). Not sure if I am doing this right....test<BR><A HREF="http://null" TARGET=_blank>null</A>

David...hopefully, the one or two "bad apples" from the other Forum wont find their way in here. Never did figure out what that guy or guys had against the "big" Packards...!

Well, you almost never see a V-12. I have seen only one all year-at the Pate Museume of transportation south of Ft. Worth. We have the advantage of setting up threads here. There can be one on V-8 Packards, one on V-12's, somebody could start one on the very early stuff. Craig could have his Panther project in one. I think the chats will be easier to follow, understand, and also come back to for reference.

How about the article in the Packard Cormorant on the sraight twelve. I wonder if one will ever show up.

For those of you not from the old chat site, I have a 1955 Patrician, a 1955 Clipper Super, and a 1953 Packard Clipper. All are drivers in #3 or better condition (paint, you know) and the '53 is show condition.

Don't believe I have the thread figured out yet....keeps creating a new topic I did not intend. Where are my glasses?

OK, this reads DOWN like a book....got too used to reading up on other sites. Think I have the hang of it now.

Besides both Packard Clubs, my wife and I are AACA members from the NAR AACA.

It's kind of confusing but I guess it can be gotten used to. the problem i have is that in order to keep abreast of everyone you have to go into each topic.

AlK: you're right about the confusion of threads, but at least the list of threads is ordered by most recent first.

I agree Al, too many topic rooms can be hard to keep up with, but I do like this site.

As a FORMER systems programmer who forced change on everyone, I am not allowed to complain - BUT, all this change is confusing. Guess I'll adapt - gotta keep moving.

Trent - I do not believe that "straight Twelve" story. Werner Gurbitz did design some overly long-hooded cars, and a couple actually were built in the Packard Co's "prototype" shop... but they were conventional mechanically. Think about it...how long the crank-shaft would be - you'd have terrible "haromincs" in a "straight" 12. - it would be incredibly inefficient - make absolutely NO sense from an engineering standpoint - oh..as a "stunt" I suppose you could make one. But I dont believe Packard would have done that...their "prototype" engineering dept. was under close supervision from management, devoted its efforts to things that were potentially marketable.

So PFH: why don't you start a V-12 thread? Should be interesting.

Pete I have heard stries of straight 12's for years, supposidly Hisso made one, but I agree with you. I wonder why Packard never made a dual carb setup lik eBuick went to in the 1940's? I understand those end cylinders on the 8's starve a bit.

Pete, You're right a straight 12 would seem an engineering nightmare as well as having a very limited application.

Peter G: this seems to be a nice set up you have provided for us Packard Nuts. I own two cars a 1953 Packard shich is under going restortation right now. The other is a 1966 Chevy Chevelle 4 door with 44,000 miles on it

Yes, over the years, I have heard all kinds of rumors about "straight twelves". The way these get started, is a person who is..well..let's be charitable and say "inexpert" about things mechanical, looks at something like a Hisso or a Rolls Ghost, Phantom ONE or TWO, and counts twelve spark plugs. ( I have seen the same thing happen when people see under the hood of my 800 cu. in. American La France V-12 fire engine). They do not realize that up thru the mid 1920's, due to the less than perfect ignition systems, many expensive cars had TWO separate ignition systems, including two spark plugs per cylinder. Thus, people would see a "big six" such as a Rolls, and THINK they were looking at a "striaght twelve".

cheque the DATE at the top of this thread. Would u-all believe its been 3+ years???

With so much good Packard info here (more than anywhere else), it seems longer than three years to me!

However, I'm chuckling at all the initial fuss over the threaded format. The CC Live Chat was easy for casual conversation, but could only hold so many posts - new one's eventually push old one out the back-end. I know the that searching this archive isn't exactly easy, but could you imagine all the great info we've posted being contained in one long thread???