54Coupe Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I have a. chassis with #5 Buffalo wire wheels and external contracting hydraulic brakes. We think it is late 20’s or 30’s. Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, 54Coupe said: I have a. chassis with #5 Buffalo wire wheels and external contracting hydraulic brakes. We think it is late 20’s or 30’s. Thank You Without photos it will really be tough to identify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54Coupe Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 Do you think that there were a lot of manufacturers with external contracting hydraulic brakes? I don’t do computers too much, and have no idea how to post a photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 You might want to add photo posting to your skill set. It does come in handy. I'm nearly 71 and can do it. So can you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 External contracting hydraulic brakes are probably early style Lockheed braking system. There are a couple other possibilities, mostly foreign. There were quite a few automobile manufacturing companies that used those brakes beginning about 1922, and adding more each year. Some years ago, I saw an ad for them, it listed several of the marques using them at the time. Paige used Lockheed brakes, I don't recall when they began (it was about '25). I believe that Peerless also used them (I knew a couple people that had Peerless automobiles, and we compared notes on the brakes (the early system was a bit tricky, but worked great once you understand them). By 1928, hydraulic brakes were switching to internal expanding brakes. The 1929 Reo I had years ago had internal hydraulic brakes, and worked more like modern (relatively speaking) braking systems. Most companies using the early Lockheed brakes were smaller producers, looking for a sales edge. However, I think that Chrysler was one that used them also. Chrysler may have also offered optional Buffalo wire wheels on their larger models. I sure would like to see some good pictures of the chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 to post a picture. Start a post. Put in some text. Scroll down a bit till you see the paper clip. Either drag and drop into that grey area, or click on choose files. Choose a file or two and select Open or whatever at bottom right. They will appear in the grey area. Put your cursor where you want the picture in your post. Left click on the thumbnail in the grey area and the picture will appear in your post. To put in another, press enter (go to next line. Pictures are treated as characters in your post). Left click on the next picture. Done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_a Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I was looking at an ad for Lockheed brakes today in Automotive Industries from 1924 and it listed 8 or 9 companies using them. Duesenberg Peerless Collins Six, Peerless Eight Chalmers Kissel Paige Stutz Haynes Wills Ste. Claire A 12 hp Bean auto in the UK and the Elcar 8-80 used them that year, too, as well as Timken Axle, Eaton Axle, and Columbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 My 1927 moon has external hydraulic brakes,mine is the small 660 series,the larger Diana may have had buffalo wheels,if you can text me some pics from your phone maybe I can post them, dave. 909 980 5766 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1928 Graham-Paige 610 had external ( I have one) internal in 1929. Grahams used Lockheed brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 11 hours ago, 54Coupe said: Do you think that there were a lot of manufacturers with external contracting hydraulic brakes? I don’t do computers too much, and have no idea how to post a photo. If you care to send the photos to me, i will post them here. keiser 31 @ charter . net no spaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The chassis photos.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 That tube style front axle has a Chrysler look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viv w Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The brakes, tube front axle and pinion adjustment on the rear axle all point towards Chrysler. I have a 1926 Chrysler G70 with type HC4 buffalo wire wheels ( and I'm still looking for some good wheels), but I believe the Model E80 Imperials were fitted with type 5 Buffalo wire wheels . I think this is probably what you have and I would say most likely it is between 1926 to 1928. Viv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The arched cross member near the rear of the frame in question seems to be a bit different as the Chrysler item drops below the frame side rails and kicks back up. The item in question seems to be level with the side rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 The spreader bar is to far back, front cross member is not wide enough and the transmission mounting plates are different than a Chrysler. Mid to late 1920s Moon maybe. What is the wheel base ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Certainly mid to late '20s. I have a model 6-45 Paige, and I can tell you it isn't one of those. I doubt that it would be any Paige based upon the front axle, but I do not know all the models they made. I do hope someone can recognize it and get it to the right place for restoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Tomorrow I’ll get pics of my moon frame and post them looks very similar,can you tell me the size of the wheels,preferably tire size if there is any, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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