Lamont Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Hi All. I am in need of a tie rod (and the end assemblies) for a '36 Dodge LC half ton truck. Anyone know any resources that I might find an NOS or replica? Anyone know if the tie rod on that year is same for a sedan as it for a half ton truck? The earliest tie rod I can find is a '39...which is threaded differently than the earlier models. Lastly, I assume the tie rod should be straight? The one on my truck is bowed but perfectly symmetrical....which makes me wonder if someone stuck on an aftermarket stabilizer bar cause they couldn't find a tie rod. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I may have one,in our Hershey stuff,let you know when we unpack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Try Roberts Motor Parts, they are Dodge truck suppliers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) All the same drag link ends are: 1933-39 HC, HCL, KC, KCL, LC, MC, MD15-16, MD20-21, RC, RD10-11, RD15-16, RD20-21, TD15, TD20-21, ½-3/4-1 ton 6 cyl. 1930-32 Dodge DD, DH, DC, DG, DK, 1933 DP, DQ, 1934 DR, DS, 1935 DU, 1936-38 D2, D3, D5, D8 1931-32 UF10 after no 8002596, F10 after 8101140, ½ton, 4-6 cyl. 1929-30 DeSoto K, CK, SA, SC, CF, 1935 SF, Airstream 1927-29 Chrysler 50, 52, 1929-33 66, CJ, CM, CI, CO, CD, CP, CQ Imperial, CT Royal, 1934-35 CA, CB, C6, CZ, Airstream 1929-30 Fargo KC, QC, 1938-39 FG1, FH1, FG2-20, FG2-36, FH2-20, FH2-33 1930 gRAHAM special 6, 45 (some) 1930-31 Hudson Great 8, Greater 8 1928-30 International Special Delivery, 6-sp. special. 1931-34 A1 (some), A2 (early), B2 (early), 4WB 1929-32 Nash 1931 Olds F31 Plymouth 1929-38 including drag link end on PE, PF, PJ, 1937-39 PT50, PT57, PT81 ½ton commercial Maybe they are not hard to find! Edited September 22, 2018 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamont Posted September 20, 2018 Author Share Posted September 20, 2018 I have found the end assemblies. Its the actual rod I can't find for a '36 Dodge half ton. Thanks crew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Send a personal message to Countrytraveler on this site. He has a business selling old Mopar parts and might be able to help you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Try Rare Parts. http://rareparts.com/ Edited September 21, 2018 by keiser31 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 A machine shop should be able to make one fairly easily. It is just a piece of heavy wall pipe with a thread in each end, albeit one of them left hand thread. They may even be able to straighten the one you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvaughn Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Spinneyhill, would you happen to have an interchange listing for the tie rod ends for a 1932 REO Model S? .812 x 18 male threads right and left hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpage Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I sold a guy a tie rod from a '36 dodge car and it was the same as his '37 Dodge truck. I may have one , I'll have to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 40 minutes ago, stvaughn said: interchange listing for the tie rod ends for a 1932 REO Model S Probably... 1933-35 Flying Cloud S, 2S, 3S; Royale 7S, 6 cyl takes a DUFOR TE11, which is a male thread 13/16x18, bolt taper 0.703 to 0.609 over 3/4", ball bolt 1/2x20. Also used on lots of Reo trucks 1932-39. White trucks 1940-49 WB20, WB20T, WA20, WA20R, 32DG, 37DY, 37DZ, 64DA, 64DB, 54DA, 54DB, front axles 6 cyl. Chevrolet truck 1935-50 Q, R, SA, SB, SC, SD, TA, TB, TC, TD, VA, VB VC, VD, WA, WB 4X2, YR, YS, YT, MR, MS, MT, OR, OS, PJ, PK (exc. heavy duty), QJ, QK, SJ, TJ, RJ, RK, SK, TK, Series 4103, 4104, 4105, 4107, 4109, 4409, 1.5 ton 6 cyl. Chevrolet truck 1935-36 Maple Leaf, HX, HY, 2 ton. Chev truck 1938-42 Series 15 1.5ton. Chev Truck 1946-52 DS, ES, FS, GS, HS, JS, KS 1 ton commercial. 1946-52 sERIES 11 1947-52 Series 14 1958-59 Series 38, 41, 44 (exc. with HD front axle - not used with 2-speed axle). Essex 1932 Super 6, 6cyl. GMC truck 1935-38 T16 , T16H (1936) GMC truck 1938-42 series 95 GMC truck 1939-51 AC300, CC260, CC300, CCS300, EC280, EC300, ECS300, FC150, EC250, FC250, FC280, FC300 GMC truck 1946-52 Series 91 GMC truck 1947-54 series 94 Graham 1930-35 companion 6, 58; Std 6, 65; Std 8 64, 67; Special 8, 67, 69; Custom 8, 57A, 69; Blue Streak 57, 72, 75, 79 Hudson 1932-33 Super 6, E; Great 8, Greater 8, T, U, L A number of International Trucks (I am running out of oomph) 1932-37, 1934-37, 1937-40, 1940-49, 1950-56 Nash 1932-39 1120, 1220, Advance 6, 3520, Ambassador 6, 3620; Std 8 1130; Special 8 1170; Advance 8 1280, 3580; AMbassador 8 3580, 3680, 3780, 3880, 3980. Oldsmobile 1932-33 F32, F33, L32, L33. Oldsmobile Truck 1936-38 C131, C157 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvaughn Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Spinneyhill said: Probably... 1933-35 Flying Cloud S, 2S, 3S; Royale 7S, 6 cyl takes a DUFOR TE11, which is a male thread 13/16x18, bolt taper 0.703 to 0.609 over 3/4", ball bolt 1/2x20. Also used on lots of Reo trucks 1932-39. White trucks 1940-49 WB20, WB20T, WA20, WA20R, 32DG, 37DY, 37DZ, 64DA, 64DB, 54DA, 54DB, front axles 6 cyl. Chevrolet truck 1935-50 Q, R, SA, SB, SC, SD, TA, TB, TC, TD, VA, VB VC, VD, WA, WB 4X2, YR, YS, YT, MR, MS, MT, OR, OS, PJ, PK (exc. heavy duty), QJ, QK, SJ, TJ, RJ, RK, SK, TK, Series 4103, 4104, 4105, 4107, 4109, 4409, 1.5 ton 6 cyl. Chevrolet truck 1935-36 Maple Leaf, HX, HY, 2 ton. Chev truck 1938-42 Series 15 1.5ton. Chev Truck 1946-52 DS, ES, FS, GS, HS, JS, KS 1 ton commercial. 1946-52 sERIES 11 1947-52 Series 14 1958-59 Series 38, 41, 44 (exc. with HD front axle - not used with 2-speed axle). Essex 1932 Super 6, 6cyl. GMC truck 1935-38 T16 , T16H (1936) GMC truck 1938-42 series 95 GMC truck 1939-51 AC300, CC260, CC300, CCS300, EC280, EC300, ECS300, FC150, EC250, FC250, FC280, FC300 GMC truck 1946-52 Series 91 GMC truck 1947-54 series 94 Graham 1930-35 companion 6, 58; Std 6, 65; Std 8 64, 67; Special 8, 67, 69; Custom 8, 57A, 69; Blue Streak 57, 72, 75, 79 Hudson 1932-33 Super 6, E; Great 8, Greater 8, T, U, L A number of International Trucks (I am running out of oomph) 1932-37, 1934-37, 1937-40, 1940-49, 1950-56 Nash 1932-39 1120, 1220, Advance 6, 3520, Ambassador 6, 3620; Std 8 1130; Special 8 1170; Advance 8 1280, 3580; AMbassador 8 3580, 3680, 3780, 3880, 3980. Oldsmobile 1932-33 F32, F33, L32, L33. Oldsmobile Truck 1936-38 C131, C157 Thank you. Where do you find all this information? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 1956 DUFOR catalogue. DUFOR is an Australian company. After finding the Reo, I searched through for TE11. Edited September 22, 2018 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 We of a certain age find it in archaic assemblies of the printed page, called catalogs (as SP mentioned above) and books...heavy to store and pack around, but wonderful for exercise, and they can't be hacked and diddled by someone having electronic fun...(that's the good part)... Alas, they do have their idiosyncrasies...one being they don't always agree... April 1940 King Products lists 33-36 var models incl LC/LCX 1/2T, their ES35 ends, no "intermediate rod" (which I assume is the tie rod itself??) listed (unusual)... May 1941 McQuay-Norris lists 1936 All LC/LCX series, 1/2T, (by themselves) their ES57, intermediate rod ET6.. THESE TWO CATALOGS USE THE SAME FORMAT, SAME PART NUMBERS, AND'VE ALWAYS AGREED EXACTLY-----until now.... Only my 36 King has numerical indexes;it shows ET6---var Chryslers 30-33, Dodge 35-36 DU, D2, var Dodge Trks 33-35, incl "1/2T" (BUT NOT 36 LC/LCX OR 1/2T), some Graham-Paiges, some IH trks and Plymouth PJ, P1, P2 35-36... ES35 shows long list CCptn models ranging 31-36... ES57---oops; 36 catalog ends at ES56!!! (Immaterial as you have sockets aleady)... I don't follow CCptn so don't know why discrepancy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 SPINNEYHILL----I'm not doing well on the Reo, either...I have two choices, all agreeing in my 36 and 40 Kings and the 41 NcQuay-Norris (all same format, came part #s)... 31-32 Six, S, 621 6cyl; 821,825,831,835 8cyl their ES1 32-34 Flying cloud S, 38, Royale 75 (all 6s) theirES56 The ES 56 seems to fit others in your column of users, but under a different number (RS26)and I note you headed the list 33-35 (I did not compare specs)... The ES1 shows an array of orphans, incl Auburn and Peerless, late 20s/early 30s, incl a raft of Reos/Reo trks 27-32. These may be hard to find if all snapped up by Auburn and Peerless collectors... All three catalogs note the ES1 sockets and the ET1 intermediate rod MUST BE INSTALLED TOGETHER (NOT required for ES56)... While I don't really think that my catalogs disagree more than they agree, it happens all too often... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) Yes, I have noticed that too, especially when there are a lot of makes and models involved. The DUFOR catalogue is a fairly late one and I think they have rationalised in saying that TE11 (say) will fit all these models although small design details may not be as original. For example, the Dodge 8 ends were long with two clamping bolts. The DUFOR ones are short with one clamping bolt. Will they work? DUFOR says so but I wonder if the tie rod will need to be longer. In general, I wonder if later catalogues are as accurate as earlier ones because the market is much smaller for parts for older vehicles, meaning they might be less assiduous in their checking of the entries. With tie rod ends, I suppose the important parts are the bolt taper and the fitting thread. Edited September 22, 2018 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I have a 1933 Motor Specialties Replacement Parts Reference Book. There are no tie rod ends after 1930-31. What is interesting is the changeover from tie rod bolts and bushings to what they call Eccentric type and Ball type. With the eccentric, they give the "sockets" and the "inter-rods" numbers, which I think are in the series Bud gave above - probably the same manufacturer. Bud gave the 1930--31 Reo; this one gives for models 20, 25, Flying Cloud 1930-31, the socket is ES 1 and the inter-rod is ET13. I wonder if the inter-rod is the tie rod? For interest, these ES 1 ends were also used on Reo Flying cloud 1927-28 and master 6 in 1929 with inter-rod ET 3; the same config. was used on the F-G series 1.5, 2, 3 ton trucks 1928. The ES 1 ends were also on FC, FD, FA, FB, FD trucks. DUFOR don't go back this far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 This one is from 1942 Interchangeability handbook by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 For the OP's question on the LC, this is what the Automotive Publishing co said in 1942: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stvaughn Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Bud, I suspect that I meet the qualification you mentioned "of a certain age", unfortunately I have have not amassed a collection of printed material to use as a reference and therefore rely on the generosity of people like you and spinneyhill to fill in the blanks of my knowledge base which is quite large. Thanks for all the input. Now back to my tie rod end. My REO Mechanics Instruction Book (reprint) has a section devoted to the 1932 Model S and shows the exact tie rod end that I removed from my Model S with the comment that it is "slightly different" from the previous years. The next section is for the 1933 Model S2 and only shows items that are different from the Model S and makes no mention of the tie rod end so the presumption is they are the same for 32 and 33. I went to my local NAPA dealer and he pulled out one of those old yellowed catalogues you referred to and the only tie rod end listed that had .812x18 right and left hand threads was for a Chevy truck. ($60 ea.) I ordered a set and they match the dimensions spinneyhill noted above however the taper is smaller than the OE tie rod end. The Chevy has a small end dimension of .609 and the OE is .638. I installed them and it appears that the taper angle is the same as they fit tight in the steering arm and the taper does not extend above the arm. The only issue is that the cotter pin hole is above the castle nut when the nut is tightened. I resolved this with some spacers between the nut and steering arm and everything seems to work just fine. Now that I have that problem resolved I can get on with the brake and fuel system. Thanks for all the input. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 May be hijacking this thread but a couple years back In my search for tie rod ends ES15 R&L for my 31 Buick Sr60, I had a good conversation with an elderly gentleman who told me that some catalogs gave further information such as thread size and pitch, taper and cup size and that information would allow one to scavenge good parts and rebuild your old tie rod carcass. I never did find replacements but coincidentally, see one on eBay today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 7 hours ago, JoelsBuicks said: my 31 Buick Sr60, I had a good conversation with an elderly gentleman who told me that some catalogs gave further information such as thread size and pitch, taper and cup size DUFOR say that one would fit 1931-33 8-50, 8-60, 32-60, 33-66, a TE9 in their numbering. Also fits 1928-30 Std 6, 115, 116, Series 40; 8 cylinder 1935-37 Chryslers (exc. C8); Fargo trucks 1929-30 K1, Freighter, 1ton; 1927-32 Reo; 1928 Reo trucks. TE9 is a female 7/8x18, 0.747-0.630 bolt taper over 15/16" with 9/16-18 ball bolt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Thanks so much for that information; it’s far more than I had to go on. Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Dealing with these old catalogs has generated a lot of sympathy for parts people... That 36 King Prod catalog has a specs section ES1---Diam of socket thread 7/8 (.875) x 18NF; Diam of ball 1"; High/Low diam of taper .750/.649, length of taper 13/16 ).8125) thread size od stud 9/16 (.5625)-18... Sadly, no specs were listed for anything after ES49... I mis-spent a couple years of my youth in replacement parts, and can attest replacement parts companies did provide parts that'd been tweaked to fit several installations (but possibly none exactly as OE) yet close enough to be used safely etc, rather than have to stock endless varieties... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broker-len Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Lamont ----------!! please post picture of your end I may have it bobnroman@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, broker-len said: Lamont ----------!! please post picture of your end I may have it bobnroman@yahoo.com Let’s keep this site family friendly, ok? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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