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SO TESLA IS TANKING....YOUR THOUGHTS

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Tesla has a strong following despite the recent screw ups by Elon.  If anything happens it will be a buyout by a cash heavy company from the US or China.  

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I'm honestly surprised it's taken this long. Have you folks seen the youtube videos of the guy who has been doing rebuilds on written off cars? They sell a product that nobody but them is allowed to work on!

 

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21 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

He and his car have had NO EFFECT on my life, when my 1999 Oldsmobile dies I'll  find another. Bob 

It does on mine, many mutual retirement funds including ones I have are invested in the company.  Plus lots of people and suppliers depend on the company’s sales to keep people employed.  On the other hand, the stock prices being low is attracting investors as reported today in the financial news.

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Watch the youtube video, that guy is just doing what hot rodders/custom/restorers have done for years. I do not know anything about those cars, I do not understand why a company would not sell parts to repair one of their cars? It would be sad to see another American company sold and owned by a different country  

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Only thing holding Tesla together is hype, left coast nit wits and tax dollars. It's unsustainable in it's current form as long as liquid fuels are available.............. Bob

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Two things, how does a car company that is only 15 years old get consumer confidence?  I don't really believe it is consumer confidence was much as it it the people buying their cars THINK they are no polluting.

 

From what I have read,  long will a car company stay in business when they are getting approximately $30,000 in federal and state subsidies per vehicle they see?  Until the subsidies run out.

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9 minutes ago, zeke01 said:

Thank you for brining some sanity to the discussion.  A big local natural gas utility wants to move it’s HQ to a nearby municipality and wants 10 yrs of local taxes waived to sweeten the deal. 

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Elon Musk is a Grade A bs artist but he is also the most successful new car startup since WW2. The Tesla company doesn't stand a chance as a stand alone company, especially now that other car makers are moving into the electric car field and the subsidies are drying up. I don't think the company will fold, I think a big car company will buy them up first and keep the Tesla name as their flagship electric car brand.

 

There is no doubt the electric car is superior to the gas car. Up until now the drawback has been the power supply. But new, better batteries are coming out all the time. A guy in England is working on a battery or super capacitor that has twice the power of present batteries, lasts 50 years and is made out of carbon paper and salt water. If that gets into mass production the electric car will take over most of the market.

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You are conveniently forgetting that TESLA have built a huge factory to make batteries, for vehicles and other storage requirements such as for domestic (and other) solar power systems.

 

You are also forgetting that China will not be building petrol or diesel vehicles much longer. Volvo has already given a date for ceasing petrol and diesel vehicle production. Oxford, UK, are banning diesel vehicles in the inner city from 2020 and will be ramping up the size of the zone of exclusion over time. Paris, France wants to ban all combustion-engine vehicles by 2030. They are planning on banning diesel cars from the city by 2024, when they host the Olympics. Here are some other places banning vehicles and combustion-engine vehicles.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/cities-going-car-free-ban-2017-8?nojs=1

 

What we are seeing are the growth pangs of a new technology. Remember that in 1900, there were very few cars on the road. 13 years later there were very few horse-drawn vehicles. As in the early days of vehicles, some makers will not survive in their original form. TESLA has already diversified into components for other makers and industries.

 

Here is an interesting article on the uptake of electric vehicles.

https://thedriven.io/2018/09/03/ev-uptake-gathers-speed-1-million-global-sales-added-in-just-six-months/

 

For your information, here are TESLA vehicle deliveries:

image.thumb.png.95ddfd5b6b8efc31595b54b49f69ddd6.pngfrom https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-vehicle-deliveries/

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Only thing holding Tesla together is hype, left coast nit wits and tax dollars. It's unsustainable in it's current form as long as liquid fuels are available..............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf28-LIdjqU

 

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Elon Musk is a Grade A bs artist but he is also the most successful new car startup since WW2. The Tesla company doesn't stand a chance as a stand alone company, especially now that other car makers are moving into the electric car field and the subsidies are drying up

 

 

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Why are we spiking the football because an American company is hurting? Because their electric and we dont like them newfangled electric thingamojiggs?  According to that aritcle up there they paid back their loans so they arent sucking the taxpayer dry. It looks like they make a decent product even tho I will never be able to afford one. They employ Americans building American products that are wanted all over the world. Isnt that a good thing? I bet the others are right and the electric cars are only a first step in a chain or a means to an end. I dont think Elan Musk wants to build cars he wants to build electric batteries and power cells and cars are a good first step where you can learn alot and prove a product then move on to something different.

 

It makes me sad to see people who like cars gloating because a car company they dont understand hit a snag. Did you gloat like this when Ford built the Edsel or when Ralph Nadir's Corvair book came out? Their are always growing pains in any industry. An American company is at the front of electric car technology and we should support that not be happy when they stumble. 

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It makes me sad to see people who like cars gloating because a car company they dont understand hit a snag. Did you gloat like this when Ford built the Edsel or when Ralph Nadir's Corvair book came out? Their are always growing pains in any industry. An American company is at the front of electric car technology and we should support that not be happy when they stumble. 

 

 

 

dont think it is gloating Bill. some people see reality and some have visions of futures far beyond. In reading this thread, I see 2 groups of people. those that think elon is a hero and others who see him for what he is to me, a quack.

 

I will never say that we shouldnt dream, but with a business background, I see far too much crap coming from elon. It is obvious he wont be bought out, because he was full of it last month when he stated he had secure backing in place to take the co private. nothing but hogwash and wasnt even as smart as Delorean with his goals, and we all know where that went. We live in interesting times and its wonderful for all of these govs to want to be cleaner and run a better environment, but most of it is BS talk. Put your money where your mouth is, but oh yes, show us a sustainable product. That hasnt been done yet.....btw who owns a Volt? cough cough.........

 

In the beggining of the motor age, there were electric vehicles in the cities, and yes the batteries posed a problem over 100 years ago and still do today. then up till 1908, there was steam at the forefront, but that didnt last either. There is a reason for the combustion engine and I believe it will continue for many more years as the world leader.

remember, you still must create energy to run the electrics, so it is not all that.

 

alot of dreaming going on, but not a lot of reality.

 

 

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I admire Musk and what he has done, and think highly of Tesla cars. It might be that only a major league bs'r could have pulled it off. I am in awe that he managed to start a car company from scratch and make it work as long as he has. That does not blind me to his defects or those of his cars. He is a pioneer of modern electric cars and has the arrows sticking out of him to prove it.

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Have wondered for some time just how many electric cars the electric grid can sustain. I remember brownouts with half the population (has tripled here in the last 30 years) at 6pm when everyone got home and turned the AC on. What will happen when they also plug their cars in. The power company is already asking for a rate increase at peak times.

 

There is a whole infrastructure required. We are better suited to switch to E85 than electric in masses.

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