Ohms for 30's cars - ANSWERED BELOW

[SMB]

What is the ohm range for the gauge and sending units for 37 cars?

Edited August 17, 2018 by SMB (see edit history)

[Cowtown Commander]

If someone knows the ohm data for 1938 I would appreciate getting that data.

[Spinneyhill]

SMB says his '37 President works on 0-30 Ω.

 

[SMB]

It did work but not with full sweep.   It also read backwards as I changed to 12V and change polarity.  I have just installed a Fuel Link SN34 and calibrated it but I am not sure that is correct until I add fuel and see which way the gauge moves.  Others I have seen indicate the ohm range is approximately 0-100.

[Spinneyhill]

this one says his '37 Dictator works on 0-90 Ω.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Spinneyhill (see edit history)

[fh4ever]

mine ('39) did not work....I took the cover off of the sender and gently used a pencil eraser on the wire coil to clean off the oxidation where the arm rubs it....I was able to get it to read full sweep on the bench, and now it seems to work fine.   I think my actual reading was about 15-95 ohms.   

I wonder which years used the same sender?     

[SMB]

 I have the answer.   I have a NOS 1938-9 president- coupe express gas gauge.  I bought a 0-90 ohm sending unit on ebay for 19.00 and just bench tested it.   Perfect.

A full sweep of the dial.  

[Spinneyhill]

KM Lifestyle make reproductions and they lump Studebaker '32-'40 in the same line, saying "contact us'.

 

 

[Cowtown Commander]

Thanks so much for the information on the 1938 ohm range.  I find a Tanks model TAN-GML model that Summit Racing has the 0-90 ohm range and a cost of $35 but thought I'd ask what is the make and model of the sender you bought on e-bay? When we were restoring the car I cut an access hole in the trunk so I hopefully will have enough access to get the unit replaced without dropping the tank.

 

[SMB]

Here is the link.  I chose this one because you change the orientation of the arm.  Seem like a nice unit.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142871819356?ViewItem=&item=142871819356&ppid=PPX000608&cnac=US&rsta=en_US(en_US)&cust=4ER04399MW6441012&unptid=b026ce60-a01f-11e8-9e06-441ea14ee788&t=&cal=ea54b0b7542b7&calc=ea54b0b7542b7&calf=ea54b0b7542b7&unp_tpcid=email-receipt-auction-payment&page=main:email&pgrp=main:email&e=op&mchn=em&s=ci&mail=sys

Edited August 19, 2018 by SMB (see edit history)

[Spinneyhill]

I hope the float arm is not too long to fit in a chamber between baffles in the tank?  - if there are baffles.

[Cowtown Commander]

Thanks so much for the information Steve, I'll be getting a send unit and let everyone know how it turns out.  Electricity has never been one of my strengths but from the data I had read and the information you provided we'll get a sender ordered and see what transpires.

Here is the information from Tanks website on

 

Universal Fuel Sender Questions and Troubleshooting

Which sender should I choose?

The resistance of your fuel sender should match that of your gauge.  For instance the resistance of the stock gauge in a 55 Chevy has a value of zero ohms when empty and 30 ohms when full.  The following list is for stock gauges and some popular aftermarket brands:

• Ford up to 1986 - 73-10 Ohms
• Ford 1987 & up - 16-158 Ohms
• GM up to 1964 - 0-30 Ohms
• GM 1965-1997 - 0-90 Ohms
• GM 1998 & up - 40-250 Ohms
• Mopar up to 1986 - 73-10 Ohms
• AMC 1950-1977 - 73-10 Ohms
• Autometer -240-33 Ohms is the most common however other ohm ranges are made
• Classic Instruments - 240-33 Ohms (excluding vehicle specific gauge kits which use factory ohm range)
• Dolphin - 0-90 Ohms
• Dakota Digital - Programmable to work with most Ohm range senders
• VDO - 10-180 Ohms

The first number represents the empty Ohm reading and the second number is the full reading.

 

My fuel gauge only reads empty.

If you cannot make your gauge read anything but empty then depending on your ohm range you may have one of the following problems:

If you have a 0-30, 0-90, and 10-180 Ohm sender then most likely your sender lead wire is grounding out somewhere.  Or possibly the center terminal on the sending unit itself is grounding out against the body of the car.

If you have a 240-33 or 73-10 Ohm sender then the sender may not have a proper ground or there is a break in the sender lead wire.

 

My fuel gauge only reads full.

If you cannot make your gauge read anything but full then depending on your ohm range you may have one of the following problems:

If you have a 0-30, 0-90 or 10-180 Ohm sender then the sender may not have a proper ground or there is a break in the sender lead wire.

If you have a 240-33 or 73-10 Ohm sender then most likely your sender lead wire is grounding out somewhere.  Or possibly the center terminal on the sending unit itself is grounding out against the body of the car.

 

Sender Bolt Pattern & Swing

Our tanks are set up for the standard SAE 5-hole bolt pattern used by all of the aftermarket gauge manufacturers. The 5-holes are not evenly spaced.   Two of the holes are farther apart than the other holes. If you are holding the sender with those two holes closest to your body, the hole directly across is known as the index hole.  If the float swings to the right, it is a right-swing sender . If it swings to the left, it is a left-swing sender.

 

Will this sender work with a 6 volt system?

Yes.  Your fuel gauge is simply reading a resistance to ground.  Because your gauge is simply reading the amount of resistance to ground this sender will work regardless of the voltage of your car.  

 

How does a fuel sender work?

 

Fuel senders have a rheostat that provides a resistance to ground.  As the fuel arm moves from the empty to the full position a contact is moved across the board on the rheostat which varies the resistance seen by the fuel gauge.  For example a 69 Camaro has a 0-90 ohm fuel sender.  When the sender is at the empty position the rheostat is not creating any resistance to ground (zero ohms). When the fuel sender is in the full position the rheostat is creating 90 ohms of resistance to ground.  Because the gauge is reading a resistance to ground having proper grounding of the sending unit is essential to get an accurate reading on your fuel gauge.

 

 

 

How do I test my fuel sender?

A fuel sender can be bench tested with a multimeter.  With the multimeter set to the Ω setting put the red probe on the post that is the gauge lead and put the black probe on the ground post or on the body of the fuel sender.  Record your readings with the fuel sender in the empty position and in the full position.  Those two numbers will tell you the ohm range is of your sender.

 

Why does my gauge read backwards?

The first step would be to make sure that you have the proper ohm range fuel sender to match your gauges.  For example a 73-10 ohm fuel sender would read backwards on a 0-90 ohm fuel gauge.  If you find you have the correct ohm range fuel sender make sure that the float arm is installed on the correct side.  The front of the rheostat shows which side the float should stick out from.  If the float arm is installed on the other side the gauge will read backwards.  Also if the rheostat is installed upside down the gauge will read backwards.

 

I took my sender apart and now it doesn't work.

If for some reason you have disassembled your sender and now can't get it to read check the following:

1. Make sure that the bracket is in full contact with the flange.  There should be full continuity between the metal strip between the rheostat and the bracket and the bracket and the flange.
2. Make sure that the center gauge lead post is isolated from the flange and bracket.  If that post is grounding out you will only see zero ohms on a gauge or multimeter.

I'll post the instructions in a minute but the float rod length is a function of the tank depth and I'll take measurements tomorrow on tank depth but as I recall the tank depth is under a foot and thus the float rod length is under 8 inches.