gungeey Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) Apparantly there is a $$$Pricey repop out there, mine was cracked apart, I was fortunate enough to come across this one. Once it goes on the door it's not coming off. Is there any expertise regarding the process of reproducing these? If so, what might a minimum run be and the cost for the project? Size is a roughly 16" by 5" by 3" deep Just a thought.. Steve9236 Edited July 24, 2018 by gungeey grammar (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DualQuadDave Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Stay far away from the repops from opgi. Complete garbage. I can't believe they even had the balls to offer those. I had one customer buy one set, and after seeing them, I refused to put them on. Would require substantial reconstruction to work, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 It's not hard to reconstruct what you have. As DDQ says "Stay away....." You've seen what they're calling a package tray, haven't you? Should be fair warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mckenzie Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Keep what you have ,repair and repaint. 5 min. epoxy ,or cyanoacrylate (crazy glue) reinforce the cracks on the backside with fiberglass matt and glue . Flip it over ,body filler over any imperfections. Paint to match. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Scott Mckenzie said: Keep what you have ,repair and repaint. 5 min. epoxy ,or cyanoacrylate (crazy glue) reinforce the cracks on the backside with fiberglass matt and glue . Flip it over ,body filler over any imperfections. Paint to match. Been there, done that. I used the fiberglass mat on the back side and rather than mixing up resin, I used two part epoxy and worked it around with a body putty spreader. On the front, I used the cyanoacyrlate in the crack. Sanded it and used the sanding dust with some more super glue to fill in the crack. Sanded it again and painted it. That panel is probably stronger than it was originally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Curran Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 JB Weld works pretty good too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 I don't need to fix it, this one is perfect I was asking if anyone knew particulars of making a batch of them with this one as a template. My brother in laws neighbor is going to make a dozen, will see if there's a calling for them, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Pat Curran said: JB Weld works pretty good too! Hey Pat it's Steve from Wayland MA, I see you in CT now: You gonna be the NE Coordinator again maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Is it entirely hidden by trim or exposed? Is it just plastic or sheet metal (not sure if that is rust or simply dirt)? I've taken my door panels off, but I can't quite visualize which part this is exactly, and the pics posted are blurry as hell. If its already plastic (and thus not high loads) and not exposed to the cabin, this is a perfect application for 3D printing. If its metal, it looks like it could be reengineered as a sheet metal part. I know of a few companies that do low-volume sheetmetal parts. Curious how much these are going for these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riv2x4 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 9 hours ago, gungeey said: I don't need to fix it, this one is perfect I was asking if anyone knew particulars of making a batch of them with this one as a template. My brother in laws neighbor is going to make a dozen, will see if there's a calling for them, Steve Is he making both sides? What material is he using for production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 Plastic same stuff a s a pipe: PVC only the drivers side...it'll be a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Hazdaz said: Is it entirely hidden by trim or exposed? Is it just plastic or sheet metal (not sure if that is rust or simply dirt)? I've taken my door panels off, but I can't quite visualize which part this is exactly, and the pics posted are blurry as hell. If its already plastic (and thus not high loads) and not exposed to the cabin, this is a perfect application for 3D printing. If its metal, it looks like it could be reengineered as a sheet metal part. I know of a few companies that do low-volume sheetmetal parts. Curious how much these are going for these days. It's the base the pwr windows and seat latch onto in a custom interior, you may have the standard interior if so it doesn't apply, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riv2x4 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, gungeey said: Plastic same stuff a s a pipe: PVC only the drivers side...it'll be a while I'm interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mckenzie Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Back in the day these would have been injection moulded to get front and back (with all the support ribs) done in one go. The tool and die makers machine the mold . 3D printing would be interesting to see , I wonder about the cost but intrigued by the process. please keep me posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 4 hours ago, gungeey said: It's the base the pwr windows and seat latch onto in a custom interior, you may have the standard interior if so it doesn't apply, Steve Do I have a standard interior? Went out there quick and still not sure which part this is. At first I thought it was the armrest with the cut out to pull the door closed, but going out to the car, the parts don't look to match anything on the door at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivman Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 54 minutes ago, Hazdaz said: Do I have a standard interior? Went out there quick and still not sure which part this is. At first I thought it was the armrest with the cut out to pull the door closed, but going out to the car, the parts don't look to match anything on the door at all. No, you have the deluxe interior. The piece discussed is the one in the red triangle below … It is the piece below the switches. Here is a clearer picture of it … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Oh! Yeah, that pic helps a lot. So how much are they asking for that part? That's just the kind of part that could be printed. The bigger issue is the vinyl wrap on it. That part might be more complicated than 3D printing it (once its designed correctly, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivman Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 They weren't wrapped when original, they were molded the color of the interior. The one you show might have been damaged or changed or something previously, and then it was wrapped to cover up any problems? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 So would the stock part be more like the trim piece between the rear seats below the speaker grill? Mine is sheetmetal and painted a blue color close to the rest of the interior. I almost think if this door piece was painted the same color, it might look better - break up all the vinyl that is everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivman Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hazdaz said: So would the stock part be more like the trim piece between the rear seats below the speaker grill? Mine is sheetmetal and painted a blue color close to the rest of the interior. I almost think if this door piece was painted the same color, it might look better - break up all the vinyl that is everywhere else. No, it isn't like the piece you're referring to, I believe that piece is metal and textured, and then painted/dyed the correct interior color. Originally both pieces under the door handle and the switches was a molded plastic piece with a smooth finish to it. If both of yours are covered with vinyl they have been changed from what it was originally. So, originally there would be a break in the vinyl because those were smooth finished pieces to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 That plastic piece along with the diecast part to which the switches are installed would NOT be present in a custom interior equipped car IF the car did not have power windows. You would only have the arm rest with the large plastic piece under it. The picture below is of a '63 with custom interior and manual windows. 1965 Passengers door panel with manual windows. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I like the look with the extra piece. I'd be down to measuring the piece up and modeling it up in CAD and making a prototype. I see OPGI has them for almost $300 each side and you guys said they weren't even that good. Biggest problem being is that mine is obviously still on my car (and covered in vinyl so it would be more difficult to measure correctly) and I have other issues (stupid electrical!) I need taking care of first on the Riv that I can't be starting up another project right now. If anyone is in the CT area and wants to lend me one, I can measure it up and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 The "extra" piece is much more practical than putting the window switches on the door panel like was done on the cars that came equipped with standard interior and power windows. As long as it's there and practical, it might as well look good. IMHO, I think the pieces look really rich covered in vinyl rather than just being painted. Covering mine might be another "tweak" to keep in mind for my 64.. The vinyl would also be a good way to cover less than perfect repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Hazdaz said: I like the look with the extra piece. I'd be down to measuring the piece up and modeling it up in CAD and making a prototype. I see OPGI has them for almost $300 each side and you guys said they weren't even that good. Biggest problem being is that mine is obviously still on my car (and covered in vinyl so it would be more difficult to measure correctly) and I have other issues (stupid electrical!) I need taking care of first on the Riv that I can't be starting up another project right now. If anyone is in the CT area and wants to lend me one, I can measure it up and go from there. I agree I think your interior is nicely done and in keeping with the original look, you probably have some cracking under there and that served as a simple remedy and "upgrade" for the prior owner... a win-win.. With all that said I will hand over the torch to you to get these made for the riv owners that might desire one, I would think this is the piece that would get the most stress of all of them, the long one behind it moistly hangs from the armrest. This V piece is the one everybody presses on with excessive pressure to get those old window switched to operate. This way I can put my door panel back on my driver ( and DRIVE it) plus I dont have to lay out 900-1000 bucks and hope to recuperate... never did like the "HOPE PLAN"! All good news..I get to wrap up and drive tomorrow AM, Sounds good to me! Steve9236 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, gungeey said: With all that said I will hand over the torch to you to get these made for the riv owners that might desire one, I would think this is the piece that would get the most stress of all of them, the long one behind it moistly hangs from the armrest. This V piece is the one everybody presses on with excessive pressure to get those old window switched to operate. Most of my experience with seeing ones that are cracked shows that they appear to be kicked with the left foot in order to open the door wider. Pressure from above would not crack them down the middle, maybe across the top, but that large die cast piece is going to disperse pressure over a large surface. Besides, the pressure you apply to the switches for the windows and the seats is for and aft, not down. I'll continue to repair them as they occur. Ed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margozzi Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 On 7/27/2018 at 6:44 PM, gungeey said: I don't need to fix it, this one is perfect I was asking if anyone knew particulars of making a batch of them with this one as a template. My brother in laws neighbor is going to make a dozen, will see if there's a calling for them, Steve Hi, did your brother in laws neighbor eve make the deluxe arm rests for the 65 Rivi? I would be interested in a set for the driver and passenger side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 On 7/28/2018 at 9:21 PM, RivNut said: The "extra" piece is much more practical than putting the window switches on the door panel like was done on the cars that came equipped with standard interior and power windows. As long as it's there and practical, it might as well look good. IMHO, I think the pieces look really rich covered in vinyl rather than just being painted. Covering mine might be another "tweak" to keep in mind for my 64.. The vinyl would also be a good way to cover less than perfect repairs. Ed, you will not surprised when I tell you I have repaired the window control support piece. The plastic that has the screw holes were broken away. I replaced the plastic and drilled the hole for the screws. The part number reads 4876733 L. H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted December 30, 2022 Author Share Posted December 30, 2022 15 hours ago, margozzi said: Hi, did your brother in laws neighbor eve make the deluxe arm rests for the 65 Rivi? I would be interested in a set for the driver and passenger side. Between these guys patching/gluing/bondoing theirs and the abundance of good used available, we passed. I'll look for you, Margozzi, wait a minute... (One minute passes) Here ya go 50 bucks with shipping: 1965 1964 1963 Buick Riviera Deluxe interior Arm Rest | eBay If I was a real pr!ck I'd buy it and sell it to you, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, gungeey said: Between these guys patching/gluing/bondoing theirs and the abundance of good used available, we passed. I'll look for you, Margozzi, wait a minute... (One minute passes) Here ya go 50 bucks with shipping: 1965 1964 1963 Buick Riviera Deluxe interior Arm Rest | eBay If I was a real pr!ck I'd buy it and sell it to you, right? You don’t know your materials. Mine is not bondo, glue, or anything like glue. My material is probably stronger than 60 year old plastic. Make a great buy. You lead the league in squeezing the Buffalo. $50.00 for original like one shown is too low, should be more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted December 30, 2022 Author Share Posted December 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, Turbinator said: You don’t know your materials. Mine is not bondo, glue, or anything like glue. My material is probably stronger than 60 year old plastic. Make a great buy. You lead the league in squeezing the Buffalo. $50.00 for original like one shown is too low, should be more. I'll give the guy a 24hr head start, Bob. Then swoop down on it with a vengeance😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera63 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) That vendor "fostermom1962" is Steve Lorenzen. Great guy and you know you will get a quality part from him. When you see something of his on e-bay, contact him directly. You may be able to save some money. Bill Edited December 30, 2022 by Riviera63 (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 His ads are also in the Riview under the same handle. Everything I’ve purchased from Steve has been top quality. Steve also does excellent repairs on ‘65 headlight motors and gets your four note horns working again. You’d be surprised at what he has for sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 6 hours ago, gungeey said: Between these guys patching/gluing/bondoing theirs and the abundance of good used available, we passed. I'll look for you, Margozzi, wait a minute... (One minute passes) Here ya go 50 bucks with shipping: 1965 1964 1963 Buick Riviera Deluxe interior Arm Rest | eBay If I was a real pr!ck I'd buy it and sell it to you, right? If you were really smart ( and you did not know the other fellow) you’d buy it for $50.00 and resell in another channel for $100.00. I’m that smart, just not that hungry. Turbinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted December 30, 2022 Author Share Posted December 30, 2022 Just now, Turbinator said: If you were really smart ( and you did not know the other fellow) you’d buy it for $50.00 and resell in another channel for $100.00. I’m that smart, just not that hungry. Turbinator I'm too poor to spend 50 bucks on that. I can buy glue and fiberglass and paint for $48😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 1 minute ago, gungeey said: I'm too poor to spend 50 bucks on that. I can buy glue and fiberglass and paint for $48😜 Now, I know you don’t know your materials. $48.00 is way too much for the job. Really, the price for the item is always the seller’s prerogative to ask anything. The Marketplace channel is pain but they do buy and pay. EBay fees are mob related mentality. I sold a $1600 item I ended up giving eBay $224.00 of the deal-14%. Now that is stupid on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XframeFX Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 16 hours ago, gungeey said: Here ya go 50 bucks with shipping: SOLD! On 7/24/2018 at 4:14 PM, gungeey said: Once it goes on the door it's not coming off. Careful on this piece. Having examined a few, I'm convinced the early '63s had a different angle for both sides and the chrome panel too (can be identified without a tab at the rear). I did a bang up job repairing my broken panel with silver epoxy only to find it didn't fit! With the door card already in place and almost done, I forced it down with the top screw and noticed the plastic starting to crack and my panel repair went awry. "Once the Door Card is on, it's not coming off!" A little venting I know but, Riviera production back then! Angle mismatch at the X: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 Frustration was setting in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, gungeey said: Frustration was setting in here. How could that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gungeey Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Turbinator said: How could that be? That's the best time to buy a car. When the owner is sick and tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbinator Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, gungeey said: That's the best time to buy a car. When the owner is sick and tired of it. Take a break and come back to it. if you need parts I’ll sell at bargain basement prices. No need to aggravate you on this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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