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16 hours ago, AntiqueCraftsman said:

I just went out and looked at these engines.  They sure look pretty close to being the same.   Hey, at least I'll have a second 6 volt generator for my '47 Fleetline now.

Surely some of these parts will fit in a pinch.    So maybe I did the right thing grabbing this '54 after all.   Never hurts to have extra parts laying around.  The fuel pump looks identical too.  It has the glass bowel on the top too.   These engines really do look extremely similar.   And if the transmission and rear axle are interchangeable that's a plus too.

 

So I don't think I went too far wrong.

 

I wonder if these wheels will fit too?   It'd be nice to have extra wheels for the '47.  

 

Extra parts are always welcome here. ?

I`m pretty sure `48 was the last year for 6 bolt wheels on the Chevy passenger car, `54 is 5 bolt.

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42 minutes ago, pont35cpe said:

I`m pretty sure `48 was the last year for 6 bolt wheels on the Chevy passenger car, `54 is 5 bolt.

 

Yep, you're right.  So much for the wheels.  That's a bummer.   Although my '47 has really nice wheels.  Someone must have bought all new wheels for it somewhere along the way.  Surely the wheels that are on it aren't vintage '47.   They all look like brand new wheels.   So I have really nice wheels for the '47 including the spare. 

 

I'll keep these '54 wheels anyway.  Never know when I might get another car they might fit. ?

 

I was shocked and amazed at how easy the lug nuts came off.  I thought they'd be frozen on there so bad I'd be breaking studs.  But nope, they all came off fairly easy.  Nice surprise there.

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Can't help remembering how you asked about restoring the interior on your 47 and when I pointed you to a professionally made interior kit for half price you couldn't afford it. But you can afford to blow $200 bucks and an weekend to buy another project. Wish I could say I don't understand but unfortunately I do.

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22 minutes ago, Rusty_OToole said:

But you can afford to blow $200 bucks and an weekend to buy another project. Wish I could say I don't understand but unfortunately I do.

 

Like creating a topic with a rhetorical question, huh.

 

16 hours ago, Bhigdog said:

You obviously don't understand how I work at my shop.

 

I liked that one, too.

Bernie

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18 minutes ago, Rusty_OToole said:

Can't help remembering how you asked about restoring the interior on your 47 and when I pointed you to a professionally made interior kit for half price you couldn't afford it. But you can afford to blow $200 bucks and an weekend to buy another project. Wish I could say I don't understand but unfortunately I do.

 

The interior "kit" that you pointed to was $1500, and that was the "half-off" price.  They wanted over $3000 for it originally.   Granted all the work was done and it would just be a matter of screwing the new door panels in place.  Easy job to be sure!  But still, lots of money for the parts.  Plus could I really say that I restored the car myself when all I did was buy restored parts and screw them on?

 

Instead I chose to spend $150 on canvas and Naugahyde and sew up my own new door panels and seat covers.   That job's coming along pretty well.  And I'm using an antique Singer sewing machine too boot.   People were telling me that I would need a $1000 professional upholstery sewing machine with a "walking foot".   But this old Singer works just fine.   You just have to know what you're doing to do use.  You have to "help" the material through the foot. It's no big deal.   It's working out just great.

 

So this is TEN TIMES less money spent.   Granted it will require TEN TIMES more labor on my part, but at least when I'm done with the job I can sing "I did it my way". ?

 

Then seeing that I saved $1350 on this interior job I figured I owed myself at least a $200 parts car.

 

I'm actually looking at another car right now too for $500,...

 

It's a 1956 Buick Super 2-dr.  A fairly rare automobile.  It's basically a 2-dr coupe on a Roadmaster chassis.

 

The only problem with this car is that it's a lot further from me, so a lot bigger trip to go get it.   That's the bit obstacle there.  If this car was close to me it would already be sitting in my back yard as we speak.  Trust me on that one! 

 

 


 

 

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3 minutes ago, Xander Wildeisen said:

Looks like a four door hard top to me.

By golly I think you're right.  It does look like there's a rear door handle back there.  I thought he said it was a 2-dr coupe.

 

Well, it's too far away anyhow.  I'm not going to drive that far to get it.   But yeah, if it was right next door I'd probably take it even as a 4-dr.

 

It's hard to find an old car that complete for only $500.   At least around here where I live in Pennsylvania.

 

Out in the dry western states there are probably quite a few decent old cars laying around.  But in PA they turn into a pile of rust overnight.

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Weren’t you allowed to have any toys as a kid??  I know how easy it is to try and rescue the next mutt that comes along.  I tried that with motorcycles.  They don’t take up much room and they often go for cheap money.  Eventually I found my sanity and kept just 3 at present count.  And I’m paralyzed and missing my right leg and yet I have three motorcycles.  No sanity in that decision to keep them for sure.  Enjoy!

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What a bunch of party poopers you guys are.

 

I can't even get any sympathy on an antique car forum.  This speaks volumes of how utterly worthless the Internet is. ?

 

Ok, let me explain my flavor of mental illness, and maybe I can squeak out a few drops of empathy.

 

What I really wanted was an old pick-up truck from the early '30's.   I couldn't find anything suitable for a rebuild at a reasonable price.  Especially locally.   I did find some junk that was just a body on frame (basically a "roller" with no engine or drive train, usually no interior, and often with no glass either.   And even then the price for a totally empty carcass was more than I had in mind.

 

Then one day I saw a local ad for a 1930 Ford sedan project car, complete and RUNS for $900.

 

I nearly broke my fingers pushing the buttons on my phone to call the guy.  Only a few miles from my house too!  Unfortunately, he was already filling out the paper work with the lucky buyer.

 

I was sick to my stomach for a month after that.   I'll never see a deal like that again.   I'll grant you it wasn't a pick up truck.  But it was a 1930 Ford Sedan for only $900.

 

I said to myself, "Ok that's it!  I'm buying the first complete old car I can find at a decent prices, and I don't care what it is".   So I set up Craiglist to send me alerts for anything from 1900, clear up to 1960.   My only criteria is that it needs to be complete with all glass, engine and drive train and be really CHEAP. (hee hee)

 

I waited for months before I finally got my '47 Fleetline that met this criteria.    And I'm still pinching myself with disbelief that I got such a fine specimen for the price I wanted.

 

It has all the glass, the body is really decent.  It runs, and moves under its own power.  Had a complete interior, only needed reupholstered.   It's a GREAT DEAL, and I'd consider myself extremely lucky to do as well again.   Especially for a 1947.  I love those OLD cars.  It's not quite a 1930, but still not bad, considering that I was even going to settle for something from the 60's.

 

So anyway, I'm still getting alerts from Craiglist that meet my criteria.    That's where I found this parts car for $200.   And by the way that's the cheapest car I've ever seen on Craiglist yet in ANY condition.

 

The '56 Buick was actually listed at $1000, but when I called the guy he said he would take $500 for it.   It's not a 1930 pick up  truck.  It's not even a stick shift.  But it's only $500!   Owl take it!    And I would have too had it been closer.  I'm just too lazy to drive that far to get it.

 

I guess what I really need to do is go back into Craiglist and turn off those alerts huh?

 

I've been getting quite a few of them.  Most are way too expensive for the absolute junk they truly are.   Anything really decent is usually either extremely expensive, or already sold by the time I break my fingers dialing the phone number.

 

On a positive note.  I have seen some pretty nice cars from the 60's for between $2000 to $3000.   These are cars you could just jump in and start driving right away.

 

But I really wanted something older.

 

I should just be happy with the '47 Fleetline I already got.  I do feel very LUCKY to have picked that baby up.

 

If I find another deal like like that I'm buying it!

 

I don't care what you party poopers say.

 

 

 

 

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The big problem is being cheap.  The age old phrase you get what yo pay for comes to mind.  Spend more up front (even if you have to borrow a couple of grand)  to buy a much better car that you really want in the first place.   No sense in buying something you don't really want just because it's something. 

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5 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

The big problem is being cheap.  The age old phrase you get what yo pay for comes to mind.  Spend more up front (even if you have to borrow a couple of grand)  to buy a much better car that you really want in the first place.   No sense in buying something you don't really want just because it's something. 

 

I could just call my sister up if I wanted that kind of advice.

 

I joined an antique car forum on the internet in the hopes of finding people as nuts as myself. 

 

I agree, it would be nice to just buy the dream vehicle.  But the prices are simply too high.  To begin with I'm not going to pay big bucks for something I'm going to need to work on for a couple years anyway.  And something that's ready to just jump in and drive away isn't going to be just $2000.   Especially not something I "Truly Want".   I've seen some decent cars that are derivable for that price, but they aren't want I "truly want" either.   So why pay big bucks for something I don't really want?

 

I didn't really want a '47 Fleetline either.  I "settled" for it because the price was right.  And guess what?  It's really grown on me.   I'm very happy with this car now.  I really really really like it.  Way more than I thought I would.   But then again it's SOLID AS A ROCK.   It's a really nice car.   I really lucked out to get this baby for sure.   And no regrets buying the '47 Fleetline. 

 

I'm not looking for a second project car because I've lost interest in the Fleetline.   I would just like to end up with more than one antique car.   I'm greedy that way.

 

I actually have a '92 Ford Pick-up that I kind of consider to be an "antique" already.   No air bag, manual shift, manual window cranks.   It's a pretty basic truck.  I love it.

 

I really wanted an older truck just for the appearance.  It's certainly not something I actually "need".  (don't tell my sister)

 

Although I could actually use four of them.  Why?  Because I have a "Riverboat" that comes apart in four sections and needs to be towed on four trailers.  So my real "dream" is to  have four old pickup trucks just to two this four-piece riverboat down to the river.

 

From a practical point of view the trucks should be in the late forties.  Something like this:

 

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Four of those would be ideal.

 

But I can't even find one!  Especially not at the price I want to pay. (ha ha)

 

So I'll just end up with a bunch of other old cars and drive them around whilst dreaming of the four pick-up trucks I never had.

 

Four of the following would be even cooler.   But may not as practical in terms of actually hauling the Riverboat sections.

 

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I  have tons of dreams, but no money to make them come true.

 

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It's easy,  dream a little less (doesn't mean give up on them) ,  work a little more.  That's how I did it.  I'm sure many others on here as well.  Also live a bit frugal doesn't hurt either.  While all the other guys are buying lunch out,  Bring yours in a bag,   It doesn't take long to save enough money to buy a decent car. 

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20 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

It's easy,  dream a little less (doesn't mean give up on them) ,  work a little more.  That's how I did it.  I'm sure many others on here as well.  Also live a bit frugal doesn't hurt either.  While all the other guys are buying lunch out,  Bring yours in a bag,   It doesn't take long to save enough money to buy a decent car. 

 

I already bring my lunch in a bag.  I'm at a level of poverty that probably isn't respectable to even talk about.

 

Also, please don't mistake anything I've said as "complaining".   I'm not complaining, I'm just telling it like it is.

 

The most realistic dream would be to just grab four 1992 Ford pick ups like the one I already have.  I got mine for exactly $1000.    I could probably grab three more at the same price and I'd have my fleet of four pick ups for a mere $4000.   Of course they wouldn't be antiques.   But having the antique trucks is the "dream".

 

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I could have four of those pretty quick.   That's basically what I'm currently driving.   No frills.  6-cyl, 4-speed stick, with roll up windows.  It does have air conditioning too.  Mine is also 2wd.  Mine isn't quite as sharp as the one pictured here, but pretty darn close.

 

I could have four of these for $4000 fairly quickly.

 

But try doing that with a 1948 Ford Pick-up.   Not so easy.

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So you buy and sell a few of those trucks.  Find the best deal on them,  clean them up and resell them for a 1000- 500 profit.  Do that 4 times and you have 2G to 4G.  That's about enough to start looking for an old truck.  Maybe not the 48 but something else.  Do that one up a bit,  then you are in the 48 Territory.   Not sure in your state but in ours,  you can sell 4 cars or less and not be considered a dealer per year.  5 makes you a dealer.  Most of us worked our way up doing something similar,  usually adding a few bucks each time.  Eventually you get far enough up,  you split the sale and end up with 2 cars.  From there it continues to grow.  You do odd jobs even detailing cars or something on the side for a little extra cash.  Mow some lawns,  whatever it takes.  There is money to be made in most places if you are willing,  especially doing the hot dirty jobs.    With ebay anyone can make a few bucks from anywhere in the country,  You just have to see what sells then go out and find it.  

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Good looking truck for $1,000 bucks. Goes to show you that there are good buys if you look around. Vintage trucks are everywhere in farm states. Go to local auctions, beat up old trucks can be had for less than you think. Sounds like you can build one, and keep costs down. Lots of car I would like to own, If one comes in, one or two will go out. More is not always better. Buy the best one you can afford, and find.

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4 minutes ago, auburnseeker said:

With ebay anyone can make a few bucks from anywhere in the country,  You just have to see what sells then go out and find it.  

 

You are indeed right.   There are ways to make money on the Internet.  And I have been looking into that.  I build robots and I've been thinking about starting a YouTube channel with robot building tutorials.  From what I understand there's money to be made on YouTube.  I'm not sure how the money is made, but it is something I'm looking into.  Making YouTube videos on robotics would probably be far less work than trying to buy and sell trucks or cars.

 

Although I've actually been thinking about doing that as well.  I might make some money on this '54 Chevy I just bought.  I was out there today taking parts off it.   It needs to be disassembled anyway.  So I'm working on it.

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Depending on how clean the cars and trucks are and how much work they need.  I have made the most money on cars that I did the least to.  The ones I spent alot of time and money  on,  I barely got my money for the parts I put on them back. 

You can make money on parts on ebay,  but I will tell you sedan specific parts are going to be real slow movers.  Anything that can be used on a Convt or hardtop will be an easier usually more profitable sale.    Best selling pieces are usually Chrome (plated) parts.  Stainless doesn't sell real well as it can be straightened and polished without any sort of plating.  Good crack free plastic parts usually sell as well.  Big rusty sheetmetal is best used for siding on your garage.  

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5 hours ago, AntiqueCraftsman said:

 

The interior "kit" that you pointed to was $1500, and that was the "half-off" price.  They wanted over $3000 for it originally.   Granted all the work was done and it would just be a matter of screwing the new door panels in place.  Easy job to be sure!  But still, lots of money for the parts.  Plus could I really say that I restored the car myself when all I did was buy restored parts and screw them on?

 

Instead I chose to spend $150 on canvas and Naugahyde and sew up my own new door panels and seat covers.   That job's coming along pretty well.  And I'm using an antique Singer sewing machine too boot.   People were telling me that I would need a $1000 professional upholstery sewing machine with a "walking foot".   But this old Singer works just fine.   You just have to know what you're doing to do use.  You have to "help" the material through the foot. It's no big deal.   It's working out just great.

 

So this is TEN TIMES less money spent.   Granted it will require TEN TIMES more labor on my part, but at least when I'm done with the job I can sing "I did it my way". ?

 

Then seeing that I saved $1350 on this interior job I figured I owed myself at least a $200 parts car.

 

I'm actually looking at another car right now too for $500,...

 

It's a 1956 Buick Super 2-dr.  A fairly rare automobile.  It's basically a 2-dr coupe on a Roadmaster chassis.

 

The only problem with this car is that it's a lot further from me, so a lot bigger trip to go get it.   That's the bit obstacle there.  If this car was close to me it would already be sitting in my back yard as we speak.  Trust me on that one! 

 

 


 

 

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I've been watching this car, wish I could afford it myself, but might could hel0 u get it!

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That A is overpriced.  ton and 1/2 or even 1 ton trucks are alot cheaper than regular pickups.  Problem is some of them are a bit tough to get parts for as they are heavy duty and not alot of reproduction parts exist for them mechanically if you are putting it back to original.  Look for a small fire truck if you want a ton and 1/2.  Some of those come up real cheap and the fire bodies sometimes were set inside the box if they are 1 ton or less.  Swap out those 4 trucks you know of so you can come up with 4 to 5 grand cash and we will show you a pile of good trucks for the money.  Some that might even make you take a second look.  Some year Internationals look good and are usually cheaper than Ford or Chevy trucks. 

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3 hours ago, wndsofchng06 said:

I've been watching this car, wish I could afford it myself, but might could hel0 u get it!

Have you called the guy?  He's real easy to talk with.   He says in the ad the price is negotiable.  I called him and offered him $500.  He didn't cringe.  In fact, he said he wanted to talk it over with his wife and he'd get back to me.  But he never called back.  That was about a week ago.   I was going to call him back and see what his answer was, but then I just decided I didn't want to drive that far.   Although for me it's only about 100 miles.   I just don't feel like making the trip right now.

 

If you call him and offer him $500 there's a good chance he'll take it.   He says in the ad "save it from the scrap yard".    So apparently he's thinking about taking it in for metal scrap prices.  I don't think he''d get much more then $300 to $400 max at the scrap yard.  If that.   So he'd be better off selling it for $500 and let someone else haul it away.

 

He needs to get it out of there, so he doesn't want to hang onto it too much longer.

 

Let me know if you pick it up.

 

Supposedly the only part that is missing is the 4bbl carb.  A $300 item for a "new refurbished" one.  Or hopefully you could find a cheap used carb somewhere.

 

He also says the starter motor is in the trunk.  He didn't say why it was taken off.  Probably something wrong with the starter motor too.  But at least you have the starter and could possibly repair it.

 

Pick it up and save it from the scrap yard.

 

I'll subscribe to your restoration thread and watch you restore it. ?

 

I originally thought it was a 2-dr.  But apparently it's a 4-dr.  That doesn't bother me.  I'd take it anyway.


Call him up and offer him $500.  What do you have to lose?

 

It's a cool looking car.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rusty_OToole said:

A 92 may not be an antique now but just wait 20 years. That's what I did with my 66 Dodge, bought it for $50 bucks and waited 20 years.

 

I love it!  And to me it is an antique with hand-crank windows and a very simple 3-speed stick and 6-cyl engine.   It's my "antique truck".

 

But let's face it, it's not quite as cool as a truck from the 40's.  But it's a lot cheaper to work on fer sure!

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1 hour ago, AntiqueCraftsman said:

 

 

That;s more like it.  Encouragement I'd never get from any other source.  This is the beauty of the Internet! ?

 

I am not sure from the title of the thread "54 Belair an impossible restoration?" if you desired encouragement or honesty. (it is not a belair by the way it is a 210) The internet is like sitting in a bar and asking for an opinion, sooner or later someone will give you the answer you need to hear. Most of the time it is the bartender to get you to spend more money while he encourages you.  Yes any car can be restored, but it comes for a price, regardless of who does the work. You could buy one in much better shape for very little more. In almost 50 years of being around this hobby I have seen this story numerous times, and only one was ever done, all the rest went on to become a parts cars for the next guy, at huge financial loss for the seller.

If you think you can get it done, well I am not the one to question it. Would I do it,? never.......  I would not even consider it for free, but thats me. having a garage full of spare engines, transmissions, heads, and windshields that I never needed in over 40 years and some for cars i don't even own anymore . There is nobody really knocking my door down for then either

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27 minutes ago, John348 said:

 

I am not sure from the title of the thread "54 Belair an impossible restoration?" if you desired encouragement or honesty. (it is not a belair by the way it is a 210) The internet is like sitting in a bar and asking for an opinion, sooner or later someone will give you the answer you need to hear. Most of the time it is the bartender to get you to spend more money while he encourages you.  Yes any car can be restored, but it comes for a price, regardless of who does the work. You could buy one in much better shape for very little more. In almost 50 years of being around this hobby I have seen this story numerous times, and only one was ever done, all the rest went on to become a parts cars for the next guy, at huge financial loss for the seller.

If you think you can get it done, well I am not the one to question it. Would I do it,? never.......  I would not even consider it for free, but thats me. having a garage full of spare engines, transmissions, heads, and windshields that I never needed in over 40 years and some for cars i don't even own anymore . There is nobody really knocking my door down for then either

Good luck ,  

That's some funny stuff right there.:lol: 

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36 minutes ago, John348 said:

I would not even consider it for free, but thats me. having a garage full of spare engines, transmissions, heads, and windshields that I never needed in over 40 years and some for cars i don't even own anymore .

Well, see.  You've already been buying a bunch of junk for decades that you never needed.   Apparently you're already a well-seasoned member of this sort of addiction.

 

I feel like I'm at a meeting of JCA  "Junk Cars Anonymous".

 

Thanks for giving your testimony.  Owl take that into consideration the next time I feel the urge to buy more junk.

 

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19 minutes ago, AntiqueCraftsman said:

Well, see.  You've already been buying a bunch of junk for decades that you never needed.   Apparently you're already a well-seasoned member of this sort of addiction.

 

I feel like I'm at a meeting of JCA  "Junk Cars Anonymous".

 

Thanks for giving your testimony.  Owl take that into consideration the next time I feel the urge to buy more junk.

 

 Very true, so I can only share my mistakes. However I have restored a few very high caliber cars doing the majority of the work myself, and it still cost a small fortune. Remember this nobody figure shipping into the cost of a restoration and is almost 1/4  of the total cost. 

By the way those spare parts were accumulated for cars that all ended up being restored, and I still never needed the parts. I had the discretionary cash to purchase them and it did not take away from the finances needed to restore the car 

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46 minutes ago, 54vicky said:

I have to ask what is owl? you used that expression a couple of times

 

Owl - a nocturnal bird of prey with large forward-facing eyes surrounded by facial disks,  also an artistic substitute for the contraction "I'll", that is often used by AntiqueCraftsman during cyber communications on Internet forums.  He also uses this artistic substitution in verbal communications as well, but it may go unnoticed in those situations depending on the vernacular dialect locally spoken.

 

Where I grew up everyone pronounced "I'll" as "owl".  Owl do this, and owl do that, and owl be right back.

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This is what 8G will get you here in the East.  This is actually a pretty good deal if you follow these trucks.

https://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/d/1949-chevroletton-pickup-truck/6645033891.html

 

Not sure what part of the country you are in,  but they can be had cheaper down south and out west.  With some diligence this kind of thing can be found almost anywhere in this price range or better.  

A perfect user truck just as she sits.  IF you were seriously looking borrowing the money if necessary is the way to go,  especially if you can come up with the first few grand.  What you will start with for any less,  will cost you twice as much to get to this shape unless you get really lucky on a cheap buy in,  but trucks are hot right now.  Usually Fords are even a little cheaper.

 

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Not counting the Corvette, a 1954 Chevrolet of any body style is particularly rare, even convertibles and station wagons.  As others have clearly stated, if your heart is really set on a 1954 Chev, buy the nicest one you can find; especially considering there are enough out there to 'shop around' for what you really want.

 

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A few of those Xander might be a bit much for the average hobbiest to take to the Dairy queen,;)  but one like that IH really have some appeal.  I kind of like that one myself.  4wd,  probably has at best 410 gears if not something even bigger in it. still pretty cool and original looking.  

Too bad they weren't like that here in the east.  Out west you get patina.  In the east we just have heavy rust.

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3 minutes ago, Xander Wildeisen said:

Lots of stuff out there for sale. Cars/trucks in all price ranges. A project, driver or finished car can be bought at a good price, and if someone has the skills. You can have a nice car to drive around, and not brake the bank. 

 

You can always tell a good mechanic by the way they spell "Brake the bank". ?

 

 

 

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