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I agree with all and have spent much time trying to figure out why I have had so much scale issues in my home state.  Since my trailer is one of those previously mentioned 9,990 models and only 11 pounds under the 10,001 that puts me in class A non CDL in Maryland as well as California I do have a medical card and have previously been asked for it when stopped.  I don't intend to get A non-CDL yet!

I have done my homework and have discovered the Maryland issue.  Yes, as John stated Maryland is the only state I have towed in the requires a rig such as ours to go into the scales as we are all certainly over 10,000 GCVW.  The main reason for this is for the visual inspection process as unfortunately there have been a couple significant towed accidents here that caused loss of life thus creating the legislature to go beyond the 26,000# federal requirements(which they can).  A "half ton" pickup and "landscaper" trailer will always be over 10,000 GCVW and they get some legendary fines for the usual safety items ignored. It was this type of vehicle that caused a very serious accident on the Bay Bridge(not I95)

The Maryland Commercial book does NOT exempt our privately owned trucks or car trailers but in the fine print there is a statement that the section that Federal exemptions are in has been adopted by Maryland legislation.  The Maryland commercial book is the book that the scale house members train on as it has been shown to me previously.  I have met with our area state senator and delegate on this when I discovered it to have the book changed but it never has been.  I have received calls from MD DOT headquarters confirming that I am exempt if the truck and trailer are owned by me with my matching address on file with my class C driving license. Thus I carry the Federal and Maryland motor carrier books with me AND my luggage on the back seat.

A friend of mine tows with a motor home and a triple trailer like the one pictured and he is licensed in Delaware and the vehicles are licensed in Delaware.  He has never been stopped previously in Maryland but this spring was stopped near the Bay Bridge by a mobile Maryland DOT not on I95 and received a $1,500 fine for NOT being DOT licensed.  The reason was the motor home address was his business address and the trailer and his non CDL license were his home.  Thus he was deemed driving a not registered commercial rig in Maryland.  Due to Delaware taxes his best option was to obtain an A CDL license and register the motor home with the federal DOT!

 

Summary:  Make sure your stuff is correct while traveling through Maryland!  Odds are that you will get stopped even by a mobile unit or on I95 they occasionally set up a weekend only temporary scale house at the stadium lot on I95 and pull all units in for "inspection".

Ed my photos were Ford but like you. I am now GMC with the new Duramax.  Much more power and better fuel economy.

Robert

 

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Hi  Lets start by saying I live in Maryland 30 years now. Retired from state work.  Next I have a home in Baltimore so my truck and trailer are licence here. Next I have a home in WVA off of 70

so I go to WVA and back to Baltimore once a month. Now my big garage is in WVA,so I trailer my car or truck at least 2 a month, and have NEVER stoped at the scales.

 My truck is a 2015 dually my trailer is a 2017 vintage at 44 ft goose. Truck is 15,000 gwr trailer is 18,000 . I do have a Maryland  class A licence. no medical card needed for A maryland. Now here the trick my trailer has FULL Living Quarters bath, shower,stove, sink and a queen bed, so In the eys of maryland it's a RV. I have never ben stopped I run the speed and do not drive like a crazy person.

My stuff is clean and taken care of but I do not stop at the scales. You do not see RV in the scales, Motorhomes are well over 10,000 gvw and a lot with a trailer. Now when the truck and trailer do not match up they may be a problem but the might be a nother reason that your friend was stoped. Please rember that a CDL is commercial that neans that you get paid to haul somthing.

Now the big thing is a race team that wins prize money at a track or has a sponser can be commercial. If you are going to a show you pay to enter your car that is not commercial.We can so far 

as to look at last year tax forms.  One thing that will get you stopped in Maryland is if you have Example   Maryland tags on truck and Maine tags on trailer.

One last thing to remember is 65 ft overall. Most big motorhomes and a short trailer will be ok Example 40 ft motorhome 24ft trailer = 64 ft but you have 4 ft of toung so to long.

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Well gary, all I can say is what happened to me, and what the sign says "ALL VEHICLES OVER 10,000 POUNDS" 

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Johm348 I do not doubt what you said. But just think if (ALL VEHICLES OVER 10,000 POUNDS")  big long line to get to scale  had to stop then why do the RV not stop???

 If the vehicle is commerical it must stop,  But if not go past!!    Heck that would mean my one ton p/u would have to stop GWR 15,000 lbs. 

The big thing is ,are you commercial !!!commercial !!!     

 Its a fine line and I will tell you most LEO do not know what they are looking at. Now a LEO who is DOT or truck inspector will know what they are lookin at.

 

  

  

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Gary, I thought the first time was a mistake, so the second time I did pull off and asked the person at the scale "Am I supposed to stop here, I am non commercial" he said "yes sir" I tow my cars in many states and Maryland is the only one that says "ALL VEHICLES"

 

Just like the agricultural stop entering and leaving Florida that to is more specific stating all vehicles with trailers, rentals,  blah blah blah..... 

 

I am not commercial everything but. The initial time I was stopped my trailer was empty and he was questioning as to why, and did not think it was his business. I am just a retired guy going between my home in Florida and my home in NY who stores some of his cars in Florida,  his answer was (typical) "Ignorance and a failure to read and understand the law is no excuse"  and went on to tell me to share this with all of "my car club  buddies" "that Maryland is all vehicles not just commercial" 

And yes I drove past the Maryland scale south bound on I-95 two weeks ago and the was a real long line of vehicles. and yes there were RV's on that line I had no trailer so I went past but they seem to be now more prepared for the anticipated  traffic flow.

 

Do what you want, I personally just need to invite any of Maryland's finest trying to take my pension money. All I can do is share my experience which is similar to Robert's. I am not a retired law enforcement member so I don't have any magic ID cards, and I know the hard way debating the law with a law enforcement officer is not a going to be a winning proposition for me at the time and place of the situation

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bluefishgary:

 

Interesting comments from a fellow MD resident.

Yes your trailer is classed as an RV thus is exempt in the Maryland commercial book.  Your RV is exempt from stopping at the scales unless the power unit or the trailer has commercial logos.  My friend's big fine was that the motor home power unit was addressed to his business thus he was no longer exempt thus a pretty big fine. I am not sure how the MD DOT decided to stop him except I always suspect they ran the tag and knew they had found a commercial unit.

You must have a medical card in Maryland if towing 10,001 plus pounds no matter what the GCVW but since you are probably classed as RV probably exempt.

Yes I agree about your over length example as in that case you are exceeding Maryland OAL and that is a healthy fine also.

A friend is a long time drag strip owner very close to a Maryland scale even though his racing facility is in Delaware.  Yes, he is frustrated by some of the racer's experiences that have to go into the scale or have been stopped after running the scale but his advantage is that his busy times are Sunday's or Saturday night when the scales are usually closed.  Some of the racers have big corporate sponsors and that is a gray area as the business most of the time are writing off the sponsorship as a business expense but the individual racer usually doesn't reap any of the revenue as it goes into the race car and they don't file an expense report on the racing activity just like John or I don't expense our trips to a national show. 

To summarize I am not commercial and the GCVW is just under 26,000 but I have been random stopped a few times. And yes I have had my license clipped to a "book" and returned after getting to the scale house inspection area.  Yes we are legally required to stop as our trucks without trailer are well over 10,000 GVW but I have heard that isn't enforced but I have stopped at a scale with truck only and was green lighted.

Robert

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Let me ask a question, If you need a medical car for a class (A) in maryland please get me the reg # so I can look that up. Yes you must have a medical card for a CDL But not required for a 

class(A) in Maryland.    If you need it for class (A) Maryland how does a person get the drug testing (randon)??  All CDL holders are in the random pool the company that they work for can and does send you out when ever your number comes up.They have to send a %% of there CDL holders every month.I was sent out 3 times in one month.   When I was employed by the state we had to have a CDL (A) .

When I turned in my CDL(A) for a class (A) I was told no medical card needed!! Now in my former job I did accident investigation on Big rigs or Buses. I worked very closely with MSP

and still have manny friends who still work there. Just so you know I worked at MDOT/MTA

 

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Seems if you hit the scales your giving them the chance to bust your b**ls, drive by, they need manpower, and need to not be busy, after 300k and only two stops, I’ll keep driving bye them and make them chase me down. They can scale me, but since I  am never heavy, I’ll be on my way. On 84 to 81 MD s about twenty miles or so.......let them catch me.........

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Just some advice for anyone who tows a trailer that is more than a few years old. When you have time check the Vehicle Identification Number on your trailer. Most trailers have the V.I.N. printed on a decal/sticker on the side of the trailer. Over time, the sun fades the printed V.I.N. and it becomes unreadable. A friend was stopped in MD, when towing his trailer. The Trooper could not read the V.I.N. on his trailer when he tried to check the paperwork against the V.I.N. on the trailer. That was one EXPENSIVE citation. My friend called me and told me to check my trailer. Sure enough the V.I.N. on my trailer had faded and was unreadable. Lucky for me the trailer dealer where I bought my trailer (in MD)  engraved my trailer's V.I.N. on a metal plate which I then attached to my trailer. Turns out that this dealer had been getting a LOT of requests for metal V.I.N. plates but would only do it for customers who bought their trailer from them if the dealer still had the paperwork for the trailer on file.

 

Bottom line, if the V.I.N. on your trailer is not readable get a replacement or you are looking at one EXPENSIVE ticket.

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3 minutes ago, charlier said:

Just some advice for anyone who tows a trailer that is more than a few years old. When you have time check the Vehicle Identification Number on your trailer. Most trailers have the V.I.N. printed on a decal/sticker on the side of the trailer. Over time, the sun fades the printed V.I.N. and it becomes unreadable. A friend was stopped in MD, when towing his trailer. The Trooper could not read the V.I.N. on his trailer when he tried to check the paperwork against the V.I.N. on the trailer. That was one EXPENSIVE citation. My friend called me and told me to check my trailer. Sure enough the V.I.N. on my trailer had faded and was unreadable. Lucky for me the trailer dealer where I bought my trailer (in MD)  engraved my trailer's V.I.N. on a metal plate which I then attached to my trailer. Turns out that this dealer had been getting a LOT of requests for metal V.I.N. plates but would only do it for customers who bought their trailer from them if the dealer still had the paperwork for the trailer on file.

 

Bottom line, if the V.I.N. on your trailer is not readable get a replacement or you are looking at one EXPENSIVE ticket.

Good advice.  Because my tall trailer AKA Fugly has its VIN sticker in a place requiring a trooper (or me) to lie on his back in the dirt and look up, I've photographed it and carry a print of the photo in a document protector affixed to an inside wall.

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Another case of having to prove your innocent. More BS, and you wonder why people are moving away from the whacked out tax and spend states to the more livable and lower tax states...........that’s right........I just did that. I’m glad I no longer live in the Northeast. No state income tax anymore......there’s a seven percent pay increase from day one. And it’s just one instance of less expensive living.......the only people moving into the over taxed states are the ones trying to live on the public gravey train.

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39 minutes ago, edinmass said:

Another case of having to prove your innocent.

Actually, Ed, that's a pragmatic means of getting released from a potential stop in record time and getting on my way again.

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On 7/19/2018 at 6:44 AM, bluefishgary said:

Let me ask a question, If you need a medical car for a class (A) in maryland please get me the reg # so I can look that up. Yes you must have a medical card for a CDL But not required for a 

class(A) in Maryland.    If you need it for class (A) Maryland how does a person get the drug testing (randon)??  All CDL holders are in the random pool the company that they work for can and does send you out when ever your number comes up.They have to send a %% of there CDL holders every month.I was sent out 3 times in one month.   When I was employed by the state we had to have a CDL (A) .

When I turned in my CDL(A) for a class (A) I was told no medical card needed!! Now in my former job I did accident investigation on Big rigs or Buses. I worked very closely with MSP

and still have manny friends who still work there. Just so you know I worked at MDOT/MTA

 

 

I have just obtained a copy of the revised 2018 Maryland DOT book and it isn't specifically mentioned (medical card) in the 2018 edition as was in previous years.  The old  reference was if towing a 10,001# or over non commercial trailer a physical card was needed but not subject to random as CDL.

Interesting our car trailers still aren't specifically exempted in Maryland from commercial but they have added utility trailers classification as exempt?  I wonder if that is where we are as in the federal we are clearly exempt as "car trailers not for hire personal use only".

Oh, an interesting reading in the 2018 book is  a section on towing GVW trailer weights with various classes of vehicles and saw "3/4 ton" mentioned.  I am one ton but are they limiting the towing ability in MD on 3/4 vehicles now?

Ask your friends in DOT that 3/4 ton question and I will ask mine also. oh, and ask about the card if over 10,000 # trailer GVW.

Yes, when I was working for the county we had the dreaded random testing for CDL's.

Robert

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17 hours ago, edinmass said:

Another case of having to prove your innocent. More BS, and you wonder why people are moving away from the whacked out tax and spend states to the more livable and lower tax states...........that’s right........I just did that. I’m glad I no longer live in the Northeast. No state income tax anymore......there’s a seven percent pay increase from day one. And it’s just one instance of less expensive living.......the only people moving into the over taxed states are the ones trying to live on the public gravey train.

 

Yep Ed just bought in Boca Raton a couple of month's ago for the reasons given above.

Robert

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Us calls 'em seesaws.

 

The skinny kid sits at the end.

The fat kid sits nearer the middle.

 

Trailers and tugs are much like seesaws.

 

If yer puts a heavy kid on the bar,

yer takes weight off the front wheels.

 

Mucks up your steering summat wrotten,

 

Smart folks move the load backards and foreuds

to get the nose weight right.

 

A longer nose means you can

overload your trailer front axle

wi'out lifting so much weight

orf of the front wheels on your tug.

 

Not so much swings and roundabouts

more the toy you had fun when you wuz a kid.

 

Or, first order levers if want a bit o' simple science.

http://www.dynamicscience.com.au/tester/solutions1/hydraulicus/simplemachineslevers1.htm

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