1936 CORD 810 SEDAN

[George Smolinski]

Not mine.

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/1936-cord-810-sedan/6607279507.html

Custom Beverly 4 door
V-8 Lycoming as Original
Pre select 4 speed trans as Original
Certified Cord by the ACD club
Rich Maroon in color
Tan leather interior
Very nice chrome trim etc.
All glass nice
4 new Coker wide whitewall radial tires, correct size
Runs and drives as it should.
Asking $68000.00 or Trade for interesting vintage autos. I just noticed the cert sheet says fiberglass front fenders, they are steel original Cord fenders.
I dont need help selling please dont solicit me.
Im not in a hurry, dont need to sell, would rather trade than cash out.
Please contact Steve with any questions
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[Dynaflash8]

Did they take a lot of liberties with the interior of this car, or was it a custom order.  I see the paperwork, but can't read it.  This is a beauty.  Probably over $100K I'll bet.

[C Carl]

He's looking for an interesting trade. Asking $68k.  -  CC 

[auburnseeker]

100G gets you an open one in fine order. 

[Brass is Best]

1 hour ago, Dynaflash8 said:

Did they take a lot of liberties with the interior of this car, or was it a custom order.  I see the paperwork, but can't read it.  This is a beauty.  Probably over $100K I'll bet.

 

That is an arm chair Beverly interior. It is done correctly.

[Brass is Best]

1 hour ago, auburnseeker said:

100G gets you an open one in fine order. 

 

The 100G open cars tend not to shift themselves. It takes a little more today to get a good one.

Edited June 9, 2018 by Brass is Best (see edit history)

[cahartley]

3 hours ago, Dynaflash8 said:

 I see the paperwork, but can't read it. 

 

Here you are.......  

[auburnseeker]

1 hour ago, Brass is Best said:

 

The 100G open cars tend not to shift themselves. It takes a little more today to get a good one.

Cord is one of the few cars where you got two basic styles.  An open car or a 4 door sedan,  so there are no "bridge" cars like a coupe or even 2 door sedan.  So I would say yes if Cord made a coupe that would be the 100G car then 150G for a nice open one 2+ condition. But I would think Normal good money for a sedan is tapped out in the 60's maybe 70ish,  unless it's supercharged,  then that's a different story.  How many sedans have changed hands for near or above 100G.  I've seen a few for sale for Years.  I know of a beautiful Phaeton that was freshly restored by an ACD man That I would say had to be a #1 or extremely close that took a little time to sell for 150 and not sure if he ever actually got all of that or a little south.  He is the type of guy that built his cars,  had a surplus of parts, then drove them a few states to ACD meets. 

[Dynaflash8]

2 hours ago, Brass is Best said:

 

That is an arm chair Beverly interior. It is done correctly.

Well, I learn something every day.  I've looked at Cord's since 1953 and never have seen one.

 

[alsancle]

There are 3 Cord coupes, 1 of which is original and 2 are copies (If I'm remembering correctly).   The original would bring more money than a standard cabriolet.  If they were made in equal number probably not.  But these days,  attractive coupes (think 32 3 window) can bring the same or more than an open car.

[Brass is Best]

6 hours ago, Dynaflash8 said:

Well, I learn something every day.  I've looked at Cord's since 1953 and never have seen one.

 

 

It was a 1936 only option and cost more than the standard interior. It could be done in any color cloth or leather the owner desired. Factory color choices for the Cord were only suggestions. Gordon Buehrig's personal Cord sedan had this interior. Here are a few more examples.

[Brass is Best]

3 hours ago, alsancle said:

There are 3 Cord coupes, 1 of which is original and 2 are copies (If I'm remembering correctly).   The original would bring more money than a standard cabriolet.  If they were made in equal number probably not.  But these days,  attractive coupes (think 32 3 window) can bring the same or more than an open car.

 

3 coupes were built originally. Today there are 4 or 5 that exist. I have seen at least 3 in the wild. One of the new ones has a fiberglass roof. Real coupes have an M in the serial number. A real coupe would bring more money than a Sportsman Cabriolet. 

[mercer09]

being a Beverly- it will also have the "knapsack" trunk, which I never liked that much- so while you get that great interior, body style changes a bit.

 

also if I remember correctly, any color could be custom ordered for paint for an extra 125.

[Dynaflash8]

5 hours ago, Brass is Best said:

 

3 coupes were built originally. Today there are 4 or 5 that exist. I have seen at least 3 in the wild. One of the new ones has a fiberglass roof. Real coupes have an M in the serial number. A real coupe would bring more money than a Sportsman Cabriolet. 

I don't like the fact that there are more existing that were built by the factory.  That amounts clones and the hobby has never supported clones.  Just my opinion.

[alsancle]

A legit leather arm chair car is a premium by far over a standard Westchester.    The coolest Cord I ever saw was at the reunion when I was 10 years old.    It was a long wheel base Beverley with leather arm chairs and a divider window.  Have never seen another.

[auburnseeker]

Well yes but we are also talking super limited numbers of a fairly desirable car.  I meant regular production scenarios where there would have been more coupes,  built than convertibles,  More sedans built than anything, etc. 

[Cord Researcher]

On 6/10/2018 at 1:13 AM, Brass is Best said:

 

It was a 1936 only option and cost more than the standard interior. It could be done in any color cloth or leather the owner desired. Factory color choices for the Cord were only suggestions. Gordon Buehrig's personal Cord sedan had this interior. Here are a few more examples.

I am doing research on behalf of a collector about the existence of factory produced Cord's with leather interiors or those available with leather as an option through distributors. Your photos seem to indicate that leather was indeed an option on Beverley's with the pleats. do you have the source of the first two catalog pictures?  

[West Peterson]

On 6/10/2018 at 7:00 AM, mercer09 said:

being a Beverly- it will also have the "knapsack" trunk, which I never liked that much- so while you get that great interior, body style changes a bit.

 

also if I remember correctly, any color could be custom ordered for paint for an extra 125.

 

That is false. Beverly does NOT describe the body style. It is an interior description. The Beverly interior was more luxurious. Probably the reason that most people think the Beverly is the "knapsack" version is because most Beverlys have that feature, which came out in 1937. But there are, indeed, "slantback" Beverly Cords. I was bidding on one last year at the Auburn spring auction.

[West Peterson]

On 6/10/2018 at 7:42 AM, alsancle said:

A legit leather arm chair car is a premium by far over a standard Westchester.    The coolest Cord I ever saw was at the reunion when I was 10 years old.    It was a long wheel base Beverley with leather arm chairs and a divider window.  Have never seen another.

 

And once you sit in and drive an armchair Beverly, you will not want to go back. It's kind of like getting a taste of first class on a trans-atlantic flight, then having to return on coach.

[alsancle]

1 hour ago, West Peterson said:

 

And once you sit in and drive an armchair Beverly, you will not want to go back. It's kind of like getting a taste of first class on a trans-atlantic flight, then having to return on coach.

 

So how many SC divider Arm chair cars are there?

[West Peterson]

13 hours ago, alsancle said:

 

So how many SC divider Arm chair cars are there?

 

I don't know. I was referring to the armchair seats, which were available without the divider window.

[mercer09]

the supercharged westchester is very rare. I believe a little under 100 were made and the car I like most. Saw one at Hershey about 15 yrs ago needing full restoration. It had the wrong engine in it.

[John_Mereness]

On 6/10/2018 at 7:00 AM, mercer09 said:

being a Beverly- it will also have the "knapsack" trunk, which I never liked that much- so while you get that great interior, body style changes a bit.

 

also if I remember correctly, any color could be custom ordered for paint for an extra 125.

The "knapsack" trunk as referenced is not a feature on the early armchair Beverly cars (I am sure a Cord expert can add a lot more to this discussion). 

[mercer09]

yes, that was already mentioned.......

[alsancle]

So does anybody know how many long wheelbase, divider window, armchair SC cars there are?   The one I saw back in 1974 was very cool,  I haven't seen one since.

[mercer09]

I thought there were only a handful of those. remember at one time seeing two diff ones for sale in about a 6 mo period and thinking, that is kind of surprising.

 

I have never seen one in person.

[John_Mereness]

On 6/10/2018 at 7:42 AM, alsancle said:

A legit leather arm chair car is a premium by far over a standard Westchester.    The coolest Cord I ever saw was at the reunion when I was 10 years old.    It was a long wheel base Beverley with leather arm chairs and a divider window.  Have never seen another.

If I was checking the boxes for a closed Cord to buy one - I would ideally want an early armchair Beverly with the bolt on trunk (they bolt on like an 34-36 Auburn Sedan or Phaeton bolts on, but I do not think many were made) and in Geneva Blue (or Rich maroon) would be nice. 

[Dave Henderson]

On 4/26/2019 at 7:44 PM, alsancle said:

 

So how many SC divider Arm chair cars are there?

There weren't originally any '36 810 SC Armchair Beverlys , but some have been retrofitted with superchargers, which didn't come in until the '37 812's

Edited April 28, 2019 by Dave Henderson (see edit history)

[alsancle]

Are all the arm chair cars 36?

[West Peterson]

The one I bid on at Auburn last year was a '37, however it was a "re-numbered" 1936.

[Dave Henderson]

The renumbering of 1936 Cord 810's was done to unsold ones at year's end, I believe with different blocks of numbers assigned for cars still at the factory vs. those at dealers.  Therefore it is easy to identify the renumbered Cords.  While the '36's look like the '37's, there were differences, such as the change from Lockheed brakes to Bendix.  I have been told that Packard did renumbering too, is that right West? 

[West Peterson]

On 5/7/2019 at 7:57 PM, Dave Henderson said:

The renumbering of 1936 Cord 810's was done to unsold ones at year's end, I believe with different blocks of numbers assigned for cars still at the factory vs. those at dealers.  Therefore it is easy to identify the renumbered Cords.  While the '36's look like the '37's, there were differences, such as the change from Lockheed brakes to Bendix.  I have been told that Packard did renumbering too, is that right West? 

 

I'm not familiar with any renumbering by Packard. I know that there are several 1931 Packards that were "updated" with 1932-looking features, and possibly titled as 1932s, but I don't think they were re-numbered.

[K8096]

Unsold 1948 Packards were renumbered as 1949s.  They can be idententified by having a “ - 9 - “ in the middle of the serial number on the firewall data plate.  

[West Peterson]

Interesting. I know practically nothing about postwar Packards, especially ones without 356 engines.

[K8096]

They did it on the Custom series 356 Packards too.   

[West Peterson]

I figured, but like I said, postwar Packard history is not my area of expertise.

[58L-Y8]

Cord renumbered leftover 1936 models as well, never have read that before.  It does make sense given the economic environment, especially for untried, relatively expensive cars such a Cord.

 

Packard and Kaiser-Frazer both ended up renumbering masses of leftover cars in the 1948-'50 years purely because of management decisions to over-produce without adjusting to current sales demand.  It cost both companies dearly, millions to clean up new discounted cars, diverted sales from their newest models, damaged their respective dealership organizations and flooded the used car with cars that depressed the resale value of their cars in general.   The lingering damage contributed to the eventual demise of both carmakers, among those causes.

[Curti]

Auburn did this with 851 and 852's . Virtually the same car, save the grill badge.  Some dealers only changed the data plate because the grill badge is difficult to change.