1937hd45 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) This photo turned up on the HAMB Cyclecar thread, fairly sure it is the Daytona Beach Olds, just never saw this photo before. Bob Edited May 30, 2018 by 1937hd45 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Daytona Olds? I am familiar with the Oldsmobile Pirate, but this is not it. The Pirate used two Oldsmobile one cylinder engines joined together. This car appears to have a longer wheel base relative to track and wheel size, as well as lower and substantially different suspension. I have seen several original photos of the Pirate, and although there are similarities (mostly early, spindly, and crude) with a single centered seat, none of the Pirate photos I have seen looked like this. There were a few similar early racing cars built, but none as famous as the Pirate. Did Oldsmobile build a different car called the Daytona? I certainly don't claim to know everything (although I wish I did know everything). I used to like several threads on the HAMB. A lot of excellent discussions of early racing history. But I haven't been back since they "upgraded" their site a couple years ago, and my limited "not quite a DSL line" could no longer handle the downloads. (I hate computer people!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 I did an Olds search after I posted the above photo and it isn't the Pirate, but it sure has the overall look, hope Steve sees this and corrects things. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Looks like the first rail job. Put drag slicks on the back and it would be at home on any drag strip in the fifties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe in Canada Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Here is a very early Packard racer I photographed at the Gilmore a few years ago. Notice the radiator how it surrounds the frame. Must be the same era as the Olds but has a hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 There looks to be a sheet draped over the engine, which I think is an upright inline type. Btw did you notice the rear brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Rusty_OToole said: Looks like the first rail job. Put drag slicks on the back and it would be at home on any drag strip in the fifties. Yep, and put in a hemi and it would get an ET in seconds instead of minutes. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 By 1906 things were getting more refined. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46 woodie Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Hey Joe, what year was that Packard? I wonder if the leather belts around the front axle were some sort of early shock arrestor? The "radiator" looks like it could be used as a home heating system, I would love to see how they are piped to return flow to the motor. The exhaust headers are cool the way they attach 4 into one, vertically, into the exhaust pipe. That is one beautiful race car! Great having a fuel tank in your lap/face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, 46 woodie said: Hey Joe, what year was that Packard? I wonder if the leather belts around the front axle were some sort of early shock arrestor? The "radiator" looks like it could be used as a home heating system, I would love to see how they are piped to return flow to the motor. The exhaust headers are cool the way they attach 4 into one, vertically, into the exhaust pipe. That is one beautiful race car! Great having a fuel tank in your lap/face. That is one of the better "Clones' in the hobby, built from the original blueprints. The original Packard Gray Wolf is still out there some were. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdang Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I believe that original Packard Gray Wolf is in the Packard Museum in Dayton, OH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 21 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: By 1906 things were getting more refined. Bob That is the V8 Darracq - which has been recreated, using the original engine and front half of the chassis. It is campaigned enthusiastically by its owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 How fast does that V8 Darracq clone go? Is its top speed about the same as the original? Cheers, Grog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, capngrog said: How fast does that V8 Darracq clone go? Is its top speed about the same as the original? Cheers, Grog It IS THE ORIGINAL ENGINE, only the chassis was fabricated. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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