auburnseeker Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I just found this ad on Craigslist of course. I've never heard anyone use this term "on road until several years ago" Almost the same as ran when new isn't it? It would help if they took the tarp off for the photo as well. https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/1949-dodge-coronet-coupe/6600526337.html 78 k, flat 6, on road until several years ago, will need battery/tune-up/etc. Good tires, some spare parts. Won't take much to drive to first show. Great entry level rat rod. I need to sell to fund another project. Paperwork from NY to request title in NJ.Best reasonable offer. I wonder if the other project is under the tarp in the back ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Yep...is it a coupe or a club coupe? THAT will make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I’m not sure how much extra the tree dirt adds to the value either. Amazing how poorly presented car ads can be. It’s not like Craigslist charges by the word or picture. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 It certainly is NOT a flat 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 What does "Paperwork from NY to request title in NJ.", mean? Does that mean that it has no title, but maybe the buyer could get one in N.J.? Cheers, Grog 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 It probably means he purchased it from someone in NY and filled out paperwork to title in NJ but never officially finished the transaction with the state. Just a guess. Dave S 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Tinindian said: It certainly is NOT a flat 6. Should be a flat 6, meaning flathead straight 6, as Dodge didn't have a flat 8 at the time. Too early for a hemi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Wikipedia confirms 1949 Dodge had the flat 6, not a flat 8. Chrysler had the flat 8, last year for that is 1950. Not that Wikipedia is the absolute answer to automotive questions, but it is reasonably right.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Frank DuVal said: Wikipedia confirms 1949 Dodge had the flat 6, not a flat 8. Chrysler had the flat 8, last year for that is 1950. Not that Wikipedia is the absolute answer to automotive questions, but it is reasonably right.? Flat refers to a "pancake" configuration like Subaru uses and Corvair and VW used to use. An L-head engine is often/generally referred to as a flat head. A direct cut and paste from Wikipedia says "A flat-six or horizontally opposed-six is a flat engine with six cylinders arranged horizontally in two banks of three cylinders on each side of a central crankcase. This should not be confused with the Opposed-piston engine. The pistons are mounted to the crankshaft such that opposing pistons move back and forth in opposite directions at the same time" Edited May 27, 2018 by Guest (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Ha! As a multiple Corvair owner and rebuilder, I know what a flat 6 is, but I translate quick from flat to flat head for all those references to regular inline engines. You win, Tinindian, that Dodge probably does NOT have a Corvair engine in it!? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejboyd5 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Is it "numbers matching" as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 FWIW, New York didn't issue titles until the 1973 model year. Older vehicles have a 'transferable registration' that can be signed-over to the next owner. New Jersey, on the other hand, titles all vehicles regardless of age. Sometimes the NJ Motor Vehicle Commission can be hard to deal with when it comes to out-of-state paperwork.....I've experienced it first-hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Being from back in the day when flathead 6 engines were plentiful, before the overhead valve engines came into our lives, the phrase "flat 6 " was known to all of us, back then. The younger folks out there do not necessarily know the phrases we accepted so well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I have not seen any factory information that ever called an L-head engine a flat engine. A flat engine is an engine with horizontally opposed pistons or an engine like the Commer Ts3 Diesel engine in which the pancake design had the six pistons facing one another in three cylinders. Common misusage does not make it correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahti35 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 9 hours ago, TerryB said: I’m not sure how much extra the tree dirt adds to the value either. Amazing how poorly presented car ads can be. It’s not like Craigslist charges by the word or picture. These days you're just supposed to fork over your hard earned cash with the most minimal effort from the seller possible presenting their vehicle... Its easier for them that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 3 hours ago, bobg1951chevy said: Being from back in the day when flathead 6 engines were plentiful, before the overhead valve engines came into our lives, the phrase "flat 6 " was known to all of us, back then. The younger folks out there do not necessarily know the phrases we accepted so well. "Flat" may be regional. In Califunny during the late '50s and early '60s, the only "flat" engines were VW, Porsche, and Corvair, but we had a lot of flatHEADS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Same in WA (70s, 80s). If someone said "flat 6" I would be looking for the Corvair (or the Tucker). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Tinindian said: I have not seen any factory information that ever called an L-head engine a flat engine. A flat engine is an engine with horizontally opposed pistons or an engine like the Commer Ts3 Diesel engine in which the pancake design had the six pistons facing one another in three cylinders. Common misusage does not make it correct. I believe some Hall-Scott and A.E.C inline 6-cylinder engines were 'laid flat' in transit buses. As well, some Toyota vans (Previa) also have an inline four laid at nearly 0° under the floor. Craig Edited May 28, 2018 by 8E45E (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthcranbrook Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 8E45E said: I believe some Hall-Scott and A.E.C inline 6-cylinder engines were 'laid flat' in transit buses. As well, some Toyota vans (Sienna) also have an inline four laid at nearly 0° under the floor. Craig The only photos I can find of the not lamented Toyota Sienna mini van four cylinder engine seem to show a rather conventional layout Is this what you were talking about? Edited May 28, 2018 by plymouthcranbrook (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Walling Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Clear title? If the NY paperwork is not made out to the buyer that is going to be requesting the title, lots of luck. Can you say Title Skipping? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Flat 6 is slang here in the Northeast and well known. Obviously a car guy with a half a brain would realize that flathead 6 was referred to. I guess the PC crowd is offended again. Geeze. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Not all "flat" engines are opposed. Over the years, I've encountered a few "flat" inline engines in industrial or marine settings. The one I remember best was the "Inclined" GM 6-71 diesel used in marine applications. As I remember, we called them "lay-down Jimmies", and were not perfectly flat, but were "inclined" 70° - 80° from the vertical. "Flat" GM 6-110 diesels were also used in some self-propelled rail cars known as "Buddliners" which used two of the 6-110 diesel engines. "Flat" reciprocating aircraft engines are termed "opposed" and use the letter "O" to designate the type. The first "flat" horizontally-opposed engines were called "boxer" engines. This is all starting to make my head hurt, so I'll just continued calling horizontally-opposed reciprocating engines, "flat engines". Attached (I hope) is a photo of a brochure for the "flat" GM diesels. Cheers, Grog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Maybe the Toyota vans of the 80s, before Previn and Sienna. But who could tell from the picture? See interesting article: http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-asian/cars-of-a-lifetime-1987-toyota-4x4-van-you-just-cant-kill-it-no-matter-how-hard-a-certain-somebody-tries/ Also, the Nissan Van of the same time peroid is the only vehicle sold in the US that had a recall of all units sold, bought them back from the owners and destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) Could be someone's auto correct on application 'helping them' with an ad, but saw one this week that stated "serious injuries only" ? Edited May 28, 2018 by Steve_Mack_CT (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Frank DuVal said: Maybe the Toyota vans of the 80s, before Previn and Sienna. But who could tell from the picture? See interesting article: http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-asian/cars-of-a-lifetime-1987-toyota-4x4-van-you-just-cant-kill-it-no-matter-how-hard-a-certain-somebody-tries/ Also, the Nissan Van of the same time peroid is the only vehicle sold in the US that had a recall of all units sold, bought them back from the owners and destroyed. The Previa has the "flat" engine under the van. That earlier Toyota (and the recalled Nissan) do not have flat engines, They are both laid out like a Dodge A-100, with the engine between the front seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheezestaak2000 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 or, i could just mention the word "boxer" but the conversation would probably end up with a mike tyson comment, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, plymouthcranbrook said: The only photos I can find of the not lamented Toyota Sienna mini van four cylinder engine seem to show a rather conventional layout Is this what you were talking about? Yep, Previa, before the Sienna. My error which I've corrected. Craig Edited May 28, 2018 by 8E45E (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Frank DuVal said: Maybe the Toyota vans of the 80s, before Previn and Sienna. But who could tell from the picture? See interesting article: http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-asian/cars-of-a-lifetime-1987-toyota-4x4-van-you-just-cant-kill-it-no-matter-how-hard-a-certain-somebody-tries/ Also, the Nissan Van of the same time peroid is the only vehicle sold in the US that had a recall of all units sold, bought them back from the owners and destroyed. The same was almost true for the 1922 copper-cooled Chevrolet that was recalled by GM. All were returned except for two owners adamantly refused to return theirs, and one still survives. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 First time I recall seeing "boxer" was related to the Ferrari Boxer. VW was a "flat four" and Corvair a "flat six". Ford had a "Flathead". My '59 had a DOHC cross flow head. And then there were Subarus. Of course Hemis were for Chryslers and garbage trucks but have long outlived their usefulness (if it had four valve heads it would not be a Hemi). And then there was the '63 Chevvy "mystery engine" with porcupine heads, Round Port Pontiacs, and Tunnel Port Fords. Maybe because grew up in Souf but do not recall in my yout a flathead being called anything but a flathead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC5 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 How about "it ran until it didn't" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 It use to run, at least until it was in such bad shape that couldn't start any more. Also know as it "was running when parked". Means it has not run in years because nobody knew what was wrong with it. Needs a little TLC means it needs everything. What's a ton of scrap metal worth these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahti35 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 12 hours ago, Paul Dobbin said: It use to run, at least until it was in such bad shape that couldn't start any more. Also know as it "was running when parked". Means it has not run in years because nobody knew what was wrong with it. Needs a little TLC means it needs everything. What's a ton of scrap metal worth these days? About $200 per ton around here, unless its in the shape of a car... then you can increase the price by thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 But then there is NOS/NIB = didn't work so was put back on shelf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I have a different perspective on the "on the road until several years ago". I find it a refreshing attempt at honesty, the opposite of "I don't know how long it's been sitting" or "ran when parked". Assuming the seller is honest "on the road until several years ago" conveys some valuable info. Good to know that the car has not been sitting since the 1960s. I have a 1955 vintage car that I know personally has not been driven or even started since 1969. Isn't that info that buyer might want to know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 12:40 PM, auburnseeker said: ve never heard anyone use this term "on road until several years ago Tires only flat on one side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 "Engine disassembled for your inspection." From a Hemmings ad 30 years ago..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 On 5/28/2018 at 1:16 AM, Tinindian said: I have not seen any factory information that ever called an L-head engine a flat engine. A flat engine is an engine with horizontally opposed pistons or an engine like the Commer Ts3 Diesel engine in which the pancake design had the six pistons facing one another in three cylinders. Common misusage does not make it correct. Misusage only to your way of thinking, Mr. Tinindian. I do not believe anyone stated that "flathead" or "flat 6 " was a term used by the factory. At any rate, the terminology " flathead 6" or "flathead" or " flat 6" was around, long before the Corvair in 1960. It's how that type of engine was known, back then. The 216 and 235 Chevy 6 cylinder engines were known as "stovebolts" ....... but no factory information validated that phrase either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 If we ant to get picky every old car has a motor according to most people, but that is alot worse than a flat 6 because most except the early electrics really have an engine. Though there are publications from the 50's and earlier that were even called Motor news, though the entire magazine didn't have one electric powered vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank DuVal Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Auburn, Motor is still with us, I get it every month. It is aimed at service shops. Still a Hearst publication, since 1903. Of course, now they DO discuss electric propulsion motors from time to time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 We restored a 1936 Thorne Gas Electric which had both a motor and an engine. Couldn't go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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