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I sent my brake drums out to be powder coated. 1928 Plymouth with hydraulic brakes. They powder coated the back sides also. Is this car going to stop or should I grind the powder coating off  the  braking surface of the drum.  The car doesn't go very fast. About 40 average. Are the shoes going to cake up or is the car not going to stop because the drums are slick. Any replies are appreciated. Thanks

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41 minutes ago, pontiac1953 said:

if they powder coated the drums where the brake shoes ride the drum, you're not going to be able to stop.

My honey says to grind or replace. I agree with her.

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Your brake shoes will now be sliding smoothly on plastic.  Even if you manage to get the plastic off the inner friction surfaces, the rest of the plastic coating will probably turn into a gooey mess.  Your powder coat guy should be held criminally responsible for doing something so...'unusual'.

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52 minutes ago, Spinneyhill said:

eh? I thought powder coating was basically paint solids applied with static electricity and baked on?

 

 The "paint solids" are plastic dust that fuse together with heat.

 They will also smear with heat. Think slippery!

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Powder coat is polyester powder that is melted on at 425 degrees. As the shoes make contact, the heat produced will melt the poly and get into the shoe and render it useless. Sand the contact area to get back to raw metal. Turning them also works.

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I doubt the thin layer of powdercoat scraped off the brake drum by a brake lathe will do any damage to the lathe. It's made to grind iron, for Pete's sake. The powdercoating will come off in little crumbs that can be vacuumed up. It won't gum up the works unless you get it hot enough to melt, which won't happen here.

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27 minutes ago, Luv2Wrench said:

Is it OK to paint the outside of the drum with an epoxy primer?  I'm using SPI two-part epoxy primer that is good to at least 500 degrees.

 

That is how I did my Pontiac.  I had a set power coated and was later informed that the power coating restricted heat dissipation and paint is better.

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My Uncle Sam was a boss in the machine shop when they started building those '28 Plymouths. That new Hotchkiss rearend was a big deal. He had some trade magazine pictures of him standing  by an axle on a table.

He told me the first of the cars were built in circus tents. Chrysler only had enough money for production equipment and had to wait for a building. The machines were set and the tents were rented to protect them.

That story was told about 30 years after it happened. #0 years seemed like a lot longer back then.

 

Bernie

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So, poci, did you remove the power coating or continue to use them with no issues?

 

This paint vs powder coating is interesting, as they are both methods to get solids onto a surface, in order to protect or decorate a surface. One does it by dissolving the solids in a solvent and the other by getting the solids onto the surface (static electricity makes it stick while still a powder) and then baking it to make it flow. [Hmm, almost like the OEM reflow paint systems]. There is paint with polyester solids, and there are solids of polyester in powder coating. So why do people make such a big "it is different!" deal out of this? 

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I don't think that you will have any problems with the powder coating on the outside of the drums, but agree that you should have a bare metal inner friction surface.  I don't think it would be safe to drive with the inner surface coated.

 

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13 hours ago, Frank DuVal said:

So, poci, did you remove the power coating or continue to use them with no issues?

 

I used them as is until the brakes were chattering badly and needed work (NOTE these were the famous 8 lug aluminum drums as seen in the photo.  I am smiling since I had an extra set to replace the originals).  The drums were slightly warped with hot spots and the linings overheated even though I had not driven the car hard or fast.  This could be partially from the powder coat and partially from the finicky nature of these drums but either way a noted 8 lug rebuilder told me the powder coat restricts heat dissipation and my car seems to have had a problem in that area, Todd C. 

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I grew up in the AACA, Southern Ohio Chapter, but fell in love with muscle cars while I was in high school. I became a serious street racer in the early 1970's (I know...shame on me!) Anyway, I recall LOTS of us street punks painting our brake drums different colors, so they would look "cool" where you could see them between spokes of our mag wheels. I also recall lots of different brake specialists telling me that this was a bad idea, because the drums would not dissipate heat as well with paint on them. True, we did ruin a lot of brake drums, but I suspect this had a lot more to do with the constant abuse we put our cars through back then (power-braking, burnouts, panic stops when we spied a cop, etc, etc.) 

 

I would never suggest powder coating brake drums, or any other car part which is subject to a great deal of heat. Just my opinion. 

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There are 3 methods of heat transfer: conduction, convection and radiation

 

Supposedly Dark, matt surfaces are good absorbers and emitters of infrared radiation. Light, shiny surfaces are poor absorbers and emitters of infrared radiation. An example of this is the silvering inside a vacuum flask.

 

You may have noticed that some roof sheathing comes with foil on it. This has an insulating effect, but it does not impede heat conduction like fiberglass insulation, but rather impedes radiation,.

 

Would powder coating impede heat transfer? I doubt it. That is compared to paint, why would black powder coat be worse than black paint? It could affect either conduction or radiation, but how or why it would be significantly different than paint is not clear.

 

 

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Brake drums are probably cooled by convection mainly, as they move along the road. I am not sure paint makes any difference to that. It is about conductance to the surface then convection off it into the moving fluid (air).

 

The Stefan-Boltzmann Law is the one about dark and light coloured surfaces absorbing and emitting heat at different rates.

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One item overlooked is that when the drums are minus the powder coating, and turned down, all of the drums can be turned to the same safe diameter. which in reality they should be any way.

 

Some powder coating also provides a great primer coat for painting, which can be touched up which difficult to touch up powder coating.

 

good luck

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When they are off and at the machine shot being brought to the correct or matching diameter is an excellent time to replace bearings and races.  That is how I had mine done for a 1940-120.  

 

Good luck

 

 

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On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 12:35 PM, C Carl said:

At the speeds you will be gently driving, you do not have to worry about heat dissipation at all.   -  CC

Carl,

    I would agree....; until some numb nuts tour leader sends everyone down a steep hill with a stop sign at the bottom!

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