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My biggest pet peeve with our newer car (2016) is the sound system. It came with an operating manual that's thicker than the cars owners manual and if I accidentally touch something on the screen I have a he'll of a time trying to get back to the basic radio mode. I've got a 74 MG with a cassette player, cassettes are even getting hard to find. Don't get me started on power windows. They laughed at me if I could get our new car with wind up windows.Give me knobs and a radio and do away with that stupid touch screen! What the he'll is a blue tooth an ah ha anyway? I do kinda like the rear view camera but then that's why God put out heads on a swivel. Greg.

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Don't get me started on the cars of the last 10 years. I won't own one period.

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They are as big distraction as texting . The other thing is they put the same size seats in all models . 

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Agreed. I HATE the touch-screens. Who thought that was a good idea? You have to take your eyes off the road, scroll through multiple screens, and aim your finger at a thing that may or may not be a button. I don't need to wear my glasses to drive, but I do need them to read the radio. It's beyond idiotic.

 

On the plus side, however, that touch screen can certainly take a punch. Didn't even crack when I lost my temper.

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I can drive an old car in the rain with the window down, and not get a drop in the car. Because of the shape/design of a new car, roll down the window in the rain, and it rains on the door panel and on you.

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I share the pain. I’m having almost the same problem with my car’s sound system. My car is a 1935 Cadillac. It has an AM radio, but a key is required to unlock it. I don’t have a key. 

Apparently the key is different from the one that opens the doors and opens the glove box.  Also, I can’t find the slot for the CD.  :)

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I think that the cds are going the way of the eight tracks,what will they be replaced with? Didn't some cars have record players?

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I mean... you guys know most cars with touch screens have voice control too right? What are you doing touching the touch screen? That's not what it's for =-D

I got my 2015 Fiesta just the way I wanted it though. Simple radio (with bluetooth), crank windows, manual transmission. Going to my comment on the Ford thread, with you can't sell a young person and old persons car, I would be the exception. IMO luxury is a nicely appointed interior without technology. But then again, I'm in your club, not the young people club, and I bought the cheapest car Ford makes, so they aren't really making much money off me.

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29 minutes ago, Buick35 said:

I think that the cds are going the way of the eight tracks,what will they be replaced with?

 

I bought a new Honda for my wife last month and when I brought it home she asked where the slot was for the CD player. I looked it up in the owner's manual and eventually found out that starting in 2017 Honda doesn't put CD players in their cars anymore. She wasn't too happy because she has many books on CD that she listens to on her way to and from work. My 2018 F150 has a CD player in it. What are those Honda idiots thinking?

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No knobs is a no-go for me.  I don’t like pushing buttons and I sure don’t like touching screens.  Voice controls take too long and sometimes don’t even work.  I just want to turn a knob that I know works.  I don’t want to speak to a machine and wait to see if it understands me.

 

Something that hasn’t been mentioned are the endless gears in new automatic transmissions.  They can’t wait to upshift, so, unless you floor it all the time, most advertised power is never available.

 

Many of the 2017 GM vehicles without CD players now have them again.  Customers weren’t ready for that and GM listened.

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1 hour ago, 51dyno said:

The other thing is they put the same size seats in all models . 

 

Have you noticed the rear seats in many modern cars?

The middle position in the rear has a seat belt, showing that

it's made for an occupant;  but it's usually on a hump and

very uncomfortable.  In fact, that position is barely usable.

I even looked at the new Lexus LS sedan, and it was the same way.

 

What are the new designers thinking?  Are they going backward?

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Programming the built-in GPS (Global Positioning System)

isn't always  ideal, either.  Sometimes, a map is better.  To wit:

 

I flew to visit my aunt and uncle.  My uncle is the sort who

always loves the latest in electronics and computers,

so when it was time to drive me back to the airport in his

new 2016-or-so Ford sedan, he just had to program the GPS

and let it do his thinking for him.

 

So, we sat in the car in his driveway while he did his thing.

First, find the airport in the list of known places.  Is it an

attraction?  A business?  A what?  He couldn't find it listed.

Well, he looked up the physical address elsewhere and

entered that address--street name and number.

 As we were en route, we found that the airport's address

was taking us to the administrative office, not to the terminal!

He had spent 20 minutes in the driveway trying to get

that GPS to find the airport! 

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My 1 series bmw (don’t know if you even get them that small in the US) use a dial rather than a touch screen to access the infotainment and its much easier

to use than the one in my brothers VW. They have shortcuts for just enough stuff so when you’re driving you don’t have to fiddle about with the screen 

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Went to the Ford dealer in Sherman, Texas last month since my Ranger is bumping 400k miles and may need work one of these days. Salesman came running out and asked what I liked to which I replied, "nothing". I told him I didn't want a 4dr sedan with a tiny box but one with maximum cargo area and minimum passenger area. Adding a flat floor with no console, bench seat,  column shift, no radio,  cloth seats, and no power anything except steering and brakes made his eyeballs roll back in his head. I'm still driving the old Ranger.

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Touch screens can be quite useful, best place on the dash to stick your 3M post-it note with the directions to the airport terminal gate that the GPS can't find. Yes the touch screen was dangerous to use while driving when it first came out, but newer models have overcome the eyes off the road distraction with radar distance sensing safety automatic braking system. They also have side impact airbags for those days when you drive through the stop sign while you are busy turning off the heater fan that went to full when you touched the wrong part of the pad.

 

Got to have the new car infotainment systems, no getting around it. It's not just a radio anymore, it's part of the computer network that makes the car work. Can't think of anything more irritating to have prominently displayed on the dash than the name of the song and recording artist. Guess they had to put something on the screen to justify the couple thousand dollars of computer aided network that replaced the oil and alternator lights while you are waiting for an important "your vehicle has experienced a lock system failure pull over and seek service" message.

 

I have the big thicker than the owners manual radio book and I figured out how to get rid of all the worthless information the radio displays. I've gotten quite used to driving with the radio turned off over the past couple of years and when I need to use GPS, I plug in the old tom-tom.

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Voice control? I thought that was the wife's job but she doesn't have a knob to turn her down. And what's wrong with using a map? I guess a G.P.S.would be easier to fold.

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11 hours ago, 39BuickEight said:

They can’t wait to upshift, so, unless you floor it all the time, most advertised power is never available.

The Ford (and Chevy) 10 speed isn't like others. It skips gears so it ends up feeling more like a traditional automatic, well... like a 6 speed, which anymore, is sorta traditional.

 

11 hours ago, Lebowski said:

I bought a new Honda for my wife last month and when I brought it home she asked where the slot was for the CD player. I looked it up in the owner's manual and eventually found out that starting in 2017 Honda doesn't put CD players in their cars anymore. She wasn't too happy because she has many books on CD that she listens to on her way to and from work. My 2018 F150 has a CD player in it. What are those Honda idiots thinking?


As for CDs... yeah, other car companies are going that way too. I haven't used a CD for several years. You can pretty easily transfer anything you have on CD onto a digital medium. It's really easy and when you see how many CDs you can store on a USB drive you'll understand why it's a bit silly to bother with CDs at all. They take up a big part of the dash that can be used (or not used) for other purposes and a cleaner look. Also to go with the above comment for how much cheaper a car could be without all the crap on it... a CD player is more complex than any of the sensors you are complaining about, and it's something a many of today's buyers don't use.

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My daughter has a 2017 Ford Expedition and when I drive it I am overwhelmed with information that I neither need or want.  I really can't seem to operate most of the equipment without pushing the wrong thing. I hope my 2001 Astro lasts as long as I do.( and at my age that is a possibility)

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15 hours ago, Buick35 said:

What the he'll is a blue tooth an ah ha anyway?

 

Take that up with the Bluetooth compliant department.

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On pre war cars parts can be difficult to come by but frequently can be made as many talented car restorers have demonstrated.  Can you imagine trying to restore any of todays cars in 50 years with all of the electronics needed?

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OK, i guess it's my turn to be the contrarian.  The are many aspects to today's cars that make any comparison to yesterday's cars apples to oranges.  First, I am no millenial having almost completed my 65th trip around the sun.  I also love many old cars, particularly Buicks of the 1960's having owned and restored many.  That said, I love my "new" car and vastly prefer driving it to driving an older car.  Mine is a 2013 Lincoln MKX and it has that dreaded touch screen.  I don't know how much fiddling you all do while driving but basic functions like volume and fan speed or temperature control are also on buttons, most of them at my fingertips on the steering wheel.  When you think of all the functions of my radio, AM/FM/CD/satellite/MP3, the control  buttons would take up half the dash and be distracting as well just to locate them.  Having options like blue-tooth where I can answer calls, make calls, or even have texts read to me all, without my hands leaving the wheel, are much safer than fumbling with a cell phone while driving.  I do not have a built in GPS but I do have a portable Garmin that I find very helpful and useful.  

 

The seats in my MKX are amazingly comfortable on long drives, much more so than the reupholstered buckets in my old '65 Skylark.  Air conditioning was a rare option in most non luxury cars of the 60's but almost standard in today's cars.  You haven't lived until you experience  the AC blowing through your seat on a hot summer day.

 

Let's talk mileage.  I can transport 5 people in relative comfort on a trip and average 25 MPG or better.  Around town I get 20-21.  By the way, my MKX has AWD and a 305 HP V6 engine that has plenty of scoot.  It also has a satisfying growl when you accelerate.  Of course, I'll concede that doesn't beat the sound of a Buick V8 dual exhaust note through Walker turbo mufflers.  It is also impossible to do a burnout with traction control.  AWD and traction control do make driving safely much easier on our NW rain soaked streets.

 

Let's talk safety, I don't have the options of lane control or automatic braking but being surrounded by numerous airbags means a much less chance of injury in an accident.  Also knowing how a vehicle fared in a crash test before you have one is information worth having.  Pre-tensioned shoulder belts are way more safe than lap belts or no belts at all.  My MKX also has safety tie downs built in and engineered to keep a child seat restrained if I want to take my grand kids along.  The back-up camera in conjunction with back up sensors, are safety features that, now that I have used it, I can't imagine doing without.  It doesn't eliminate using your eyes and swiveling your head, but it does give a better view of what is behind you than you could see without it.  One touch power windows take the distraction of rolling up a window like in older cars.  ABS makes stopping much safer.  Built-in alarm systems, and immobilization have made it much more difficult for some lowlife to steal your car.  Having chipped keys makes hot-wiring or even shaved keys useless.

 

Finally lets talk about reliability.  My wife's 2005 Escape Limited went 130,000 miles with nothing more than oil changes, a couple of brake jobs and 2 rear shocks.  When I sold it I knew the new owner would still have many more  pleasurable trouble free miles.  My MKX has 55,000 trouble free miles on it so far.  It still has the original brakes and tires on it.  Annual tune-ups are a thing of the past.  Spark plugs last up to 100K.  Oil changes are done at 5,000, 7,500 or even 10,000 miles depending upon the make and usage.  It is expected that a car gets to 200K miles or more before it is worn out.  Twice what was expected back in the day.   Suspension and steering components are sealed and lubed for "life".  New car warranties today are for up to 100,000 miles on drivetrain components, much superior to yesteryear's.  Valve jobs are almost unheard of at 75,000 miles, often going for 200K or more.  

 

I love old cars and I also love driving them.  The one thing I'll never get in my MKX is a thumbs up from a passing motorist or admittance to a car show where I get positive comments from people seeing my car.  But then again, that's why I owned the old cars too.  I also agree that in 15 to 20 years no one is going to want to restore an MKX or any car of today.  Both vintages have their place.  It is all about using the right tool for the job.  

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11 minutes ago, Phillip Cole said:

Sounds like most of us have aged out at least in spirit of the target market for car manufacturers today.

 

Don't sell yourself short, Phillip!  You probably have

more purchasing power than anyone who's just beginning

his career and stretching his family finances in order to 

afford a bland, colorless, and undistinguished $50,000 vehicle.

 

I might be a "target market" for many vehicles, but

I don't have much desire to own a gray 4-door sedan

with all sorts of expensive gadgets.  A few current cars may

be appealing, but I'll save my money and put it

toward the antique-car hobby and other pursuits!

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AND... I have a 2013 Fiat 500 and love everything about it EXCEPT the key fob. It's a switchblade affair that flips the key out when a button is pushed.  Cute, I thought, when I first saw it. Not so cute when it doesn't stay closed in your pocket. AND... I used to carry a key to both my wife's car and mine just in case that was needed. Now I can't because hers is one these big clunky "keyless" things that won't fit on the same keyring and are uncomfortable in the pocket. Oh, and I guess when the left side windshield wiper dumps it's load right in the driver's line of vision, I get a little peeved too.

 

Comfort in a vehicle shouldn't need a manual.

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