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Saw these two projects goin' down the road today

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3 hours ago, mike6024 said:

That tow rig looks to be overloaded.

Hmmm....might be strong enough to pull that heavily loaded trailer. But does it have enough mass to STOP it, if someone pulls out in front? 

 

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I saw a neat Dodge car going up I5N yesterday. Had a “For Sale” sign in the window. 50’s something, I’d guess. Passed it twice as I stopped to walk Patsy at a rest stop. Looked like a prime restoration project, but I was driving, so no pics. 😢

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46 minutes ago, lump said:

Hmmm....might be strong enough to pull that heavily loaded trailer. But does it have enough mass to STOP it, if someone pulls out in front? 

 

There’s lots of passes in this area of I5, will test the best rigs. Didn’t hear anything on the news, so must have been up for the job?

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Well if that's OK, then a Toyota Tundra hauling a small trailer with a small car from Texas to Oregon should be more than fine.

 

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Does look like it has more than enough "tongue" weight though.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, mike6024 said:

Well if that's OK, then a Toyota Tundra hauling a small trailer with a small car from Texas to Oregon should be more than fine.

 

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Does look like it has more than enough "tongue" weight though.

 

 

Ah, it’s a 5th wheel and a Dodge. It’s fiiine! 👍😂

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1 minute ago, victorialynn2 said:

@keiser31, have you ever eaten at Vinny’s off of Pheonix Road? Authentic Italian. Would love to meet you and your wife there sometime!

We could go to Rosario's....better food and cheaper.

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22 minutes ago, victorialynn2 said:

There’s lots of passes in this area of I5, will test the best rigs. Didn’t hear anything on the news, so must have been up for the job?

Or, at least no one changed lanes too quickly in front of this rig, or stopped too quickly, etc. 

 

I've known several guys who towed loads that were way too big for their tow vehicles. Good drivers can get away with it for a long time...as long as nothing happens which requires them to stop very suddenly. It takes a big truck to stop a big load quickly. If nothing happens...you look like a hero. But if a car spins out and ends up right in front of you stopped dead in the road...

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10 minutes ago, keiser31 said:

We could go to Rosario's....better food and cheaper.

You would know! Sounds good. Talk to the wife and let me know. I work regular hours most of the time. 

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11 minutes ago, lump said:

Or, at least no one changed lanes too quickly in front of this rig, or stopped too quickly, etc. 

 

I've known several guys who towed loads that were way too big for their tow vehicles. Good drivers can get away with it for a long time...as long as nothing happens which requires them to stop very suddenly. It takes a big truck to stop a big load quickly. If nothing happens...you look like a hero. But if a car spins out and ends up right in front of you stopped dead in the road...

I will say this is not an area to take chances. The most curves and grades of any route I took from Tx to Portland, Or.  I never had issues with my rig and trailer. It wasn’t just luck. It was tested at times.  

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8 minutes ago, victorialynn2 said:

You would know! Sounds good. Talk to the wife and let me know. I work regular hours most of the time. 

PM sent.

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Assuming about 3500 lbs per vehicle and same for trailer, total load is 6x3500=21,000lbs, a pretty heavy pull for hills. Cantilevered load rear of back wheels is about 6500lbs, leaving about 15,000 lbs forward. The Cantilever will cause a greater distribution of this forward load to the trailer wheels, but my guess there is about 5000-7000 lb tongue weight. Assume there are air brakes or electronic brakes on trailer. I suspect the highways rules enforcement people would not be happy with the overall setup, but what do I know.

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Sorry, I’m an info junkie. I checked Dodge 4500/5500 specs and total GCWR ratings. The trailer is rated at 25,000 capacity and the trucks weigh around 8,000 lbs. Dodge rates the 4500 at 32,500 GCWR and the 5500 at 37,500 GCWR so if that trailer is maxed out, hopefully the guy has a 5500 to haul it. I agree with the safety question, I drive a tractor trailer combination in my job, and extra heavy makes me hope I don’t get cut off by bad drivers.

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Towed 5th wheels all my life. Currently Ford and Dodge have their 1 ton dual wheel pickups rated at 30,000gvw with the GM 1 ton models rated at 23,000 gvw. No way in hell does a 1 ton pickup belong towing a max. Payload of 30K. Even the 23k is a lot on pickup tires, brakes and frames. My son is still rodeoing and his girlfriend shows quarter horses professionally. They bent the frame on their new Dodge towing a tri-axle living quarters trailer hitting the scales at 27k. So much for that 30k rating. Ratings in small trucks these days is a game based on who’s got the biggest, baddest, torque monster of a diesel sitting under the hood. Funny thing is an independent test that .can be seen on YouTube showing all three brands towing the same 23k payload (so all 3 brands could be tested together) has the GM out performing the others even though they are supposed to be capable of 7k more. Towing 7 ton on a pickup is a handful and anyone aware of safety realizes it, but the pursuit of the almighty dollar makes most do otherwise. I am also a class A license holder with endorsements so I’ve driven them all from gooseneck flatbed loads to Wilson double deck pots carrying hogs. Tankers and doubles too. I’m amazed at driver license exemptions for people driving freightliner toy haulers, 40’ pusher diesel motor homes, and rigs like that too. I’m sure there’s many who will argue the point but I’ve peeled a few drivers out of rigs of all sizes in my time on the road so I’m confident in my beliefs.

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Just saw this on the news. North of here with only two cars on it....maybe top heavy. Looks like almost the same kind of rig....

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Were those two vehicles crash victims before they were loaded? They both have indented roofs, like the whole tow rig rolled.

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Nobody here is mentioning trailer brakes.

The truck isn't built to stop these heavy loads I agree, hence the trailer brakes.

However heavy rigs always take a ways to stop.

Something that most daily drivers don't understand.

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On 4/6/2018 at 2:00 PM, mike6024 said:

Were those two vehicles crash victims before they were loaded? They both have indented roofs, like the whole tow rig rolled.

Pretty certain the vehicles were hit by other vehicles. It was a multi-car/truck pileup.

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