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Saw these two projects goin' down the road today

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On 4/4/2018 at 6:30 PM, mike6024 said:

That tow rig looks to be overloaded.

 

I find it interesting that dually pick up trucks pretend to be semi tractors.

 

 One is not the other.

 

In the real world you cannot safely control that kind of weight using that kind of tow vehicle in an emergency situation and under normal driving conditions - let alone adverse weather and road conditions.

 

It does not matter what brand of pick up truck you drive  -  a car commercial cannot simulate the real world. 

 

 

Jim

 

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Speaking of crazy towing... this is the equipment that picked up the 55 Chevy a couple weeks ago. That 1 ton was loaded behind the Chevy. There was hardly any room between the cars and that’s not even a dually hauling it.  

 

Not surprising that the truck truck broke down and had transmission issues. I was very close to calling this haul off, but someone more experienced was with me and seemed okay with it. Honestly I don’t know enough to second guess, but it made me uncomfortable. The Chevy arrived unscathed. The trucker mangled the two right ramps when he reloaded the 1 ton and the tires barely squeezed between his wheel wells. It was a brand new truck. 

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26 minutes ago, Luv2Wrench said:

maybe he should have swapped the tow vehicle with the vehicle he was towing!!

 

I think you are right! 😂

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Looking at that trailer it’s most likely has 10,000 axles for a 20,000 ggvw. That dually with no bed probably doesn’t hi the 7000 lb mark and the car is probably under 4000 lbs so the load itself is just over half of the max. Ggvw of the trailer minus the weight of the trailer. The whole trailer loaded is somewhere in the 16-17k range. That weight is probably ok on a single wheel one ton truck but still not anything I would prefer to tow that far. The truck is a crew cab but doesn’t appear to be 4wd as both those options add to the gross vehicle weight and max payload. What so many seem to forget is brake size and tires. Duallies have much larger brakes than single wheel trucks. Tires are only rated for so much and often these days it seems manufacturers are rating the trucks with higher payloads than you can get tires rated for. But again it’s all about that big diesel under the hood and lots of the drivers out there only care about that. How they get away with towing what seems like crazy loads is that gooseneck trailers/truck combinations are not rated like tractor trailer combinations. With TTs, the total weight of the rig is based on the axle capacity, I.e. 44,000 rears. With GN rigs, they combine all the axles or at least used to as I haven’t run a heavy GN rig in a few years now. This is why many tow with pickups or have trucks with pickup/flat beds in place. Pull the bed, put just a couple mud flaps in place and the GN ball and the DMV will consider that truck a “tractor” putting under the same restrictions as a TT.  An example would be if that dodge in the picture has a 10k rating and the bed was pulled with mudflaps added, bare rear chassis, GN ball. The whole rig, truck, trailer, and payload could not be over 10,000 lbs. basically just hooking up the trailer to the truck would make the rig overweight. I know because it happened to me with a pickup in CT because GN rigs are a gray area in that state and they can determine it as they seem fit. To them a GN rig is a TT rig and the weigh them up that way. This is why currently Ford and dodge rate their 1 ton duallies at 30k because combined with trailer and load max should be no greater than the 30k but that is not the way it’s being perceived, advertised, or even how some states weigh stations are determining it. As I said, GN rigs seem to be a gray area for many and also very confusing most. Many, many overweight vehicles running the road and they’re doing so legally because of the grayness.

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On 4/5/2018 at 8:35 AM, Gunsmoke said:

but my guess there is about 5000-7000 lb tongue weight.

 

 

I'd say the tongue weight could be lower, like maybe 4,000 pounds. But how is that Okay? That's still 2 tons right over the tow vehicle's rear axle. Wouldn't that bottom out it's springs?

 

Also it should be noted that if the trailer brakes are applied the tongue weight will go up, probably substantially. That is because the center of gravity is high, well above where the trailer wheels contact the ground so there will be a forward rotation or torque. Just like when you brake hard in your car: there is substantial weight shift to the front wheels.

 

 

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Saw this on a flat bed tow truck while I was stopped at a light in town. Had to take it out of the rear quarter window. Not a project, but looked pretty nice for a hot rod. 

 

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On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 7:39 PM, Frank DuVal said:

Nope, it  Dodge Ram!:D

It could also be a Sterling Bullet.

 

Craig

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