Phillip Cole

Southeastern National Spring Meet, April 7

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23 hours ago, 61polara said:

As others have said, judging will start at 11 am, rain or not.  

Dave Bowman

Chief Judge

Southeastern Spring Meet

Charlotte, NC

Heading out from the  NYC area tomorrow morning. Hoping the weather is not too bad. I am bringing a clear plastic cover for the car just in case, and umbrellas for when I have to show the interior. White interiors and water do not mix well. It will be the first time in the rain since the restoration, if it rains!

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I'm looking forward to seeing your 1973 GS again, Phillip.  Have a safe drive!

 

As others have already said, the show field is on pavement, so you don't have to worry about mud.

 

The Charlotte Meet and Auto Fair are always great regardless of the weather (although it is nicer at any meet when you don't get drenched).  The Hornets Nest does a great job hosting the meet.  A well-kept secret is to go to the Speedway Club (located in the Smith Tower (the tinted glass building) for lunch.  It's great food for not much more than you'll pay one of the food vendors and you get a great view of the entire track.

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Holy car corral full of tow vehicles and daily drivers, Batman! I'd say a good 40% of the car corral is new pickup trucks. Is this how it's done here? 

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3 hours ago, Matt Harwood said:

Holy car corral full of tow vehicles and daily drivers, Batman! I'd say a good 40% of the car corral is new pickup trucks. Is this how it's done here? 

 

Are the trucks actually for sale or just using the car corral as parking spaces closer to the action?

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Well, I for one was disappointed in the flea market... I'm an OLD car guy (my newest car is 1931) and there may have been 10 spots in the flea market the did not have hot rod stuff. The experience of the speedway was great, but as a flea market, well I've attended better...

 

Frank

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36 minutes ago, charlier said:

 

Are the trucks actually for sale or just using the car corral as parking spaces closer to the action?

 

Just parking. Maybe half the vehicles in the car corral are just late-models there for on-field parking. I have a third car corral sticker I'm not using. If parking is a problem tomorrow, I'm going to put it on my rental car and drive it in. Who cares, right? 

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These photos were all taken (literally) within 100 feet of my car corral spaces (you can see my cars in many of the photos).

 

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Sorry Hornets' Nest Region, but you've gotta put some rules in place beyond just "no duallies" in the car corral. This is embarrassing. Three quarters of the car corral spaces are empty and half the spaces that are filled are guys who are just there for on-field parking. Hopefully Friday is different than Thursday, but if not, I'm going to feel like I've wasted A LOT of money coming here...

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I may have been a bit harsh a while ago when I said it was all hot rods. There was some late model roto tillers in the Red Field and some Chinese whirlygigs in the Green Field. Really??? This stuff should never be allowed in the flea market...

 

Frank

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12 hours ago, Roger Frazee said:

When is the judging school, at the Southeastern National Meet?

 

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Matt Harwood maybe that was a Thursday thing, I have never been there on a Thursday. Maybe some sellers just bring their cars for sale on Friday and Saturday when more people are there. Sorry I missed you today although I did walk the entire car corral once. While there are some handicapped folks who are obviously paying for a car corral space for a close parking space. Some tow vehicles were actually there for sale, some were apparently just parking, but certainly not 40% today. 

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I spent all day at the flea market and car corral today and didn't see nearly all of the cars and stuff.  This is a great meet.  Hopefully the weather will give us a break tomorrow.

 

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First, the complements: the event was well-organized and for the most part, volunteers knew what they were doing. I'm grateful to them for their help and ability to stay cool. It is a flat-out awesome venue and we were thrilled to have such a great location right at the start/finish line. Facilities were really first-rate and things seemed to move rather smoothly throughout the weekend. Parking issues were nonexistent and aside from being told we could bring our trailer into the track area to unload  then being told we couldn't, it was painless to load and unload. It was a long walk back to the trailer to get the second car, but meh, a little walking never hurt anyone. Change the caliber of hardware in the car corral and you'll have one hell of an event.

 

I didn't like that as a dealer I had to show my cars' titles to the club. Why do dealers have to do this and regular sellers don't? I'm FAR less apt to rip someone off than a guy who just buys a space and dumps a piece of junk in it. I don't usually travel with titles for security purposes and any deal I make at the event doesn't usually hinge on producing the title instantly. A dealer friend of mine was there (with a modern SUV and a tent) and even though he's local, he won't bring cars because he's a consignment dealer and doesn't have titles and is therefore not welcome. Who are you protecting and from what, exactly?

 

And honestly, I don't mean to be a jerk about the car corral, but it was a little ridiculous. I guess Friday was a bit better than Thursday simply because there were more vehicles overall, but I don't think the percentages changed very much. In the immediate area around us, it was EASILY 40-50% daily drivers and tow vehicles. If this were Hershey, people would lose their minds over just one of these things in the car corral. We were situated right at the start/finish line by the AACA tent, so you can see by the painting on the pavement that most of these photos were taken right around us--I didn't need to go all the way around the track to get this many photos of modern trucks. I probably could have walked all the way around and taken a hundred such photos. I took a few more photos on my walk up the track to the Speedway Club for lunch on Friday at about 2PM (for those of you who don't know where that is, it's about halfway between where I was at the start/finish line and turn 1, so maybe a 200 yard walk). It was clear that everyone uses the car corral as on-field parking. You'll also note that exactly zero of them show handicapped parking permits and only one has a For Sale sign on it (two others appear to have signs, but they're actually advertising cars that weren't at the event):

 

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Check it: out of the 15 vehicles visible in this photo of the car corral, 7 of them are modern trucks:

 

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It cost me thousands of dollars to be there this year. I brought good cars that were appropriate to the venue and to the AACA's mission. But we were totally boxed in and obscured by brand new giant pickup trucks--it was like being in a canyon. People walked right past a bright orange SUPERBIRD and its 6-foot-tall wing because they couldn't even see it with the giant pickup trucks parked all around it. The guy behind us caused a big fuss and made me move BOTH cars Friday morning so he could back his Blazer in, park it at an angle, and then joked with his buddies that it wasn't there to sell, he just didn't feel like walking (actually driving his scooter) to the parking lot (that's him with one of those ridiculous hair hats). I know you can't control who shows up but people are obviously gaming the system and don't care about the AACA or your event.

 

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This is an AACA event, right? How about just saying that any vehicle in the car corral has to be 25 years old or older? Boom! Problem solved! You've already banned duallies, why not the rest? I don't care about hot rods and modified cars or the hot rod stuff in the flea market areas--I don't even mind the guys selling non-auto-related junk. It's all kind of interesting and my kids liked that it wasn't just rusty car parts. Sure, you'd probably sell fewer car corral spaces and make less money by initiating a 25-year-old limit, but I'm not buying any more spaces ever again and conversations with the guys selling cars around me suggests that I'm not the only one who felt it was out of control--several said they've never seen it this bad. You can almost see the '34 Oldsmobile sedan two slots down from me, and that guy was angry enough to spit fire because his car was completely lost among the giant trucks. He could barely open his doors. I'm a first-timer, so I didn't know what was normal, but according to the guy with the Oldsmobile,  it was much worse this year than in the past. I was expecting a Hershey-like experience but instead I got Uncle Bill's Used Truck Lot.

 

Sorry, but this IS embarrassing for the Hornet's Nest Region, attendance numbers and dollar signs notwithstanding. What kind of event do you want this to be? Used car lot or genuine collector car venue?

 

Just some thoughts from a newcomer that you might want to discuss at the post-game meeting.

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That's why I stopped going,   Matt those car corral pictures scared the hell out of me! AACA ???  looks like Sam's Used car lot,  nothing like a AACA event I am used to.  I always went to the flea market for years and used to get some goodies, but its 90% buffers sand blasters repopped sheet metal tools tires, not that those things are not needed, I just prefer Rusty Gold the Original parts,  Not 1980's 1990's Parts,   Guess I am getting old. LOL  ;) Hope all had a good safe time. Cheers

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As usual, the Hornets Nest Region did an outstanding job with the Southeastern Spring Meet this year.  They really have this down to a tee--well organized, nice set up, friendly and helpful volunteers, and they always manage to attract a nice selection of cars on the show field.  Kudos to everyone who made it happen!

 

Unfortunately, the rain impacted the number of vehicles on the show field, but there was a great variety of really nice vehicles.  Thank you all the owners who braved the rain to share their vehicles with all of us and the many spectators who came to Charlotte Auto Fair--it's great publicity for our hobby and our club.

 

For those who couldn't make it to the Meet, here are some photos.  Try to make it to the Charlotte Meet next year--you'll definitely have fun.

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Mark,

 

Thank you for posting the photos from the car show. In some of the photos it looks like the owners of a few cars are using some of the recalled Kidde Fire Extinguishers that I posted about last fall. Do you know if the AACA judging teams are informing the car owners about the recall when they see potentially recalled extinguishers on the show field? If not, maybe the VP of Class Judging can  have someone make copies of the recall information that can be given to judging teams to hand out to car owners at future AACA events this year who still have/use the recalled extinguishers?? 

 

Yes, I do realize that the post about the recall was here on the forums for a long while and in the Speedster and elsewhere. Still, it appears that some AACA members missed it.

 

Charlie

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Got home last night, too late and too tired to check the posts or add anything, but I echo congratulations to HNR for a great auto fair.  The AACA meet in Sat suffered because of the rain, but still there were some fabulous vehicles out there that braved the elements.  There was a 1912 Cadillac, and a fantastic HPOF 1915 Model T Centerdoor Sedan that were really a pleasure to see.  Many others who braved the elements are commended for bring stuff out, including several great 1st time fresh restorations.  Really, it was just a drizzle - I've seen much worse!   The swap meet was a real treasure hunt and I covered a lot of it.  Granted the new parts vendors were out in force, but what do you expect?  They've been there since day one and it's a great chance to pick up what you need without paying shipping.  HNR runs a fantastic "shuttle" service too, so hauling stuff isn't the chore it is at many larger meets.  I found some neat stuff and overall would consider the seap meet better this year than some previously.  I collect early automobilia and saw plenty to choose from.  A friend who walked with me managed the buy of the year, finding a couple of really super Model t clincher rims for 10 bucks a piece.   I passed on a very nice pair of brass sidelamps because of some age cracking, buit they would have been twice the price at most other meets.  Lots of interesting cars for sale in the swap meet area too.  I didn't walk much around the track but did note some nice tow vehicles that were for sale.   With the threat of Saturday rain, many of the vendors began packing up late Friday but who can blame them. 

 

It's a typical HNR auto fair - one of the friendliest events in the country.  It's well run, the HRN folks are always smiling and helpful, and it'll always be one of my favorite events.  There is plenty for everyone and that's what makes it great.  

Terry

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Here is a photo of my class 34A and also a view from the speedway club ( nice lunch and refuge from the misty rain).

HNR hosted a well planned show that was a lot of fun. It was also a  great 700 mile road trip for the little HiPo 289. 

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James,

 

You have a nice looking GT fastback!  Looks like you were in a nice gathering of Mustangs; 2 fastbacks, a coupe and a convertible and all different colors too!  Nice to hear you drove it there and back.  Here is a pic of my '65 Caspian Blue coupe.

 

Matt

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Got back last night from the event. First time I attended and was very very disappointed. Not at the AACA part, but the rest of the event.  Like Matt said the car corral was a joke for the most part with modern cars for sale, including something like a 2016 Dodge Ram, newer cars you'd see on a corner used car lot. Yes there were some really nice cars, but the should limit the cars to older collector cars and I guess hot rods and modified if they have to.  You had the big vendors there, Coker, National Parts Depot and others, but for the most part very very little pre world war II stuff and for that matter even 50's stuff unless it was aftermarket eldebrock manifolds etc.  They even had some drifting club running their cars through a course all day and everyday if you like that sort of thing. The AACA event was handled very well, judges school and breakfast was very good and even though the rain was a problem on Saturday there were some very nice cars on the field to judge. There were a lot of empty spaces though, as I'm sure many owners did not want to bring out their cars in the rain.  I primarily went to see what it was like and to do my part to judge on Saturday, but not sure I'd recommend it to anyone in the future. 

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This was one Meet I always thought I would like to attend but never have - usually because a couple of other clubs I am in have regional or national meets in April so hard to make three far away shows in the same month.  Based on what I am reading here though, glad I have skipped it.  I have no desire to go to a show where there are new cars, modified cars, etc. as I can get that any local show any weekend.  I am glad folks enjoyed it and I know the show will continue on without my involvement but this will be one I will mark off of my list of potential shows.

 

Bob

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On 4/7/2018 at 9:20 PM, Mark McAlpine said:

As usual, the Hornets Nest Region did an outstanding job with the Southeastern Spring Meet this year.  They really have this down to a tee--well organized, nice set up, friendly and helpful volunteers, and they always manage to attract a nice selection of cars on the show field.  Kudos to everyone who made it happen!

 

Unfortunately, the rain impacted the number of vehicles on the show field, but there was a great variety of really nice vehicles.  Thank you all the owners who braved the rain to share their vehicles with all of us and the many spectators who came to Charlotte Auto Fair--it's great publicity for our hobby and our club.

 

For those who couldn't make it to the Meet, here are some photos.  Try to make it to the Charlotte Meet next year--you'll definitely have fun.

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 Mark, Thanks for the pictures. Sorry I missed you. You looked busy the few times I did see you. We had a good time at the event even with the rain. I plan on going again as it's always a fun time. I will make a new post of my photos.

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3 hours ago, Durant Mike said:

Got back last night from the event. First time I attended and was very very disappointed. Not at the AACA part, but the rest of the event.  Like Matt said the car corral was a joke for the most part with modern cars for sale, including something like a 2016 Dodge Ram, newer cars you'd see on a corner used car lot. Yes there were some really nice cars, but the should limit the cars to older collector cars and I guess hot rods and modified if they have to.  You had the big vendors there, Coker, National Parts Depot and others, but for the most part very very little pre world war II stuff and for that matter even 50's stuff unless it was aftermarket eldebrock manifolds etc.  They even had some drifting club running their cars through a course all day and everyday if you like that sort of thing. The AACA event was handled very well, judges school and breakfast was very good and even though the rain was a problem on Saturday there were some very nice cars on the field to judge. There were a lot of empty spaces though, as I'm sure many owners did not want to bring out their cars in the rain.  I primarily went to see what it was like and to do my part to judge on Saturday, but not sure I'd recommend it to anyone in the future. 

 

The corral was like this last year too.  New vehicles mixed in with old.  The corral should be limited to AACA eligible vehicles only.  There is a distinct line between Hershey and Charlotte, with Hershey catering more to the antique and brass folks while Charlotte caters more to the newer stuff.  Both of these annual meets are well run and well attended, it's all a matter of what you're looking for and what you're expecting out of it.

 

Matt

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