Guest Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Now THAT'S a head turner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhigdog Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 At some point ugly, if carried to extremes, can sometimes claim an attractiveness of it's own making. This ain't it.........................Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Notice these are looking like 1980's stuff. A guy with extra cash for a toy like that in the '80's would be around 80 years old or a little better today. Look for more showing up on the market. After the first flush there will be some bargains I look at that Packard and think about showing up at a Packard meet with it. I can't imagine anyone but Woodie Guthrie writing a song to document that experience: "They got the fever, sun stroke, Malaria, blue moonstruck, skeeter bit, And the blind staggers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Mark Wetherbee said: How about this Rolls Royce that just appeared on eBay... https://m.ebay.com/itm/1925-Rolls-Royce-Other-Sedan/323130648973?hash=item4b3c16698d:g:TncAAOSwkXdaothY the rare Maxwell powered version! It's not even that good. It's powered by a 74 2.3L Pinto engine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Serious question......................You can NOT sell a Street Rod in the Hershey swap meet, what would happen if the OP piece of crap "packard'"showed up? AACA better think that over. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3makes Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 In 25 years it will appear on the judging field at Hershey, so what difference does it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, Bleach said: It's powered by a 74 2.3L Pinto engine! With any luck, it also has a Pinto gas tank... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wetherbee Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, Bleach said: It's not even that good. It's powered by a 74 2.3L Pinto engine! Good god, I didn’t look that far into the ad but now I really have to wonder WHY??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 you mean this is not what it should look like in a 1939 Packard hood . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 A person would want to pay attention to that hood prop when starting the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Ugh -- everyone knows the master cylinder cover should be GOLD cad plated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdang Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: I know these guys and they're honest dealers and I would even call them friends, but I don't know how the in the world they sold this "1929 Cadillac Fleetwood" for more than $60,000. As the owner of a 1929 Cadillac, I'm having trouble even processing this thing. This is obviously the deluxe "Brinks" version for 1929. You know, with the market crash and all, one couldn't be careful enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Luddy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 21 hours ago, Paul Dobbin said: There are many attempts to sell modern car to people who want the old look and not a streetrod or a real antique because they are afraid of old cars reliability and repair costs. Try to find another plastic fender for that "Packard". Here is another licensed Ford "Replica" that Ford wishes they never allowed their name on. Is this a Shay replica? If so why do you say that Ford wishes they never had anything to do with it? Do you represent Ford Motor company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) Apologies to owners and enthusiasts, but I was always puzzled by the Shay replicas--is there a shortage of Model A roadsters I wasn't aware of? What's their purpose? A slightly faster Model A? A Model A for the guy who just never learned all that complicated clutch nonsense? Model As for people who just can't live without a radio? A Model A for people for whom gravity is just too complicated? Wherefore art thou, Shay Model A? Edited March 10, 2018 by Matt Harwood (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 When Shay's were being built there was a shortage of steel Model A roadster body's . These days you can buy a brand new Brookville roadster body that is virtually identical to an original Ford body. I doubt Shay's have much value in todays market. Greg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Actually the Shay has a big following, with shows, rallies and parts dealers. I found the one pictured in a yard sale about 20 years ago. Not running (had a bad computer module) In the short time I owned it I learned a lot about them. Shay made the Model A Roadster and few Model A pickups, then 57 T-Birds. Sold by Ford Dealers beginning in 1978, they were quite popular with their 4 cylinder Pinto running gear. I felt the car was to light for the Pinto suspension and it rode roughly a the the top of the springs. Shay had a hard time building them fast enough to fill dealer orders and there was a long wait to get one. This led to many complaints to FoMoCo about the wait and the poor fit & finish when delivered. I paid $3500 and sold it for $8,000 after lots of detailing, value today about $12,000. To 90% of the public, they are "antique cars". Technically they are eligible for AACA Shows. I think the club has ruled on that, but not sure of the rulings results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coyote Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Here are some Shay's for sale. At least they look like a Model A. https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/d/1929-model-shay-replica/6488229476.html https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/1929-ford-model-reproduction/6518520742.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 No Shay/way I would buy one of those, when you can pick up a real A Roadster for around the same money. https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/ford/model-a/2077760.html And picking up a Shay that needs restoration would really be going backwards. Buying one when they were new, might have been under restoration costs of a real one when you ad in purchase price. To buy one now for 14-18K, No Shay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/9/2018 at 10:13 AM, 28 Chrysler said: Here is the original and a replica done by a cheesy TV program. I think they at least got the colors of the fenders about right . I think the tire color is the same also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Here's a Faux-Cord! (Does that make it a 'Ford'...?) https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/cord/810/2082162.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The term "head turner" can also indicate an individual whose head is turned AWAY from unfavorable subject matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/9/2018 at 9:54 PM, 1912Staver said: When Shay's were being built there was a shortage of steel Model A roadster body's . These days you can buy a brand new Brookville roadster body that is virtually identical to an original Ford body. I doubt Shay's have much value in todays market. Greg And you would be wrong. NADA lists Shays at $10,050 (low retail) to $21,100 (high retail) with an average of $15,800. That's in US dollars - it's even more in your currency. About the same as a "real" Model A and yes, Shays do sell in that range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/10/2018 at 11:46 AM, Paul Dobbin said: Actually the Shay has a big following, with shows, rallies and parts dealers. I found the one pictured in a yard sale about 20 years ago. Not running (had a bad computer module) In the short time I owned it I learned a lot about them. Shay made the Model A Roadster and few Model A pickups, then 57 T-Birds. Sold by Ford Dealers beginning in 1978, they were quite popular with their 4 cylinder Pinto running gear. I felt the car was to light for the Pinto suspension and it rode roughly a the the top of the springs. Shay had a hard time building them fast enough to fill dealer orders and there was a long wait to get one. This led to many complaints to FoMoCo about the wait and the poor fit & finish when delivered. I paid $3500 and sold it for $8,000 after lots of detailing, value today about $12,000. To 90% of the public, they are "antique cars". Technically they are eligible for AACA Shows. I think the club has ruled on that, but not sure of the rulings results They also built a (very) few Model A C-cab panel trucks - less than 5, I think. There are some relatively simple modifications that significantly improve the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) I have been wrong more than once on this forum. I am afraid I am very hard pressed to see any real redeeming features in a Shay, however they clearly have a following. Even when they were new I failed to see anything about them that would appeal to me. But much of this thread is about individual taste and preference. Greg in Canada Edited March 13, 2018 by 1912Staver (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) If I was going to spend roughly $16,000.00-$20,000.00 on something Pinto powered it would be more along the lines of one of these vintage racing sports racers. It both goes better and handles better than a Shay. Probably a similar "rough" ride however. Remember it's all personal taste, and besides I already have enough Antique cars. The little blue number is for sale in Sweden so I probably won't be buying this one. There are a number of them over here as well, just have to find the right deal. Greg in Canada Edited March 13, 2018 by 1912Staver (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 1:03 AM, 1912Staver said: I have been wrong more than once on this forum. I am afraid I am very hard pressed to see any real redeeming features in a Shay, however they clearly have a following. Even when they were new I failed to see anything about them that would appeal to me. But much of this thread is about individual taste and preference. Greg in Canada Fair 'nuff. Both Shays and Model A's have their niche and following. I've owned Model A's and I can see advantages, and disadvantages, of Shays over them. It just PO's me when folks dis them because "they're not a REAL Model A" (and I'm not saying you did). They never claimed to be - they say REPRODUCTION right on the radiator badge. It's ironic that Shay owners often get incensed when their cars are called Model A - "No, it's a SHAY!" As you say, bottom line is individual taste and preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, CHuDWah said: Fair 'nuff. Both Shays and Model A's have their niche and following. I've owned Model A's and I can see advantages, and disadvantages, of Shays over them. It just PO's me when folks dis them because "they're not a REAL Model A" (and I'm not saying you did). They never claimed to be - they say REPRODUCTION right on the radiator badge. It's ironic that Shay owners often get incensed when their cars are called Model A - "No, it's a SHAY!" As you say, bottom line is individual taste and preference. If they are not fake Model A's why did the make them look like a 1928 1929 Model A Roadster from 100 feet away? Just wondering. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: If they are not fake Model A's why did the make them look like a 1928 1929 Model A Roadster from 100 feet away? Just wondering. Bob So you acknowledge they look like a Model A. They were factory built under license from Ford, sold by Ford dealers, and warranted by Ford. They were advertised as a reproduction of the Model A on the latter's golden (50th) anniversary. From Ford's perspective, it was a marketing ploy playing on the Model A reputation to get people in the showrooms, and it did just that. Current owners tend to prefer their cars be called Shay, rather than Model A, probably due to the "it's not a REAL Model A" disparagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, CHuDWah said: Current owners tend to prefer their cars be called Shay, rather than Model A, probably due to the "it's not a REAL Model A" disparagement. Glad you admit it, most of the Shay stickers have fallen off by now, so how is John Q. Public to know?. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, 1937hd45 said: Glad you admit it, most of the Shay stickers have fallen off by now, so how is John Q. Public to know?. Bob John Q. Public doesn't care. Most people would see that "Packard" and think it was a real antique car and would take the owner's word for it that it was a 1934 Packard. Things like that offend my eye, but I don't whether that's because I pay attention or because I have spent my life with real old cars. I think the general public has neither of those advantages and therefore anything out of the ordinary is extraordinary, no matter how crappy it is to people who know. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAU Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 10/03/2018 at 1:13 AM, 28 Chrysler said: Here is the original and a replica done by a cheesy TV program. I think they at least got the colors of the fenders about right That must be a spare steering wheel they have got stuck on the side of the....................replica? Or maybe it's a lifebuoy? That is undoubtably the definition of ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHuDWah Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 6 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Glad you admit it, most of the Shay stickers have fallen off by now, so how is John Q. Public to know?. Bob Ummm...no. The Shay radiator badge is riveted on - they seldom fall off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 11 hours ago, Matt Harwood said: John Q. Public doesn't care. Most people would see that "Packard" and think it was a real antique car and would take the owner's word for it that it was a 1934 Packard. Things like that offend my eye, but I don't whether that's because I pay attention or because I have spent my life with real old cars. I think the general public has neither of those advantages and therefore anything out of the ordinary is extraordinary, no matter how crappy it is to people who know. Thanks Matt, I'm sure there are more than the two of us with that same outlook.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Wolfe Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 When I go to a cruise in or car show and see a fiberglass car with a crate engine and you can tell it is a built car, then it has antique tags on it! I do not think this should be acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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