Xander Wildeisen Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/1941-cadillac-pickup/6469369914.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryB Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The dreaded ran when parked disclaimer! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 That car started life as a 1941 Cadillac Sixty Special. If you look at the one "as-found" photo, it does appear to have been a flower car originally. Probably built by Miller-Meteor or Hess & Eisenhardt. It was one of those real long wheelbase ones. Someone shortened it when they "restored" it and added the pickup bed. Someone put a lot of money and time into it fixing it up. I doubt they'll come close much of it get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Well the ad leaves a bit to be desired. Sounds like the engine came from a tank? They leave a lot of info out as to when and what was rebuilt. For 25G. I think it should atleast run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intimeold Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, auburnseeker said: Well the ad leaves a bit to be desired. Sounds like the engine came from a tank? They leave a lot of info out as to when and what was rebuilt. For 25G. I think it should atleast run. The poster may be referring to something like this, taken from Cadillac V-8 engine history: Google Cadillac V-8 Monobloc[edit] A 322 cu in (5.28 L) "monobloc" engine was used in 1936's Series 60. It was designed to be the company's next-generation powerplant at reduced cost from the 353 and Cadillac V12. The monobloc's cylinders and crankcase were cast as a single unit,[3] and it used hydraulic valve lifters for durability. This design allowed the creation of the mid-priced Series 60 line. Bore was 3.375 in (85.7 mm) and stroke was 4.5 in (110 mm). This engine was modified with a 3.5 in (89 mm) bore for the 1936-1948 346 cu in (5.67 L) engine. This was used in the Series 60/60S/61/62/63/65/67 and 70/72/75. It was also used in tanks, e.g. M5 Stuart, in World War II. Of course I don't know the poster's intentions. As the clip states, the 346 engine was used in some tanks WWII. Whether or not they were completely interchangeable, would take more research. intimeold Edited February 15, 2018 by intimeold (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 What YEAR did Cadillac begin with auto trannys ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, bobg1951chevy said: What YEAR did Cadillac begin with auto trannys ? 1941 3 hours ago, intimeold said: As the clip states, the 346 engine was used in some tanks WWII. Whether or not they were completely interchangeable, would take more research. Tank engines had iron pistons. IIRC an adapter is necessary for starter and perhaps more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Smolinski Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Cadcamino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Would have some value if it had been restored as the original flower car it was. Now it's just a homemade pickup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 From some of the photos with the bumper it looks more like a car converted for farm use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 In the "as found" photos, it has a pair of curiously inappropriate lamps mounted on top of the front fenders. They may date to '41, but I kind of doubt it. I suspect that this poor Caddy had been clowned around with plenty before it got to it's present shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) it doesn't have the 4" raised cowl of the quality jobs and it looks like a standard 60S wheelbase. Even the rear roof section. It may have actually been modified by a fire department during the '50's. In my area there have been a few cut down Cadillacs and one Packard fire cars over the years. If I had that car I would toss that pickup box and fabricate a deck lid. Then I would swear it was a long lost Dietrich coupe. They captured the style. I wonder if those are Model 75 coupe quarter panels. Bernie Edited February 15, 2018 by 60FlatTop (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WQ59B Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Also thinking this was never originally a coachbuilt flower car. None of the established coachbuilders extended the fenders on '41s/ used the S60S. Nothing else seems to match up with an original pro car, including the roofline, the trim, the side window, the wheelbase, etc. All the pics I've seen of '41s show commercial-length cars with 4 doors. Edited February 16, 2018 by WQ59B (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Agreed. As a former mortician, I am certain that car was never a flower car. As the pic, above, shows, they were much more elegant and well designed. The car seems to be a fairly well built, pickup truck. Possibly a dealership body shop converted a damaged car into a shop truck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatBird Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Original post was never a flower car. Looks like a home-made P-Cup. I guess it could transport flowers. Here is our 1958 Cadillac Flower Car made by Eureka, Senior Car one of four made. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatBird Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Here is a 1958 Cadillac that started life as a Sixty-Special, note the lower rear trim, Fleetwood, Factory air. It was converted into a flower car in the late 1950s or early 1960s it was extended three feet to have an eight-foot bed. It was used as a flower car only as there is no fold-down tailgate. Notice the picture comparing it to an original Sixty-Special. See the difference where the rear side spear is further back? The extension was there. In the mid-90s, it was repainted into a parade car. As a caveat, I would never disturb and original car into anything like this. I bought it for a parts car because I have four other 1958 Cadillacs. But when it arrived on a transporter, I decided to keep it intact. It has a certain panache in person. Other than the paint and bodywork, it is stock. I did add a custom steering wheel. Edited February 16, 2018 by CatBird (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brasscarguy Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 The tank engines were identical internally. The blocks were quite different how they were mounted in their respective frames. The tanks had 1 engine for each set of tracks. These tank engines were dipped in cosmoline, they took one hell of a lot of work to get them cleaned up. They dipped canvas in the cosmoline and wrapped the engines in it. I purchased a surplus Cadillac motor when restoring my father's 1941 Cadillac convertible sedan. They were very inexpensive at the time $300 each in 1985. We used all of the surplus motors innards. It was an easy swap over. We used the pistons, rods, crank, timing components, valves and the hydraulic lifters. Our car had minimal miles on the odometer and the bore was not worn . Just a light hone and we were stylin' just sayin' brasscarguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61polara Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 The roof on the car reminds me of a '50 Plymouth business coupe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I can remember a couple of the old guys who used to hang around my brother's gas station laughing about someone that they knew who thought he had scored big time when he bought several brand new Hydramatics cheap at some Army surplus auction. As they explained it, the guy didn't realize that the tank Hydramatics didn't have reverse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 It kind of reminds me of a Hudson pickup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Ouch VL2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Xander Wildeisen said: Ouch VL2. In a bad way. Without the style. Like they made a bad knock off. I think it’s the rear fenders. Edited February 19, 2018 by victorialynn2 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 Not to worry, the thought of a Cadillac trying to look as good as a Hudson, makes a person smile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I thought the length of the hood in comparison to the cab had a small resemblance to the “Big Boy” but not as good looking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 I am trying to work with the two of you, but I just can not see anything the same. Maybe color choice? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Reminiscent but not in the same class for sure. The long hood, length, etc. Edited February 19, 2018 by victorialynn2 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I agree, I’ve always loved the big boy look. Someday if this body holds up that long I’ll find one I can afford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, SC38DLS said: I agree, I’ve always loved the big boy look. Someday if this body holds up that long I’ll find one I can afford. My dad had a couple just like Xander’s a few years before I went to Tx. I have pics somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Maybe I should just find out where Xander lives and hope he leaves the keys in the garage. Lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, SC38DLS said: Maybe I should just find out where Xander lives and hope he leaves the keys in the garage. Lol Then come get me and take me for a ride! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 I was just down in your area VL2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 18 hours ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: I can remember a couple of the old guys who used to hang around my brother's gas station laughing about someone that they knew who thought he had scored big time when he bought several brand new Hydramatics cheap at some Army surplus auction. As they explained it, the guy didn't realize that the tank Hydramatics didn't have reverse. How did they back them up??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Xander Wildeisen I love the Alamo, Riverwalk area. Hope you had good weather. I came back to Oregon this winter. It’s freezing and I’m not used to it anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 13 hours ago, victorialynn2 said: Then come get me and take me for a ride! ? I will but hope you are ready for a wild ride as I would have to drive it like I stole it !! Wait a minute I would have!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Wildeisen Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 If you really squint the Charger looks as much like my Hudson, as the Cadillac does. And then you will be on the run SC38DLS (and your dogs to) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I had a charger when I came home from across the pond and got out of the army in Dec 68. Young, dumb, foot loose and didn’t have to worry about Uncle Sam any more I drove it almost (but not quite) as crazy as that. I have to say it helped get my head back on the right way. Back then the Charger was a better ride than a Hudson would have been, today it would be a toss up. Dave S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 17 hours ago, CarlLaFong said: How did they back them up??? Perhaps some separate mechanical gear box was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 2/18/2018 at 6:17 PM, victorialynn2 said: It kind of reminds me of a Hudson pickup. Perhaps a Hudson "Little Boy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 They turn in place - hold the brakes on one set of tracks go forward with other and it turns in a circle -- anything in its way gets crushed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I guess to speculate on the tank reverse thing a little more, "reverse" in a Hydramatic, like any automatic transmission, is a go-slow business. I could see where having the full range of speeds that a Hydramatic offered in both directions might be important in some "get out of there in a hurry" situations. But the truth of the matter is I'm going beyond speculation on this point. I will say that just being able to turn in place might have been enough, but I'm inclined to doubt it. I would think that some kind of reverse would be best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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