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On ‎2‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 9:21 PM, KongaMan said:

Your steering wheel and a modicum of attentiveness will get you out of more situations than will disc brakes.

 

If you're involved in that many near misses, maybe you should modify your driving style instead of your brakes. ;)

Nothing is that black and white man. Never been to California? I had manual drums on my mustang. Most roads in the desert are at least 50mph, and people like to pull out in front of you. There's at least 4 times I remember that I thought I was done, from a-holes in toyotas. I went to power, and it was a different car. Then went to disc, and it was a different car again. I'm sure the drums on buicks are friggin amazing, but nothing will ever top disc for panic situations.

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10 hours ago, jsgun said:

Nothing is that black and white man. Never been to California?

I've lived there for over 20 years.

 

10 hours ago, jsgun said:

I had manual drums on my mustang.

 

Well, that's a POS car with POS brakes. :P Apples and oranges.  And that's the point: drum brakes aren't this monolithic technology wherein all applications are created equal.  Put front discs on a 64 Chevy and you'll see noticeable improvement.  Of course, you'd also get better performance from 12" drums.  Given that the Riviera starts with those 12" drums, the difference between those drums and discs is much smaller.  And that's what folks are saying: when you're talking about incremental improvements, it needs to be a significant increment to be worthwhile.  For many of us, that increment isn't large enough to justify the time, effort, and expense.

 

10 hours ago, jsgun said:

There's at least 4 times I remember that I thought I was done, from a-holes in toyotas. I went to power, and it was a different car. Then went to disc, and it was a different car again. I'm sure the drums on buicks are friggin amazing, but nothing will ever top disc for panic situations.

 

Nothing is that black and white man.

 

I live in a world of "driving is their next skill" drivers.  You wanna talk about folks pulling out in front of you?  Try dealing with roads full of Asian women in minivans. ;)  Just the other day I'm going down a 6-lane road and the car in the left lane hangs a right turn across traffic while the car in the right lane is cutting across two lanes to turn left.  Keep your eyes open, leave space in front of you, and watch your mirrors so you know your evasion options.

 

Besides, there are almost always contributing factors in the near misses that I see.  That guy pulled out in front of you?  Yeah, but you were doing 45 in a 30.  The car in front of you stopped short for a yellow light?  Maybe so, but you were drafting him like you were Ricky Bobby.  Accidents are usually the result of compounded errors, by all parties involved.

 

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3 hours ago, KongaMan said:

I live in a world of "driving is their next skill" drivers.  You wanna talk about folks pulling out in front of you?  Try dealing with roads full of Asian women in minivans. ;)  Just the other day I'm going down a 6-lane road and the car in the left lane hangs a right turn across traffic while the car in the right lane is cutting across two lanes to turn left.  Keep your eyes open, leave space in front of you, and watch your mirrors so you know your evasion options.

 

Besides, there are almost always contributing factors in the near misses that I see.  That guy pulled out in front of you?  Yeah, but you were doing 45 in a 30.  The car in front of you stopped short for a yellow light?  Maybe so, but you were drafting him like you were Ricky Bobby.  Accidents are usually the result of compounded errors, by all parties involved.

 

Where I live it's the bottle blonde millennials driving their Hyundai SUV's, who think they're driving a Mercedes around the Nurburgring, and act as though they're late to everything and have to explain why  over their cell phone to anyone who'll listen.   Headlights disappear in my rear view mirror thinking that if they push me I'll pull over, even though I'm already 10 over the speed limit trying to keep up with the flow of traffic and there's someone next to me in the other lane.  That's when my right foot gets light and I slow to a speed that won't cause major damage if I get rear ended.   Then by the grace of God they do get by me and wind up stopped at the next red light.   

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On 2/18/2018 at 2:54 PM, RivNut said:

Opinions wanted.

 

How many think that a disk brake setup on a first generation Riviera is more of a bling factor than a true improvement in braking performance?  No considerations for canyon carving, just day in day out daily driving.

 

Mine was completely for bling/factor front and rear. And I always hated working on drum brakes - doesn’t matter if they are superior. 

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On 2/21/2018 at 5:39 PM, RivNut said:

Where I live it's the bottle blonde millennials driving their Hyundai SUV's, who think they're driving a Mercedes around the Nurburgring, and act as though they're late to everything and have to explain why  over their cell phone to anyone who'll listen. 

 

I used to work where coworkers thought being cynical AND opinionated was being kind of greedy. Cynical AND opinionated makes me remember this famous statement.

 

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4 hours ago, sixxer said:

 And I always hated working on drum brakes - doesn’t matter if they are superior. 

 

Now, that makes sense. ;)

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Updates on this project

Finished machining up the second caliper bracket

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New shoes for the Riviera since the old tires are at least 12yrs old and probably more.  Just some basic Hankook 275/70R15's to get a decent tire that could last 2yrs or the next 12, who knows.  That's my daily driver in the background, 1982 Fuji Del Rey road bike.

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Masked and painted the second set of wheels after knocking the centering rings out of them.  These are at the local America's Tire getting the tires installed today

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Finished machining the brackets and yes the brackets are upside down in the picture compared to the spindles but I have mirror images and they fit on their respective spindles.  I did have to grind a bit on the spindle over the middle bolt and around the lower attach bolt since the castings were fairly rough.  Most of it was with a sanding drum and a hand file so the removal is fairly light but needed

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I then went and painted the spindles, steering arms, and brackets Rustoleum Hi Temp silver

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Now onto assembly...

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And now they're pretty much done!  I do need to make a hardline that goes from the caliper to a bracket on that open bolt hole in the spindle to connect the shown braided steel line to the caliper.

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Next month I'll get these mounted and bled since I need to get the car into the garage for that project and I'm not going to have time till then for the major work (i.e. patching up the rusty floor around the seat mounts) that goes along with rebuilding much of the front suspension to account for the lower weight in the nose.

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Well the hope the NISSAN wouldn't be seen was a bit off...
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But it fits and clears and has enough clearance to be sufficient. Plumbed and bled too. Mark that project as done!

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14 minutes ago, CTX-SLPR said:

Well the hope the NISSAN wouldn't be seen was a bit off...
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But it fits and clears and has enough clearance to be sufficient. Plumbed and bled too. Mark that project as done!

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I would imagine that a grinder would make short work of that.

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If I really wanted to I'd put them in the mill and machine it off and paint them argent grey... however I feel like it would take a bit of the value off of them when I go to resell them after I'm done with this project.  240SX and the 300Z guys can bolt these straight on so there is some value there.

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