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On ‎2‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 9:21 PM, KongaMan said:

Your steering wheel and a modicum of attentiveness will get you out of more situations than will disc brakes.

 

If you're involved in that many near misses, maybe you should modify your driving style instead of your brakes. ;)

Nothing is that black and white man. Never been to California? I had manual drums on my mustang. Most roads in the desert are at least 50mph, and people like to pull out in front of you. There's at least 4 times I remember that I thought I was done, from a-holes in toyotas. I went to power, and it was a different car. Then went to disc, and it was a different car again. I'm sure the drums on buicks are friggin amazing, but nothing will ever top disc for panic situations.

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10 hours ago, jsgun said:

Nothing is that black and white man. Never been to California?

I've lived there for over 20 years.

 

10 hours ago, jsgun said:

I had manual drums on my mustang.

 

Well, that's a POS car with POS brakes. :P Apples and oranges.  And that's the point: drum brakes aren't this monolithic technology wherein all applications are created equal.  Put front discs on a 64 Chevy and you'll see noticeable improvement.  Of course, you'd also get better performance from 12" drums.  Given that the Riviera starts with those 12" drums, the difference between those drums and discs is much smaller.  And that's what folks are saying: when you're talking about incremental improvements, it needs to be a significant increment to be worthwhile.  For many of us, that increment isn't large enough to justify the time, effort, and expense.

 

10 hours ago, jsgun said:

There's at least 4 times I remember that I thought I was done, from a-holes in toyotas. I went to power, and it was a different car. Then went to disc, and it was a different car again. I'm sure the drums on buicks are friggin amazing, but nothing will ever top disc for panic situations.

 

Nothing is that black and white man.

 

I live in a world of "driving is their next skill" drivers.  You wanna talk about folks pulling out in front of you?  Try dealing with roads full of Asian women in minivans. ;)  Just the other day I'm going down a 6-lane road and the car in the left lane hangs a right turn across traffic while the car in the right lane is cutting across two lanes to turn left.  Keep your eyes open, leave space in front of you, and watch your mirrors so you know your evasion options.

 

Besides, there are almost always contributing factors in the near misses that I see.  That guy pulled out in front of you?  Yeah, but you were doing 45 in a 30.  The car in front of you stopped short for a yellow light?  Maybe so, but you were drafting him like you were Ricky Bobby.  Accidents are usually the result of compounded errors, by all parties involved.

 

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3 hours ago, KongaMan said:

I live in a world of "driving is their next skill" drivers.  You wanna talk about folks pulling out in front of you?  Try dealing with roads full of Asian women in minivans. ;)  Just the other day I'm going down a 6-lane road and the car in the left lane hangs a right turn across traffic while the car in the right lane is cutting across two lanes to turn left.  Keep your eyes open, leave space in front of you, and watch your mirrors so you know your evasion options.

 

Besides, there are almost always contributing factors in the near misses that I see.  That guy pulled out in front of you?  Yeah, but you were doing 45 in a 30.  The car in front of you stopped short for a yellow light?  Maybe so, but you were drafting him like you were Ricky Bobby.  Accidents are usually the result of compounded errors, by all parties involved.

 

Where I live it's the bottle blonde millennials driving their Hyundai SUV's, who think they're driving a Mercedes around the Nurburgring, and act as though they're late to everything and have to explain why  over their cell phone to anyone who'll listen.   Headlights disappear in my rear view mirror thinking that if they push me I'll pull over, even though I'm already 10 over the speed limit trying to keep up with the flow of traffic and there's someone next to me in the other lane.  That's when my right foot gets light and I slow to a speed that won't cause major damage if I get rear ended.   Then by the grace of God they do get by me and wind up stopped at the next red light.   

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On 2/18/2018 at 2:54 PM, RivNut said:

Opinions wanted.

 

How many think that a disk brake setup on a first generation Riviera is more of a bling factor than a true improvement in braking performance?  No considerations for canyon carving, just day in day out daily driving.

 

Mine was completely for bling/factor front and rear. And I always hated working on drum brakes - doesn’t matter if they are superior. 

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