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So a rare editorial was published in this month''s BUGLE, written by Larry Schramm, Pre-war guru, and I helped him with the latest acquisition last weekend, a 1908 Model F!

So, what do you think about Larry's editorial, much of what has been said before but what do you really think? This is the problem with all clubs is it not? Figure it out and you are a hero for all! 

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1 hour ago, BUICK RACER said:

So a rare editorial was published in this month''s BUGLE, written by Larry Schramm, Pre-war guru, and I helped him with the latest acquisition last weekend, a 1908 Model F!

So, what do you think about Larry's editorial, much of what has been said before but what do you really think? This is the problem with all clubs is it not? Figure it out and you are a hero for all! 

 

 I am with Larry all the way.  I actually spend so much of my time at "shows" or "meets"   looking at other cars, that i do not get to talk about mine or show it off much. I offer others the opportunity driving, should they choose.  Want a ride? Want a picture? Hop in.  Just please respect it and supervise the kiddos.

 

  Ben

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I made a point of reading Larry's editorial earlier today.  I thought it was excellent, and found myself nodding in agreement regarding most of his points.  In particular, I agree with his thoughts regarding the parking layout at our National Meets; Larry advocates parking in chronological order regardless of judging class.

 

Larry's comments regarding sharing our cars with others as a means of generating enthusiasm for the hobby was a fine challenge to all of us.

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Brian, thank you for taking the time to respond on here.  As a current sitting member of the BCA Board of Directors, I have a favor to ask of you.  Would you please take the time and send an email to every member of the board and tell them just what you said here?  They NEED to hear these comments from the general membership out in the field so to speak.  Our club has gotten so far away from the founding principles of fun, friendships, and talking about and sharing old Buicks that it is slowly killing the interest of members wanting to renew their memberships.  Larry Schramm and Mark Shaw are going to run again for board seats next Spring.  I urge you to vote for these two dedicated enthusiasts and ask every BCA member that you know to also vote for them.  We need to get this organization back on the right track.  Again, thank you for your comments.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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I have one more thought to add about Larry's article.  Pete had to put the disclaimer in at the beginning to keep certain people quiet (the gung-ho judging crowd) and state that the article did not represent the views of BCA officers or board members.  I'm OK with that, HOWEVER, every word that Larry put down is EXACTLY how I feel and I could not have said things any better myself.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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And that is a shame.  What are the bod and officers opinions ?  If only there was a definitive way to get the views of the majority of the members. Or do the majority not care, one way or the other?  

 

  While on the subject of FUN, I personally enjoy shows in park like settings. I realize this is not always possible, considering the need for hotels. But when possible?

 

  Ben 

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For the past couple of years I have made a point of not giving my opinion but this is just too important of several issues to as my wife would say JUST SHUT UP. Ok I wont. Larry Schramm raises several issues and when I was on the BOD these issues came up every year. The parking issue came to a head in South Bend in 2013. There were some down right rude members on each side. I took a stand and came away bloody. I still have the same stand although it doesn't mean anything. Simply put we all drive Buicks and some are almost worshiped and some should be left in a dirt field rusting away. Judging is very important for the  new member who has never had a car judged.  It is very important to that owner. For some members who have taken cars to a several meets and has had it judged year after year judging does not mean as much. I think some members just want to have their car judged so they have a better place to park. All Buicks on the show field should be displayed by Year so an owner who is trying to restore a car they can see the progress that have been made year to year. 

I don't think that we can compare the Ford Meet to the Buick meet. If we want to compare Ford meet to something it would need to be compared to General Motors not just one Brand. 

Larry made a point to allow a Buick in any condition to be included in the national meet and I have to agree 101% Simply put ITS A BUICK IT BELONGS. 

The point was also made that the new member award should be members that are just that members. I agree that a business that have access to a lot of names should note be eligible to win the award

I like that Pete put the disclaimer also in the Bugle because there are members who like to pick flies out of a pile of S>>> make that garbage. Thanks Pete.

I think the article was well written and I hope it will get members to think about some things that can be changed and some that cant. It is so very critical that we find a way to  gain new members but we need to find a way to RETAIN new members. Yes members should be willing to share how the cars drive or just simply sit in one. I remember one  meet I was treated like a 2nd class member when he pulled his car  out of the trailer and he was not happy that his car was on a slight slope and his car did not  sit totally level and there were some small rocks in the show field and he didn't want to pick the rocks out of his tires. Oh well he had it judged and then back in the trailer. No body really saw the car, but he got another award.. 

Just a quick head scratcher from me..Why are we  paying the BOD more money.  I always thought that $500.00 was a good deal. 

I remember how I felt when I tried to get a Scholarship to get some younger folks involved but that was not to be. I was told that the BOD would like to revisit that issue and I am still waiting. What does the BCA have for a GIVE BACK TO THE MEMBERS?

The next election lets make sure we elect someone who has the clubs best interest in mind and not someone who just wants the travel money. . 

I can only guarantee everybody one thing  I wont be running. I love sitting in the parking lot drinking beer, its much more fun

I would like to challenge all members running for the BOD to respond to a set of questions that are important to the BCA. Everyone running should have their answers published in the Bugle then maybe members would have more information to make a decision. The bios that is printed in the Bugle in April each year is everybody running trying to pat them selves on the back

My hat is off to Larry he made a stand. Thanks

 

 

 

 

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Larry made some good arguments and I was agreeing with most until he used the term "trailer queen" , which shows his contempt for those that restore to historical accuracy, clean and detail and choose not to drive.

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and a real "trailer queen" was the one pushed out of the trailer on to the show field with no fluids in it, didn't want to get it dirty, saw it happen at the BCA National in Georgia!

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Roberta, what would be the point in having something like that that could not be driven and enjoyed?  I have my opinion about someone who would do that, but I cannot state it on here.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

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2 minutes ago, Terry Wiegand said:

Roberta, what would be the point in having something like that that could not be driven and enjoyed?  I have my opinion about someone who would do that, but I cannot state it on here.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

 

 I will. Big EGO and BIG bank account.  To each his own. 

 

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5 hours ago, old-tank said:

Larry made some good arguments and I was agreeing with most until he used the term "trailer queen" , which shows his contempt for those that restore to historical accuracy, clean and detail and choose not to drive.

 

I trailer my truck to many places because of it's age. Being a 1915 I trailer to many shows and tours, but I am not afraid to drive it.  We have taken it to in state and out of state tours and drove it until it broke.  Standard process for persons that drive their cars is drive it, break it, and fix it, repeat.  Two years ago we broke a rod and this summer had a drive line problem.  

 

Living in a metropolitan area (Detroit) it is not practical to drive it in many areas.  That said, we do drive it a lot.  I am guessing that we drove it over 500 miles this year on tours and around town.  And that is reflective of the down time getting parts made to fix the breakdowns. I can not just go to the local parts store and pick up a new part.  That driving includes out to eat, shopping, to church, friends homes, and about any where else we care to go.

 

Complain about the use of trailer queen terminology but it does not encourage new members into the hobby or club.  Individuals that come to shows with that type of aura are turned off by the money chase for "the perfect vehicle" because that is an exclusive atmosphere and not an inclusive atmosphere.

 

If you want to really bring new persons into the club we must park all vehicles by year, encourage everyone that has any BUICK in any condition to attend and put their cars on the show field including individuals that might have what we call a "rust bucket" so they can get to know others that have a similar car and can develop friendships and get help to improve their car.  Some day that "rust bucket" may become a very respectable driver or more.  NOT EVERY ONE has the financial means some of us have be able to spend unlimited funds on our hobby.  Many persons are in different stages of their life and financial position. ie: age/job/offspring/etc..  I know because for years I rarely spent more that maybe $100.00 on my daily driver.  

 

If you want to bring new persons into the hobby and club we all must be welcoming and be willing to be teachers & mentors to the younger generation.  That is why I wrote the editorial and I will stick to my comments.  If we are to bring in new members then we MUST HAVE A PRODUCT THAT THE CONSUMER IS WILLING TO BUY!   Last time I checked the major product that car clubs have to sell to have dues paying members is friendships, technical help, and be willing to help others.  Clubs by definition are a social network experience.

 

Here is the definition of a true trailer queen:

 

1 hour ago, BUICK RACER said:

and a real "trailer queen" was the one pushed out of the trailer on to the show field with no fluids in it, didn't want to get it dirty, saw it happen at the BCA National in Georgia!

 

Those of us that give rides, let persons get their pictures taken at shows, etc.. are the ones spreading goodwill to join the club. 

 

As I said in my article  Einstein is attributed to defining insanity as continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result.

 

Where will we be if we continue to do the same thing?

 

PS: Oldtank,  If you really want your view to have some credibility, then change your identifier from Oldtank to your real name and stop hiding.

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WARNING:   Long post follows and it reflects my own personal opinion, not that of anyone on the current Board of Directors.

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I very much appreciate Larry’s work to address these issues.  On the topic of getting folks interested in the hobby it made me step back and think about the times I have offered my sons the opportunity to drive my various Buicks.  When they were in their 20’s I would not even consider it.  I only had the one car, it had too many quirks, and I did not want them to crash the car and hurt anyone in the process.  As far as I know they are all interested in Buicks.  I took them to meets and events when I could and we incorporated the Buicks in our family activities when possible.  And they have gone through their own Buicks over the years as well.  Eventually each will have one of mine.  However, only two sons were interested in the BCA, and with financial pressures being what they are today, both have had to sideline their memberships.   I hope they will renew in the future.

On the topic of national meet parking, I do not disagree with the chronological order proposal.  But I challenge the thought that this will fix the membership retention issue and, further, that this club has gotten away from the basic founding principles of fun, friendships, and talking about and sharing old Buicks. 

As for fixing membership retention, less than 1 percent of the current members attend a National Meet.  And changing the layout of cars at a National Meet is unlikely to be of concern to the vast majority of members who do not attend.  And  I would think that before any decision is made on an issue like this, some research would have to be done to make sure we were not just alienating a new group to satisfy another group.  I would think that the members bringing the issue would have done some of that research, to start, but I don’t see it.  So what basis is there for this change, other than some people’s personal preferences?

Lets talk a little bit about fun.  In this discussion it is implied that parking the cars in chronological order would provide fun for everyone.   I do not think that is a given.  To me, fun is in the eye of the beholder.  Each person has their own idea of what fun means for themselves.  Therefore, who can say that any particular parking arrangements  would provide fun for anyone else?  As much as some would like a particular arrangement it is practically guaranteed that someone else won’t like it.   

Off hand I can think of three classes that may not like a change like this at all. How about the Modified class?  Modifieds come in all year ranges.  How would they like to be stretched all over the field?  What about the Reatta’s being spread out within the three years of their production?  Will they find that fellowship next to the rest of the Buicks?  As we all know there is usually a large Riviera presence.  How will they feel split up over their 3 decades of production?  All of these questions are rhetorical, as no one has done any research for the answers.

By the way, parking the cars in any type of restricted order, which includes the past practices as well as by chronological order,  in order to “have fun”,  is just as likely to result in dissatisfaction.   Some people do not like being told how they are supposed to have fun.

As far as friendships and talking about old Buicks goes, for this writer, I point out that I own vehicles in a variety of years.  I know some people with similar vehicles, and additional people with different  years too.  So chronological parking will not ensure that I will be parked with friends.  Further, it’s no guarantee that the people I will be parked with will even be friendly or want to talk.  Parking by class provides  the exact same situation.  However, I have not found it difficult to locate friends and talk about old  Buicks.  In fact, at Wisconsin, I found my friends sitting in the shade of the trees,  and nowhere near any one of our cars.  So I do not see where the location of the car on a show field really impacts these three attributes of the Meet. 

On the topic of reducing emphasis on judging, I think that is very problematic.  Initially I cannot conceive how one would reduce emphasis on judging.  You either judge or don’t.   When we did not have judging in Allentown there were many complaints about the lack of it.  And in the last five out of six national meets I’ve attended,  as  Larry says; about  1/3rd of the attendees wanted their cars judged.  Perhaps to this group, having their car judged is their idea of fun?   If we indicate that we will no longer focus efforts on judging then those 1/3rd may decide not to attend at all. This could have the effect of reducing the already small percentage of the membership that attends a National Meet.   That could snowball into others not attending due to the perceived lack of interest.   Of course I qualify all of this by stating:   I do not have the research to prove this theory.  But since no one has done any research,  it is just as plausible as any other theory.

In general, it is my observation that folks in this hobby are happiest when they are showing their car to interested spectators.  Spectator’s includes other owners of cars within the same event.   And parking the cars in chronological order may result in dissatisfaction if the guy next to you only wants to show you his car, while you only want to show your car.  And I will point out that some people couldn’t care less for any other year car than the one they own.  I fielded a call the other day from someone in the Club who told me he had no interest in anything before 1938.   For these folks, and a few spectators who might be interested in the evolution of the brand, chronological parking may be a benefit.   But I do not think there has been any outcry among attendees or spectators to see this.  Rather it has been my experience that spectators stopping to see my car do so for personal reasons.  Either they owned one or someone close to them owned one.  In that case, if they only had to walk to one section of the lot to see what they wanted to see, then how will people feel if most people never walk past their car?

Getting back to reasons for reduced membership renewals, I might mention that this could just be a byproduct of nature.  Take a look in the mirror folks.  Not one of us is getting any younger.  Some folks eliminate their cars in anticipation of downsizing, others may succumb and their cars go to Estate Auctions.  In either case they have little incentive to renew especially if they are in an area not served by a local Chapter.  But a few more observation if you’ll allow me:  I belong to this club because I appreciate all 114 years and countless models of Buicks.  However, it appears to me that the latest trend has been for specialization. Look at the number of web groups which cultivate discussion on just one model, year, or feature.  Even within our own club the trend of late has been for Divisions related to small niches of the vast universe of this historical marquee.   If folks continue to specialize then why would they want to join a group that generalizes?  This is the main question for me.   What is there of value in the BCA for someone who only cares about their one car?  If we could find an answer to this question then maybe we could address increasing membership.

And don’t forget that the founding reason for this Club was to preserve Buicks as they were delivered from the factory.   We used to focus just on cars that meet the standard of originality.  But what has been the trend?  Anything but original.  Why would those who do not care for originality want to join the BCA?  And it is obvious that they already have outlets to show their passion.  Look at any of the big hot rod shows nation-wide. There are lots of them across this land.  The Good Guys show in Syracuse NY draws upwards of 7,000 cars, year after year!  The attendees may belong to different local Clubs but they go to these events because it is billed as a National Event, and there are a lot of cars and activities, and I suspect because it is in their backyard (so to speak).   

In a similar vein, many folks belong to AACA locals where there is usually a show each year.  These events seem to happen all over the Country.   Again, a major convenience factor for local attendees.  I am sure there are some people who travel to far-away events, but I believe most of these events bring out scores of local folks who for one reason or another, cannot travel to events far away. 

The BCA has only one National Meet each year, and it can be anywhere.  There are folks who attend no matter where it’s held, but I believe it can be documented that the area hosting the Meet experiences  a resurgence in membership renewals,  when people realize the event is in their back yard.  Of course we also have Regional Meets, but they can be laid back affairs with no organizing principals or requirements.  Some are multiple day events, while others can be a Show within a Show.   Almost none of the Regionals have any formal judging.   If there was formal judging at the Regional’s  then chances are some of those 1/3 rd members in each area would make the trip. But without that activity they would need another reason to attend.  On top of that, once a car is judged and awarded a top prize, I think the owner may lose some incentive to remain active.   Look again at the AACA system.  From what I understand, no one can get the top award in their first judging session.  This keeps people coming back for a 2nd and 3rd time to seek those coveted top awards.  Perhaps that’s a key to keeping people involved?  Local Judging and stepped award system?  This however, would require a major revamping of the judging and awards program, where the editorial calls for reduced emphasis on judging.   

Ultimately people are going to come and go in this hobby.  Some only own an old car because it seemed like a cool thing to do and they happened across a good deal.  I know one guy who thought his car was a Chevelle till he got it home and saw it was a Buick.  He freely admits his was an opportunistic buy and he does not consider himself a true Buick Guy.  How many variations of that can you find?  How about the guy who buys a car cause he desires it, but a few years later he is bored, and sells to replace it with something else piquing his current interests?   What value would this person find in the BCA?

At this point I ask:  why should we beat ourselves up because neither of these guys are interested in this Club? 

We are doing nothing except stressing ourselves out over this membership retention and renewal thing.  People will come and go in this club, just like every other social/ fraternal organization out there.   Twisting people’s arm to join the Club is an act of futility, in that they may join and abandon the club at will.  And I think it creates a negative impression of the people within the Club if someone is forced to join.  There has to be something of value for them to join and renew annually on a voluntary basis.  And from what I’ve experienced, the National and Regional  Meets have been the sort of thing that conveys that value.

 There for I think the most effective thing we all could do is document just what it is that keeps you renewing on an annual basis.  From these thoughts it may be possible to find a common set of values that can be used to appeal to non members.

Meanwhile I’d like to mention that Terry Weigand had a good thought about the need for a National Public Relations Coordinator in this club.  He expressed this in a BOD meeting  recently.  While his  thoughts were for someone to specialize in  publicizing the National Meet in the area it is being held,  I think it could go further.  If that position also existed for purposes of coordinating BCA efforts to advertise on any and all niche group sites, then we could have a very valuable resource to market our club.  This person could work on finding low cost or free advertising opportunities where they may exist,  and market our club to may not know we exist.  With a list of BCA values and a concentrated marketing efforts then we might see a change in new membership levels.   But it will be the efforts of people working together  that will solve these and other problems.  

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JD, I think there may be an error in your math. If I understand it correctly, there are about 7,000 BCA members. With 300-600 members at a National, I think we are in the 5-10% range rather than less than one. 

 

I didn't want to wade into this - I prefer Brian's approach.

 

First, I'm not sure there is a big emphasis on judging. Perhaps it is a perceived emphasis to those who don't have their beautiful Buicks judged. Yes, there are more resources put toward the awards and banquet presentations, but having a Buick judged costs more on the registration so that should cover those resources.

 

Our Reatta hasn't been judged so it typically hasn't been parked with the rest of the herd. I'm not sure if that is good or bad, but it doesn't feel inclusive. If they were parked by year, the four years the Reatta was produced would have them all relatively close to each other regardless of judging class. 

 

The Modified group is probably the biggest issue. I understand them being parked separately for judging as they are judged differently and cover a wide range of years. However, parking in their own group also leads to segregation, which isn't necessarily good. 

 

I understand the BCA has had greater membership in the past. The question is what is the trend and is that trend also seen across other groups. My understanding is that the younger generation is less likely to join something like a car club. Are we just chasing our tails in a circle if we are trying to fight demographic trends?

 

I think there is room for everyone in the club, especially if we are tolerant of those who don't want exactly the same thing from the club as we as individuals do. We are all different. Some have one Buick they enjoy that may be in "poor" condition. Others have one high dollar Buick...and they may feel they are protecting it by enclosing it in a trailer. Others enjoy their Buicks by driving them - assuming they are friendly with other humans, they can be true ambassadors of the club and hobby. Others among us have a disease of accumulating Buicks (especially when we think we need to put up yet another building) and getting to the point where they don't necessarily get enough exercise and issues don't get addressed in a timely fashion, resulting in a variation of Larry's drive, break, fix, repeat to drive, break, put it away and use another car, then hopefully someday fix, repeat, or something along those lines. Alternatively if one breaks, you can buy another (I did behave myself for a few years). 

 

There's  probably more, but I'm tired and the glass of rye is empty so bed beckons. 

 

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I really don't care WHAT I'm parked next to at the show.  It's the "who" part that matters the most.  I love striking up conversations with folks I've never met at the national meet and talking about their cars.  But once the judging is over, you will rarely find me at my car...unless I'm stuffing parts into the trunk from the swap meet.

 

I'm cool with whatever people want to do with the parking situation, as long as it doesn't kill the judges.  They are already giving up a good portion of their Saturday (most likely vacation time) to schlep around all of our cars and sweat bullets for people who will never be happy with the score they give your car :);)

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JD, to answer some of your questions, see below:

  • Less than 10% of the membership votes or attends BCA National Meets (primarily only when it is close to were they live).
  • If I recall correctly, the last survey indicated that the vast majority of BCA members join & renew primarily to get The Buick Bugle magazine.
  • I don't have the numbers for how many members do not belong to a local BCA chapter, but I expect it would be less than 10-15%.

Basically, these numbers indicate that 85-90% of all BCA members just read the magazine and do not participate in car activities.  In my opinion, the previous parking arrangements at national meets have not been conducive to promoting interaction with the general public or with members with similar cars in different judging categories.  In August of 2014, I sent emails to BCA Board members with the following analysis of the Portland meet:

National Meet Analysis & Suggested Changes

 

·         Almost half of Portland BCA National Meet attendees were driven or display only; and just over 1/3 were formally judged in categories specified in the judging manual. However, all attendees were required to park in formal judging categories for all four days of the meet when judging was only done on the last day. 

           ·       Therefore, considering the numbers above, it does not make sense to require all attendees who bring a Buick to a meet, to park

               in judging classes for the entire meet.

·         Part of Article I of the BCA bylaws states the purpose of the BCA is “to exchange information” and “to promote social intercourse and fellowship among its members”.

·         “Judging Class Parking” segregates members and their cars away from other members with cars from the same era, but in different judging classes.  This minimizes the ability to compare cars, exchange information and socialize.

·         The former chief judge and committee chairman attempted to justify the lack of advanced parking plans for Portland by pointing out the lack of advanced information on the number of cars in each class.

·         I suggest the BCA National Meet Parking Policy should be changed to park all cars by era for the first 2 1/2 days of the meet.  This will not only meet the intent of the BCA bylaws and simplify arrival parking, but it will also allow the parking committee to establish a standard parking plan for all cars before the meet and a separate plan for the judged cars that actually arrive at the meet.

 

I received no response from the 2014 board that these suggestions were even discussed!

 

 

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Taking into consideration Larry's first paragraph  "These are my thoughts on lack of growth in car clubs and why it is occurring"

 

The first page details getting potential car enthusiasts hooked by allowing them to touch, sit in and ride or drive antique vehicles. Definitely a great suggestion and something we all as individuals have the ability to improve.  

 

Second page deals with activities and policies at national meets and so do many relative responses that followed but if we stop and consider the very SMALL percentage of members who attend national meets, would changing them create any measurable growth in the club?  It might help attendance at the meet but that is unrelated to the opening statement. So we have two different topics. Declining membership and national meet protocol. Both worthy of discussion but perhaps better if not discussed under same umbrella of improving declining membership. 

 

The single most important benefit of membership that has a consistent year round impact on all members is the Bugle magazine and website. Critical to keep the quality a priority.  Instant gratification especially by younger generations by finding info via internet or social media is here to stay. Anything that can be done to the BCA website to improve the access of tech info, specifications, production numbers, options lists, manuals, etc in the "members only" section has a lot of untapped potential.  I know BCA has access to tons of info that could help members but its not easily obtained by today's standards.     

 

Curious, Does anyone know of an antique car club that is gaining members? 

 

Interestingly, the Antique Motorcycle Club of America has seen excellent continued growth for many years.  And no it is not primarily because of attracting youngsters. The majority of members are in the gray hair club. Their meets are varied across the country and setup differently than many car clubs. Not sure if any of that could be applied and would work for a car club.  I've noticed the relaxed social aspect of meets seem to be a primary driver for attendance.

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I like to think I am a friend to everyone who has commented . I think I have met each at one time or another.  My experience with parking has never been a problem . My car has always been in Driven.

 Ames, 2010, I was told to park wherever I wanted until Sat judging. Directed to a specific lot for a couple hours..

 

  Charlotte,  2012,  essentially the same. 

 

  South Bend,  2013park where ever until judging time. After, "you are ok to return to the other lot", I was told.

 

  Missed 2014

 

  Springfield, 2015. Parking was marked by years.  Modified, Reattas,  etc, may have had certain areas. I don't know., Parked any where until judging time. 

 

  I just see a tempest in a teapot! I suspect this is not a BOD thing as much as regional or chapter thing. With folks in each that have their own ideas.

 

  Until told otherwise, I will park where convenient. If informed I can't park there, well, I will move.

 

  I am beginning to believe the "club" is becoming just like the Government. TOO DAMM POLITICAL.   And I also agree with with the saying  " you can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time but not all the people all the time. Probably not quote precisely. We just need to change "fool" to  " please".  Heck, I can't even please myself all the time! 

 

  I will be in Denver. Should be easy to spot. If allowed, will have the teardrop hooked to the back of George. Park ANYTHING by me, and visit and HAVE FUN. FUN IS GOOD.

 

  Ben

 

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On 11/2/2017 at 7:21 PM, Ben Bruce aka First Born said:

 

 I will. Big EGO and BIG bank account.  To each his own. 

 

  Ben

I have no idea but, Ben probably hit the nail on the head, the funny part about it as we watched this happen, it was the meet that the Buick Driving Enthusiast Division was approved by the BOD!!!!

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12 hours ago, JZRIV said:

Curious, Does anyone know of an antique car club that is gaining members? 

Interestingly, the Antique Motorcycle Club of America has seen excellent continued growth for many years.  And no it is not primarily because of attracting youngsters. The majority of members are in the gray hair club. Their meets are varied across the country and setup differently than many car clubs. Not sure if any of that could be applied and would work for a car club.  I've noticed the relaxed social aspect of meets seem to be a primary driver for attendance.

 

Jason,

     IMO, most car clubs have focused their recruitment efforts on the wrong age groups.  Today, younger people are working to make ends meet while raising families.  Therefore, they have little time and disposable income to build, restore, & enjoy old cars.  The 40-60 age group should be the target for recruitment as they are approaching retirement and have had time to pay off their mortgage, build a nest egg, and are expected to have time in retirement to pursue other interests.

     I expect that in the next several years, some single brand clubs will need to join with other clubs to sustain enough members to survive.  We had an annual Buick Oldsmobile Pontiac Picnic (The BOPP) where all three car clubs participated in a potluck BBQ picnic at a local park.  Each club would peer judge one of the other club's cars each year and award prizes for the top cars and the BOPP trophy for the club who showed the most cars.  I think you will find that similar events with a variety of car brands will be the ones that will be gaining members.

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On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 8:06 PM, Terry Wiegand said:

I have one more thought to add about Larry's article.  Pete had to put the disclaimer in at the beginning to keep certain people quiet (the gung-ho judging crowd) and state that the article did not represent the views of BCA officers or board members.  I'm OK with that, HOWEVER, every word that Larry put down is EXACTLY how I feel and I could not have said things any better myself.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

 

Personally, Mr. Wiegand, I take offense at your second sentence.  It is the Editor's job to ensure that personal opinions and comments are NOT construed or "spun" to be the thoughts/orientations of the BOD, even if they are made by a sitting BOD member.  THAT is the reason for that disclaimer, as I see it, NOT to seek to silence one aspect of the membership.

 

Willis Bell  20811

I make these comments as a free-standing BCA member and NOT to speak for any other BCA members, groups, or chapters.

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43 minutes ago, Mark Shaw said:

The 40-60 age group should be the target for recruitment as they are approaching retirement and have had time to pay off their mortgage, build a nest egg, and are expected to have time in retirement to pursue other interests.

 

Probably right Mark, but I guess I must have missed that part of the instructions.  :(

 

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What is "FUN"??? 

 

For some, it's about being a part of a show or club-related event.  This is fine. 

 

For others, it's about participating at a higher level, a high enough level so they receive an award for what they've accomplished with their vehicle.  Be it in appearance, mechanical accomplishments, or both. 

 

For others, it's about driving the vehicles in different environments other than Interstate highways and seeing new places as a result . . . remembering the glory of our nation in an earlier time, where things haven't changed that much over the years.  Sometimes, it's just about getting the car out of town and enjoying all if has to offer to the driver and passengers.  A "thirty minute drive" that keeps getting longer in time and distance. 

 

For others, it's a quick trip down a measured distance in a competition event.

 

For others, it's about orchestrating and running these show events, whatever they might be, in the most efficient manner that will result in participants wanting to come back the next time it happens.  

 

The problem happens when the "Been there, Done that" orientation becomes operative.  I used to go to weekend shows/cruises as a matter of course.  That's where old and new friends tended to be.  To see if they'd done anything to their cars or were thinking about doing something different.  The "networking" aspect of things.  "People and Networks".  Sharing of information and expertise.  But when things stagnate, for whatever reason, with the participants or spectators, "the plateau" is reached and things tend to be downhill from there.

 

Like others of my advancing generation, much of "the new stuff" is with vehicles I'm not especially interested in.  Most of the old stuff, I've seen before.  Different generations, different orientations.  And then there's the older (much more well-heeled) people who take older vehicles and put modern guts under them, who then seek to sell the removed items at costs that don't always reflect true "core" value. 

 

Those that do more well-executed upgrades to selected modern items, with the existing engine, I like more.   More of a challenge than just "waving the plastic" and having others react.  Some of the older components will or have been rebuilt too many times, so newer components are needed, so why not put EFI on in place of the old fuel system?  Electronic ignition, well hidden, etc.  Not specifically to make it a "street rod/street machine" per se, but to make it an "improved OEM" vehicle which retains all of the mechanical things which make the car what it is.  Maintaining the uniqueness of the breed, so to speak, which is how things were when the cars were new or "Just a used car". 

 

And then, on top of that, I"ve got to make a decision of whether I' desire to spend an hour to get there, walk around, talk, and then spend another hour to get home.  If it's tied to a chapter meeting or getting together with friends afterward for a meal or something else, THAT makes it more viable to me.  The "cost of the experience", it seems, since I'm not showing any cars right now.  Cost in time, cost in money.  Perhaps I'm making this too much a "cost-benefit" situation?

 

The BCA BOD should NOT be about who's friends with whom, or "Who thinks like me" . . . But about following the desires of a majority of the membership, not just a vocal group per se.  BUT, if that's all that makes their wishes/desires/orientations known, so be it.

 

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