48woodie

Hershey 2017. Swap Meet or Parking Lot/ Camp Grounds ??

Recommended Posts

Amen. We introduced 3 new members, young by the way, to the Hershey experience this year. They had a  great time and never complained about the vendors, the parkers, or yes even the $8 milkshakes

 

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, John348 said:

 

I was hesitant to get involved in this thread because it really is not going anywhere.

Yes there would be more spaces............... empty ones  and a lot less vendors! I for one would be one less vendor who buys 5 spaces and share 4 other.  if that were the case so you think we should hump ours tuff back and forth across the street everyday, and pay to park after we already paid for a vendor space..... I have an idea maybe we can carry everything you purchase back to your car this way it would be even easier for you. It is a hobby and even us vendors are hobbiest also. I don't mind my neighbors at Hershey who camp there, I look forward to seeing them each year. 

Here is thought, buy a program and look for the vendors who might have what you're looking for and you can save some steps. There is no admission fee for spectators so what is there to complain about? You get in for free.  If you don't like the $8 milk shake then don't buy it.   

John,

 

No one is saying that you should haul your stuff anywhere. Just cover it at night like the others.

 

How many of your 9 space are actually used for vending and how many are used for parking/camping?

 

My Father taught me to always end a sales pitch with a joke........thats what the "Milk Shake" is about.

 

Mike

Milk2.png

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, tomcarnut said:

I have two spaces and friend has two space that are in a parallel row. Both my friend and I along with another AACA Ohio Region friend have motorhomes so we can stay on the field. We park the three Motorhomes on three spaces and use the fourth for most of vending but use space along the sides of the motorhomes for some stuff. We also take turns "watching the store" making sure everything is priced. We set up Tuesday afternoon and pack up Friday. Our location in the Red Field by the stadium is not too good for sales and I rarely sell enough to pay for the spots despite bringing a lot of parts. We stay open from 8am till 6 or 7 PM sometimes.  I have been coming to Hershey since 1970 at age 12 and vending for 20 years or so. I always make sure anyone who is in our spaces bring stuff to sell. We also let other club members and friends put out parts to sell at our tables. My only thought is to shorten the meet by a day starting set up on Wednesday so more might stay and vend on Saturday making it better for folks with limited vacation. I believe that was the case years ago. I remember at lot more going on Saturday in swap meet areas with most people leaving Saturday night instead of Friday. Generally the vendors are tired after four days and leave Friday. If we set up on Wednesday, more vendors might stay till Saturday.

 

Tom in Cincinnati

Tom,

 

So you use 3 of your 4 spaces for camping and 1 for swapping ???

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

Thank you for being open from 8 am to 6pm. 

 

And I agree with you about changing the days from Wednesday to Saturday.

 

Mike

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, charlier said:

Since we are talking about the swap meet layout maybe the following suggestions should be considered as well.

 

Car Club Tents on Vendor Spaces.  

 

How about gathering all the Car Club Tents in the Swap Meet TOGETHER in the same row(s) instead of spreading them out amongst vendors trying to sell parts???  If these tents are in a few rows, signs could be placed at the end of the rows. These signs could be nothing more than two big pieces of wood hinged at the top so they are free standing. Clubs could then thumbtack 8.5"x11" signs on this wood to advertise they have a space in the row and when their club activates are taking place. This wood sign could also note that there are No Swap Meet Vendors in this row so swap meet buyers/customers could skip the row(s).
Maybe clubs could reconsider when they hold their meetings/gatherings and have them late in the day if they are not already doing so. That way vendors who want to attend the meetings would not be closing up shop during prime selling times.

 

Commercial Vendors (ie Coker Tire, Universal Vintage Tire, Snappin Turtle Tie Downs, Meguiars, etc).
 
- How about grouping them all in rows on the same field? To some extent this is done already with Coker Tire, Universal Vintage Tire on the same field.
- How about grouping the vendors that sell trailers, trailer accessories (ie tiedowns including Snappin Turtle Tie Downs, etc) and the vendor that always has a big display of trailer tires and accessories?
- How about grouping the vendors that sell tools, sandblasting cabinets, paint equipment together? 
- What about grouping all the companies that offer services together? (ie chroming businesses, restoration companies, car radio repair companies,
upholstery companies, etc). Many of these companies/vendors come to Hershey every year so organizing them should be more predictable and thus easier.
 
Antique Insurance Companies. 
 
How about grouping these companies together (Hagerty, JC Taylor, etc). This would make it easier for their current customers to find them to conduct business. It would also make it easier for potential new customers to shop for insurance instead of walking MILES to visit these companies currently scattered ALL OVER the fields. Doing this might increase exposure for these companies and increase sales due to customers being able to find them in a much more timely manner than they can now.
 

Increasing Vendor Sales

I have seen a number of posts by vendors about decreasing and/or lackluster sales. If one reads posts in this forum from prior years this trend appears
to be happening for the last 5 or 6 years now. 

 

A couple of weekends ago my next door neighbor had a yard sale on a Sunday. Another neighbor had one as well. My next door neighbor used technology for her sale by using the Facebook Marketplace to list information about her sale and to post photos of items she was selling. Her sale was an BIG SUCCESS with 98% of her sales the DIRECT RESULT of Facebook Marketplace. The other neighbor that did not use technology had literally no sales to speak of. This example got me to thinking that Swap Meet Vendors at Fall Hershey could use Facebook Marketplace to boost their sales.


While it is true some vendors and AACA members do not have smartphones I saw PLENTY of vendors and buyers using smart phones this year.
Do vendors even know about Facebook Marketplace? Do they have any clue as to how posting some of their items on the Marketplace would open them up 
to a MUCH BIGGER potential customer base and attract YOUNGER Customers whose money is just as Green as us older folks? What about using Craigslist to advertise your vendor space at Hershey? There is a Swap Meet section on Craigslist that I see some people use for Fall Hershey and Carlisle. One again ,use Technology to Work Smarter Not Harder to make it easier for customers to find the products you are selling WITHOUT spends 2-3 days walking 15-20 miles.

 

Those vendors that are not familiar with Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist could seek out younger family members or friends that could help them post information about their Swap Meet space goodies that are For Sale.

 

Better Information for all Fall Hershey Attendees - Information Signs.

 
How about posting signs at each of the Main Spectator entrances to the swap meet?  One sign should include the RULES OF THE SWAP MEET. IE no riding of bicycles, skateboards, roller blades, etc. Making an announcement over the PA systems every few hours is Okay but that is SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH.
 
Another sign might simply post the question... Looking for parts, accessories, etc???? The Fall Hershey Program available for purchase
has a comprehensive list of vendors and is available for purchase. This sign could also tell people to check out Facebook Marketplace and/or the Harrisburg Craigslist site to see Fall Hershey Vendor information.
 
If posting these signs at all the spectator entrances is too much them post them in High traffic areas (ie where the main groups of Food Vendors are located and/or at both ends of the footbridge).
 
People who have NOT been to Fall Hershey much before have No CLUE AT ALL about the rules and could really use some help finding parts which would also boost sales of the Fall Hershey Program book and usage of Facebook Marketplace & Craigslist. 
 
=============================
 

BTW, I had a good laugh when I read about the vendor(s) who got upset about people taking photos of their stuff.

I took a LOT of photos of some items along with the vendor space location tag and texted that information to other car enthusiasts I know. Some were at Hershey and went to look at and/or BUY the items. Other friends could not be at Hershey so I offered to buy the items for them. In some cases these photos/texts resulted in SALES. So next time maybe these vendors need to think before they bite the hand that is feeding them SALES.

 


 

Thank you Charlie,

 

These are great ideas.

 

I hope someone from the Hershey Region Fall Meet planning committee is reading this thread.

 

Mike

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just a quick hit here.  Everyone should know that the choice of food vendors and their prices are nothing that the Hershey Region or AACA control.  That is the sole purview of HE & R.  Nor does the region or AACA get a percentage.  Just to make this subject clear.

 

As to the now famous or infamous milk shakes.  If they were the ones on the Chocolate Field I had two!!!  I have no idea what they cost but they were delicious and calmed my upset stomach down.  Well worth the price.

 

Got to a race at Charlotte or Daytona, go to a baseball game or football game and look at the prices!  It is the nature of the beast, fair or not.  I am sure expenses are up to do these events for the concessionaires with weekends and the like but I agree prices are not inexpensive.  I also wish there were more vendors  with a few more healthier fares

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, MCHinson said:

 

You can't control when a vendor might close his or her space for a short time. You insisted that all vendors have to be open from start to close each day. Some vendors share a space so someone will be available most of the time. Some are run by individuals. A vendor might not know when someone in his or her group will be available to staff their space. When an individual vendor needs to go get something to eat or has to go to the porta potty, they can't plan when that will be with much certainty.

 

You also suggested segregating vendors by hours of operation. Totally impossible.

 

Maybe you would be happy if they just closed the Red Field. It appears that all of your photos were taken in the Red Field. Did you go to any of the other Fields? Wednesday-Friday, I covered most of the swap meet. I was tired on Friday afternoon and skipped most of the Red Field. I usually start in the Chocolate Field and Red Fields early in the week and work my way towards the Orange Field by Friday. I am usually so tired by the time I make it to the Orange Field on Friday that I don't think I am as good at spotting stuff in the Orange Field as I was earlier in the week. This year, I decided to do something different and started in the Orange Field and worked my way back towards the Red Field by Friday.

 

It may have worked for me because I spotted something that a friend wanted in the Orange Field on Wednesday afternoon. He was able to get over there Thursday morning and was waiting when that vendor opened and bought what I had spotted for him. 

 

Now, I remember why I hesitated to wade into this discussion. I hate to try to help someone and then feeling like I am being personally attacked for having responded.

 

I have made some suggestions for improvement of the swap meet here on the forum in the past. Suggestions for changethe  to Hershey Fall Meet will always receive a lot of scrutiny. Minor changes might be possible but you can't make significant changes without a lot of thought to the potential unintended effects. Something that has been running for 50 plus years has reached a point that many things have been tried and discarded because they did not work as well as hoped.

 

It works. It may not be perfect, but it works. If it did not work, people would not attend. There were lots of people in the swap meet fields that I was in.

 

I found great deals on several items that I needed this year. I got some even better deals on some things that some of my friends needed. For both of the past two years, I have found multiple  items at Hershey for local friends who could not attend. Each year, my friends were happy with what I found them and the good prices on those items. I had fun. I was tired when I left for home. It still beats buying stuff online. I look forward to next October.   

 

 

 

MCHinson,

 

I stated earlier that I understand that Vendors need to leave their spaces to use use the washroom, to eat, etc..

 

I did mention separating Vendors by hours open but I was being sarcastic. Someone else did mention segregating vendors by type of items sold. This would be a good idea.

 

Yes, maybe closing the North Red Field and the South Orange Field is a good idea. There was no where close to 9,000 vending spaces being used for vending. These areas could be used for volunteer parking, possibly free vendor parking or Handicapped Parking. Have you noticed how far away from the show the North Handicapped Parking is ?  

 

I was able to cover the entire show Tuesday -Friday. The photos that I posted were taken on Thursday. This grouping of photos I posted are mostly from the Red Fields. I can post the rest of the 50 photos I have of the other swap areas that were being used as parking and camping if you want. It would be interesting to see an ariel view of this years show.

 

You are wrong about the attendance. It is way down.  In the past there would be three large parking lots. Do you remember when they closed the White Field to make it into parking. Now it's mostly used for campers. There is a parking area NW on RT 39 which is for overflow. It use to be filled. They would also park cars up by the High School, not anymore. Most of the vendors I spoke to said that the attendance is down. This is partly due to the internet but not solely.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Restorer32 said:

Amen. We introduced 3 new members, young by the way, to the Hershey experience this year. They had a  great time and never complained about the vendors, the parkers, or yes even the $8 milkshakes

 

 

They don't have anything to compare it to.

 

Maybe next year they will notice.

 

Or when they turn 45 and there's one vendor per isle ? (sarcasm).

 

Mike

 

It's great that we have new/young members.

 

Edited by 48woodie (see edit history)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Steve Moskowitz said:

Just a quick hit here.  Everyone should know that the choice of food vendors and their prices are nothing that the Hershey Region or AACA control.  That is the sole purview of HE & R.  Nor does the region or AACA get a percentage.  Just to make this subject clear.

 

As to the now famous or infamous milk shakes.  If they were the ones on the Chocolate Field I had two!!!  I have no idea what they cost but they were delicious and calmed my upset stomach down.  Well worth the price.

 

Got to a race at Charlotte or Daytona, go to a baseball game or football game and look at the prices!  It is the nature of the beast, fair or not.  I am sure expenses are up to do these events for the concessionaires with weekends and the like but I agree prices are not inexpensive.  I also wish there were more vendors  with a few more healthier fares

The "Milk Shake" Vendor in question is in the South Red Field.

 

I also enjoyed the Milk Shakes in the Chocolate Field and in the Hershey Store at 1/2 the price.

 

Mike

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is my last post. Maybe.

 

I feel that I have accomplished what I set out to do. Make people aware that there is a problem with the Show.

 

Four years ago in September I was diagnosed with cancer and started Chemo and Radiation therapy. That fall I missed my first Fall Meet in 20 years. My treatments lasted until March the following year. I was down from 190 lbs to 128 lbs and barley able to walk 20 feet.

 

One of my goals was to make it to the Hershey Fall Meet.

 

I made it at 140 lbs and able to walk 50 yards before I needed a brake. I didn't park in the Handicap lot and I didn't use a Golf Cart. But as always it was worth it to be at the Hershey Fall Meet.

 

This is when I started to notice that so many of the Vendor Spaces were being used for Parking and Camping. Maybe it was because I was walking so slow.

 

The next year I was better but still recovering and able to walk a few hundred yards before taking a brake. Still walking slow, I noticed that the parking/camping spaces seemed to have grown.

 

Last year I was much better but still a little winded after awhile. Noticing that the parking/spaces had grown even larger, I took a bunch of photos. But I didn't do anything with them.

 

This year I'm three years cancer free. I'm at 185 lbs and able to walk most of a field without taking a rest. But I noticed the Parking/Camping had grown even larger. Worried that it would get worst next year, I decided I would document this growing problem with photographs and start this tread.

 

Put yourself in the shoes of a Handicapped Person, a disabled person, a person in a wheelchair, most anybody over 65. It is selfish and inconsiderate to think that it is right to take up swap spaces for convenience parking and camping when there are parking lots, camp grounds and trailer parking right across the street. Put yourself in the shoes of the person who can't take vacation days and shows up on Saturday expecting 9,000 vendors and theres only 2,000 actual selling spaces. Or the young enthusiast who couldn't miss school and showed up on Saturday to only 2,000 actual selling spaces. 

 

9,000 Flea Market Spaces should mean 9,000 Flea Market Spaces.

 

Wednesday through Saturday should be Wednesday through Saturday.

 

7am to 5pm should be 7am to 5pm.

 

Regulations are written to be followed and should be strictly followed or they are useless. 

 

I am going to join the Hershey Region Chapter and see if I can get on the show committee.

 

Thanks for listening,

 

Mike

 

I will be at the $3.00 Milk Shake Space at 1pm on Thursday 2018 to buy you a reasonably priced Milk Shake. This might be a mistake.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How would this work? Or would it work? In very round numbers just for discussion sake. Cut the vendor area in half. Allow no cars, campers, parkers,  etc. Vendor's set ups only. The other half for the campers, squatters, and parkers. Sell the camping and vending spots seperately. Price to be determined by number of spaces bought.

Campers, schmoozers, socializers, old cronies, etc all in one area. Actual vendors selling stuff all in one area. 

Good for the campers, good for the sellers, good for the buyers, good for the future of the show..................Bob

 

 

 

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If all the empty spaces used for parking will be offered for new vendors, will there be enough sellers to fill these spaces? How many people are waiting to get a free space to sell parts?

Tom

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, 48woodie said:

John,

 

No one is saying that you should haul your stuff anywhere. Just cover it at night like the others.

 

How many of your 9 space are actually used for vending and how many are used for parking/camping?

 

My Father taught me to always end a sales pitch with a joke........thats what the "Milk Shake" is about.

 

Mike

oMilk2.png

 

Mike,

it appears that you are a guy looking to argue you only addressed the points that you could use to turn things around. Like I pointed out and you failed to address that you pay no admission  as a spectator to get in.

 

You have no idea what I bring to sell and the value of it so you have no right to tell me what I should or should not do with what I bring down to sell when I close for the night. 

I am about $2000 in the red before I even leave my house on Monday Morning, spaces, port-a-san rental, food, supplies, beverages ice and there are a few other items I am sure I left out. I also did not factor in the weeks pay I give up to be there. I also did not factor in the items that get broken, ruined (by spectators and weather), and lost (because nobody would steal anything would they?). This all done before I look at the extended weather forecast, so like most of the other vendors we are there rain or shine. If I break even that is great, and if I don't that is fine also because I HAVE FUN WITH MY FRIENDS!  After all it is a hobby and I do it to relax, and I suggest you should take step back and do the same.

With all of the rules and violations you see vendors breaking, you not even once mentioned the golf carts speeding around risking injury to everybody, could you be one of those guys?

Saturday, ...... We are done on Friday I had enough. besides on Saturday nobody comes to the Red Field except for guys looking for scrap metal. I being a hobbyist like you,  I like to go to the show on Saturday and as I did this year even show a car. I am sure other vendors do the same or even like to judge

 

My Father told me never argue with a guy who is looking for an argument so.... 

 

As far as the $8.00 shakes, they are floats and were worth every penny they were good I had four of them and look forward to having one every year. I smoke $12 cigars so $8 for a float is nothing.

 

If you are so miserable and all of these small things bother you at hershey then maybe you should not go

   

  • Like 1
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, 48woodie said:

This is my last post. Maybe.

 

illegitimi non carborundum....................Bob

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now that would be great, set up 4 booths with a ton of parts we stay at out our space why not We come to vend, and buy Will I make it another year, hope so,i will be by your booth for the cheap shakesSo we inturn have 3 spaces,full of old car parts

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, John348 said:

 

Mike,

it appears that you are a guy looking to argue you only addressed the points that you could use to turn things around. Like I pointed out and you failed to address that you pay no admission  as a spectator to get in.

 

You have no idea what I bring to sell and the value of it so you have no right to tell me what I should or should not do with what I bring down to sell when I close for the night. 

I am about $2000 in the red before I even leave my house on Monday Morning, spaces, port-a-san rental, food, supplies, beverages ice and there are a few other items I am sure I left out. I also did not factor in the weeks pay I give up to be there. I also did not factor in the items that get broken, ruined (by spectators and weather), and lost (because nobody would steal anything would they?). This all done before I look at the extended weather forecast, so like most of the other vendors we are there rain or shine. If I break even that is great, and if I don't that is fine also because I HAVE FUN WITH MY FRIENDS!  After all it is a hobby and I do it to relax, and I suggest you should take step back and do the same.

With all of the rules and violations you see vendors breaking, you not even once mentioned the golf carts speeding around risking injury to everybody, could you be one of those guys?

Saturday, ...... We are done on Friday I had enough. besides on Saturday nobody comes to the Red Field except for guys looking for scrap metal. I being a hobbyist like you,  I like to go to the show on Saturday and as I did this year even show a car. I am sure other vendors do the same or even like to judge

 

My Father told me never argue with a guy who is looking for an argument so.... 

 

As far as the $8.00 shakes, they are floats and were worth every penny they were good I had four of them and look forward to having one every year. I smoke $12 cigars so $8 for a float is nothing.

 

If you are so miserable and all of these small things bother you at hershey then maybe you should not go

   

John,

 

I am sorry that I am having to post again but ...

 

Yes, I was a HANDICAPPED visitor to the Hershey Fall Meet in the 2014 and 2015. If you would have read my last posting you would have read that even though I should have used a golf cart, I choose not to. I also choose not to park in the Handicapped Parking.

 

Again, walk in the shoes of a Handicapped person, a Disabled Person, A person in a Wheelchair.........

 

As for smoking a $ 12.00 cigar...I had Throat Cancer...I never smoked.  You should quit the cigars for your health and Family.

 

Please don't be rude,

 

Mike

Screen shot 2017-09-14 at 11.01.29 AM.png

Edited by 48woodie (see edit history)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am gonna weigh in again,

My father did 52 years selling and dragged me and my brother all through the 60's and 70's till he passed in 2012 Life member,as are me and my brother.  Me and my brother have his ten spots my brother comes all the way from Colorado every year and I from tenn. we each use 5 spaces both of us park our truck and trailer utilizing the whole 100' on back side of all ten spaces leaving all 22 1/2' X 100' for selling, we fill every square Inch with parts from my 10k lb. trailer and back of my Ram truck with my brothers 20' and dually. we sleep in our enclosed cargo trailers it takes us 4-5 hours to setup and each day it takes approximately 1-1 1/2 hours to cover all ground parts and everything under the canopies each night. I love it but its hard work. I would never be able to remove all the steel parts unload and setup popups and then move my truck and trailer somewhere else,  My complaint is the dam idiots like I said before that pile in a 11 pass club van buy a space pull in get out setup a freaking card table put a broken carburetor and couple license plates and leave for the day, as for the 150k dollar motor homes, they pull in with 5-6 spots and have not much either, don't know the answer, but I got two of my buddies to buy three spots this year each, over in Red in the far corner by the main road and they said since Herco closed some entrance by my chocolate field south people traffic was great, these guys each brought trailer load of parts and never vended and are both younger 43 and younger,so I did my part to get other guys who never sold there before. So if every guy gets a few new guys to buy spots to sell, and Hershey AACA does there part we can continue to build the Greatest show! My father came till he could not come anymore and said his heart was always at Hershey. So many people let money and power kill great traditions! Work together and make it better. I like the idea someone said put all the modern tool,buffers,sandblasters trailer venders in one area,and the clubs in another, how is always the question.

thanks to all who volunteer!

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's an old adage about how do you eat an elephant....one bite at a time.

 

Hershey is the Great Show to us who live and breathe antique cars.

 

However, changes need to come slowly, year by year, and let the event evolve and change to meet the times.

 

I believe the Hershey Region (and they do a great job, don't get me wrong) should make a 10 year plan.  All tire companies here, all insurance companies there, this will be how the parking/vending will work.

 

Then, slowly move toward that, with smallish changes each year.  For example, R-32 and my suggestion on alternating vending/parking aisles, no, you can't do that all in one year, but take an easy field like Green and do a section of it.  You may have to move a few people around, but that's the price you and I pay.  See how it works then build on it.

 

Same with a lot of the suggestions here.  Make a long term plan, see how it works, adjust as you go.  A huge task, but by the same token, there's money there, and there are resources to work on it.....hire them if needed...

 

All that said, there's no other place in the world that this many people get together in a week all about antique cars.  The next closest is the UK autojumble and then the big to-do in Europe, but I don't think they're as big....

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, old car fan said:

in 5 years there will not be any old car partsSad but true

What?  That doesn't make any sense, of course the hobby will continue.  Hershey will continue.  Why wouldn't there be parts?

 

I'm constantly reminded of the Harrah sales, 1000 cars on the auction block, everyone said that's the end of the hobby, too many cars.  In 1985 or so.

 

There's continued interest in old cars, prices aren't going down.  The hobby will survive.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now