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Well the summer is over, fall is here.  We should all be slowing down for the season to allow more time in the shops to work on our Speedster projects.  What progress has been made during the summer on our various projects?   I have not done much but have procured a few more vital pieces that will allow for my build.  My Wisconsin engine is now next in line for rebuild after we complete the rebuilding of the Locomobile "T" head now in progress.  I should be having a "first start" party on that engine later this fall (or early winter).  Share your updates.........

Al

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OK, I decided to post a few pictures of the current engine rebuild that is now nearly complete.  The first picture is the "before" the next three are the current status.

Al

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Great post.   Hershey, and some other projects on this and other forumshave kind of rekindled interest in the speedster.  It's now behind our A roadster in the que, but took the ad down and hopefully will be inspired further by builds in progress here, T and otherwise. 

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Hello Steve,

How far along is your 1914 "T" speedster?  What kind of fun "speed" stuff do you have for the mechanical build of the T engine and trans.?  I have a 1922 Dodge touring car that will be restored as a car, but i do have a nice Ricardo head made for Dodge Bros.  It is the only head like that I have seen.  Building an era type speedster is a nice way to save a bunch of parts that would else wise just sit in the barn somewhere.  And, we can all build them how we choose.

Alan

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That's a wonderful Loco engine. Do you have the chassis too? I'm only curious because they are probably my favorite early American automobile.

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Hello Joe and others....

Yes, the Locomobile engine does have a chassis and the rest of the car also.  It is a toy tonneau.  The  Locomobile has been a long term "labor of love" that does not really fit into this Speedster forum.  I decided to post pictures to show a bit of progress on something of a positive nature.  I will post here a factory picture of my Locomobile sports (but not speedster) model for 1909.  Next up, after the Locomobile engine, will be the overhaul of the  Wisconsin 727 CID "T" head four cylinder engine (big brother to the Stutz Bearcat.  By comparison, the Locomobile engine, above shown, is putting out just shy of 300 CID and is a very good performer as proven by the reputation associated with the make.  Joe, what is currently going on with your car?

  Alan

(PS:  If anyone has a cast brass hubcap or two, for an early Locomobile, I need a couple to complete a full set)

The factory picture was taken near the Bridgeport, Conn. Locomobile factory, spring of 1909

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Oddly enough, my Mitchell engine is just shy of 300 CI also. Its nominal size is 283 but in order to get the cylinder walls straight, I had to go .080 over so I think I'm at about 295 now.

I've been making some progress, albeit it slow at the moment because I have a huge job fixing the windows in my house before it gets really cold. I've probably only got a month left, though if I am lucky it won't snow until after Christmas. Thankfully, I've finished the part that had to be done on a ladder. What is left is a lot of work but at least I don't have to do it 15 feet in the air. I also bought a "new" vertical mill and the temptation is very strong to get it operational before I do much with the car, especially as I bought it because there are operations it will do better than the machine I've been using.

Your Loco body, the front section with the hooded cowel and location of the seat, is just about exactly what I am planning to build although I'll go for a large round tank behind the seats. I'm not sure mine falls into the "speedster" category either as I'm not going for the faux Mercer look... What I'd like to achieve is a fairly conventional custom roadster of the period.

 

Every time I drive through Bridgeport I think of Locomobile and keep telling myself I should get off the highway and go looking for the factory. But, I only go through there on the way to New York or Baltimore and I never have much extra time.

 

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The body on my Locomobile is transformable, by removing the rear tonneau (made to do that) and have a low roadster type.  The toy tonneau has a lower body than the taller touring cars, hence a bit more sporty as you suggested.  When my body was built, I insisted that it was built as it was originally with the back half removable, (I will probably never remove the back half however).  Your Mitchell must be 4-3/4 X 4-3/4 bore and stroke to be originally about 283 CID.  What brand and size mill did you purchase?

Al

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The Mitchell is 4-1/4 x 5 so it's close...

I bought a Kerney & Trecker 2CH. I put some photos of it on my Mitchell thread.

 

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More great discussion, nice!

 

Alan, right now my T speedster has a rebuilt but stock engine,  trans & front end.  First mechanical upgrades will likely be brakes, then some minor things, pretty common to improve intake and exhaust on these.  I rely enjoy some of these more sophisticated efforts though!  :)

 

JV, use caution if you do decide to go hunting around Bridgeport! !  Not the safest place to be roaming around nowadays...

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Hi Al.  Yep, ran once on the day I bought it, using sellers coils.  Magneto, runs good.  I have since bought everything to finish up engine room, so to speak, we were going along till the model A bug bit again.   So we picked up a roadster to run around in, and have to replenish the car funds to take up on the T again.  :)

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Model A Fords are also nice cars.  I have also had several of them.  I am not much of a hot rodder, but I did save back the last and not the best parts from which I was going to build a Buick 215 powered 1929 Model A sport coupe.  I was doing good on that project until a gent just had to have it worse than I did and now its gone.   I like the all whites on your T.  Share a picture of your A if you get a chance.

Al

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What a nice clean Model A roadster.  What is the color called?  I am not well versed on 1930-31 Fords.  Is your car a Deluxe with dual side-mounts and etc.?   Nothing wrong with a Model A Ford!   Some of my best "old Car" experiences have happened in a Model A.

Al

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Second note.....I should have paid attention to your avatar.  My avatar shows a similar car to what I am building which is a big brother to your Model A roadster.  My big brother roadster is a 1930 LaSalle.  Looks the same as your car, just bigger.

Al

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Hi Al.   Love the LaSalle! ! Have you posted any restoration pics?  Those are elegant to say the least.

 

The A is an early 30, so it's a standard,  but the DSM might have been original as the brackets appear to have been there.  I figure some of the early cars might have been accesorized as the deluxe was not available until mid 30 in a roadster.   Color is faded ford maroon,  this pic hides that a bit!  :DAD we are going to avoid too many doo dad's on it when it gets painted and cleaned up a bit more.   Sorry for derailing the speedster thread!  

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I see no problem speaking about a little Model A Roadster, it fits the bill of a street speedster to me!  No current pictures of the LaSalle Roadster.  I need to do some work on the cowl, doors, top assembly and fit the windshield.  It seems that I have been distracted by the Locomobile project then the Wisconsin........

Al

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Hi Al,

i purchased the apperson jack rabbit chassis that was advertised on here recently. I am going to use it for the seagrave speedster. I have the valves free on the engine and have begun disassembly of exterior components. I picked up a set of wood spoke wheels from a 1924 graham firetruck that are in super condition I am going to use for the wheels. The transmission and rear drive are still up in the air. As far as the second speedster, the lafrance crankcase will be done at the machine shop in a couple weeks, I have the jugs , Pistons and valves back and ready to go. The lafrance engine has the provision for a third plug per cylinder. I found a twin six distributor so I am going to run 18 plugs as will the seagrave as it has a 12 wire mag. I am trying to decide which way to go with the lafrance as far as chassis. I have the lafrance firetruck chassis but my concern is being able to make it look not so truck like. It will be an interesting winter in the shop to say the least.

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Sounds like you are up to your shoulders in speedster parts!  I am guessing that the Graham fire truck wheels are 24"?  The ignition systems on the early firetrucks was over the top, a lot like the redundancy found in airplane engines.  I noticed, with interest, the Apperson chassis, even though I have plenty of space to stack it in, I sure didn't need another start to a dream project!  Good for you!  Post a couple of update pictures to show us what you are doing.

Al

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Hello Marc,  It looks like you have some nice parts.  Are you still thinking of larger wheel size on one of your speedsters?  What size is the throat on the carb. in the picture?  Is it a clean match for your intake manifold?

Al

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