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47 minutes ago, K8096 said:

DV Stutz Hollywood sedan by Rollston. 

 

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Still in Indy?   I remember the Nephew inherited it in Washington state back around 2001/2002.  It was bargain then.

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1 hour ago, trimacar said:

The 1931 Model 41 Pierce Arrow LeBaron sedan has always been one of my favorites....

 

Agreed!!!!!

 

This one and I passed in the night.  If Ed had been more pushy I would have it.

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I tried to buy that one too....at the time of sale was missing engine, hood, radiator and shell, since found and reinstalled.  Even though it was incomplete and across country, I made an offer which was rejected.....oh well, can't kiss all the girls....but what a great body style...

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We always regret the misses and not the mistakes.   The blue car sold at BJ 10 years ago for about 1/3 of what it would cost to restore.  That would probably have been the one to get.  I think it would do much better now.

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I was touring along with the blue car and current owners a couple of weeks ago, beautiful car.....very nice older restoration, think was sold at auction by Tom Crook to Don Williams at (as you mention) very reasonable price, then price went up a little to current owners!  It's in a nice home now....

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Count me in on liking closed cars!

 

When I was about to turn 16,  I fell in love with a pre-war  Formal Sedan ( 1955) .  Bought it cause I liked it.  Paid twenty five bucks for it  ( which was probably too much as its battery and tires were getting shaggy ). Well..let's be fair..multiply that twenty five bucks by about 17 to its equiv. in purchasing power of today's de-valued money...!).

 

I have some photos of it - will post in here if someone will tell me how to do that.   Buy the way..i cant honestly say it is still my "daily" driver (  Packard didn't offer "factory" air conditioning until the introduction of the 1940 models in the fall of 1939)..... So I can say it is my "weekly driver"....!

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If you look in the lower left corner of the reply box you will see "Drag files here to attach, or choose files".  If you press on the choose files you should be able to browse to the pictures on your computer and select them for upload to your reply.

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Here is a 1932 Chrysler Custom Imperial 8, model CL, close coupled sedan that was needlessly rebodied into a fake dual windshield phaeton

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Here is a 1932 Chrysler Custom Imperial 8, model CL, close coupled sedan that was picked to the bone for parts, then its grandeur was restored by Dr Paul Engelmann

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1 hour ago, dep5 said:

Here is a 1932 Chrysler Custom Imperial 8, model CL, close coupled sedan that was picked to the bone for parts, then its grandeur was restored by Dr Paul Engelmann

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Great example of a beautiful formal car.

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IF I did this correctly,  you will see two '38 Packard V-12's  (480 cu. in.  "Cadillac V-16 killers....!). ..!

 

The one on the left is a good compromise between an open car and a closed one - it is a Brunn,  obviously with the rear portion "collapsible" down.    I had a chance to buy either that one or its twin in 1956,  but it needed paint and upholstery, and anyway...I didn't have the $250 it would have taken to buy it. 

 

The one on the right went for twenty five bucks in 1956....which I did have...so it became mine  ( needed tires and a battery, so maybe it wasn't THAT good a deal...?).   It is a "production" body...a Formal Sedan.  ( I believe 6 were made during the 1938 production run).  I drove it regularly until the 1970's,  when I pulled it apart for a re-paint and engine over-haul - it was out of service for a couple of months.    Then it went back into service - it continues to do for me what  Packard V-12's were designed to do! 

 

To quote the admittedly risqué advertising Packard put out for the Formal Sedan of that year.....there is no substitute for  weight and size when it comes to motoring comfort, pleasure, and safety....."

 

No question that open cars seem to appeal more to some folks.   Not to me !

 

Since I actually do drive mine at regular intervals,  which I continue to do some 60+ years after I bought it..... I admit I like my creature comforts. 

 

Example.....  It was snowing...windy....&  below freezing driving back from a restaurant  (on the freeway, doing 75 mph +)  at the Annual Meeting in Reno of the CCCA earlier this year,    so having a closed car with a heater is not the worst thing in the world.....!

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And, the 1932 RR Phantom I Springfield Dover Sedan makes its first public appearance in 36 years and first time really run in 18 years - at Dayton Concours d'Elegance this weekend !  I have put in 8 to 14 hours a day for two months and a week to get it out onto a showfield.  Original Owner was Valeria Langeloth of the current The Jacob & Valeria Langeloth Foundation

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I am an admirer of a great sedan also. It was the target body style for a Classic era buyer.  

I feel that a great sedan is as much about the interior as the exterior. Open cars look sporty but a closed car has to transmit a certain comfort or elegant to its occupants sitting inside. Sadly interiors dont seem to receive the appreciation and photo documentation they deserve. 

 

Trimming an open car in smooth hides seems to be lacking in creativity.

While a closed car is a display board for rolls, pleats, cubby holes, map pockets, arm rests,  etc. (yes some of these existed on open cars) as well as the use of things like broad lace or other embroidery. A closed car is where the art of the trimmer really shines. 

 

Does anybody have preferences between; wool? or mohair? Bedford cord? (maybe exotic furs?)  

You might kick your shoes off in  the back of a closed car, but not an open car. Were mouton carpets used during the classic era? (dont know that I have seen them) 

 

What about full leather interiors in closed Classics? 

Leather is the reflexive indicator of 'luxury' today, but it always seems out of place on an authentic closed Full Classic. 

 

The cabinetry is another place to admire a quality closed Classic. 

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30 minutes ago, m-mman said:

What about full leather interiors in closed Classics? 

Leather is the reflexive indicator of 'luxury' today, but it always seems out of place on an authentic closed Full Classic. 

 

 

Friends have a 1930 Packard 740 Club sedan that had leather in it from new (all be it main part of headliner is cloth) - kind of neat car.  A 1929 to 1932 Franklin Speedster could also have leather as do I believe most Transcontinental Sedans. 

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2 hours ago, m-mman said:

 

The cabinetry is another place to admire a quality closed Classic. 

 

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I agree with your post but this is a picture of a reproduction Rollston Arlington (aka 20 Grand).

 

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Opps! you are correct. This is what happens when you try to find an image while you are at work.

 

While the scan is not the best, here is the interior of a 1927 P1 town car by Clark of Wolverhampton commissioned by a director of Woolworths. This interior would never appear in an open car.

 

And the original broad lace over mohair in my basic Fisher body 1929 Cad town sedan.

 

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16 hours ago, Johan Boltendal said:

John   what a fantastic car, I love the colors, a job well done and a fine car to drive .  regards Johan

 

Thanks !  It is interesting as I have never been a fan of green cars and I expected people not to like it, but Sunday 200 plus people complimented its colors matched to countless compliments about car being so impressive.  And,  another 100 saw it in garage over past two months with same reaction.  I did have a few people criticize me for having a Desmo Scottie by the name of "McIntosh" ornament on the car, but it is period correct from 1929 via PG Woodhouse Wooster & Jeeves books.  

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