victorialynn2 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) Can you still get a socket on the nut? If so a breaker bar with a 3 or 4 foot pipe should give you enough leverage to get it off. The ax is not a good tool to use on any part of a car. It is meant for wood not metal. I feel your frustration but it just wasn't a good idea. Only other thing I can think of is a torch at this point. Good luck. You may be able to break the wheel with a BIG sledge hammer. Edited September 7, 2017 by SC38DLS (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 also known as a "gas" wrench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 There was a crazy video on youtube that might have been posted to here at some point. Where you take a candle and a lighter and you heat up the lug nut I believe just enough so it will melt the wax. The wax supposably follows the threads in and the nut magically comes loose. It looks like it worked for the guy doing it, but that's also if you can get something on the nut still and you didn't destroy the threads so that the nut won't back over them which might have happened with the axe. I will say you probably felt a little better for a few seconds after the first few whacks though. I would search out the video to see the exact method if that's still a possibility. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 You can also try driving an sae 6 point socket on assuming it's metric if you have bungered it up too much for the metric socket to fit properly. Hard to say without seeing what's left of the nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) If a socket will not go on the lug nut and you have room to swing a hammer try splitting the nut. With a good sharp chisel and a hammer you might have better luck than a ax. Drive the chisel toward the hub. Edited September 7, 2017 by Dennis Foegot say to hit chisel toward hub. (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 V. L. WHAT have you done ? ? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Just now, bobg1951chevy said: V. L. WHAT have you done ? ? ? I might have had a little anger issue here. Going to have a beer and get some sleep. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobg1951chevy Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 minute ago, victorialynn2 said: I might have had a little anger issue here. Going to have a beer and get some sleep. It appears you had the beer FIRST ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pont35cpe Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 38 minutes ago, victorialynn2 said: I might have had a little anger issue here. Going to have a beer and get some sleep. You might need something stronger than "a" beer to mellow you out.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) https://www.walmart.com/ip/Blaster-PB-Penetrating-Catalyst-Penetrant/38473143?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1122&adid=22222222227026495826&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=52919997551&wl4=pla-84839391071&wl5=1021696&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=101593696&wl11=online&wl12=38473143&wl13=&veh=sem or http://www.kanolabs.com/google/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItebCiq-S1gIViVYNCh3H3wYaEAAYASAAEgJce_D_BwE I think my son use mine for his project now I just have an empty can.. Edited September 7, 2017 by nick8086 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35cz8 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I had this problem once and instead of banging my head on the wall, I took the car to Discount Tire and had them rotate my tires. Guess what, my problem became theirs but they got the lug nut off while I was enjoying a coffee. Thanks Discount Tire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8086 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 It is welded to the surface. because it is an a aluminum wheel. I have a 4-runner with them.. I think I broke three lug nuts..during it life.. Still have the car.. Now I have steel wheels on it.. PS - I hope that picture is from the internet,, I do not see you doing that to a car tire.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) At this point the wheel is trash, so use a chisel to knock-out a chunk of aluminum between the nut and the center hole to allow you to knock the wheel/tire from the hub. Once the wheel is off you'll have more room to work. At that point I'd try a small pipe wrench (with a handle extension if needed), since the more torque you apply, the harder it will bite. With the wheel off, the nut should come free (as long as the exposed threads aren't totally destroyed). If the stud snaps, that's OK too, it can be replaced (maybe a good idea anyway). Edited September 7, 2017 by EmTee (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybottom Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 MAKE SURE IT IS "LEFTY LOOSEY---RIGHTY TIGHTY" NO "LEFTY TIGHTY--RIGHTY LOOSEY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) Unless a 63 Pontiac. At this point think you just need an air chisel to break the wheel apart & remove, then a blue nosed wench to loosen. I'd be looking to either cut or break off the stud since it needs to be replaced anyway. Worst experience was when I bought my travel trailer. Someone with a bigger air gun than I.Q. had managed to put 12mm lug nuts on 1/2" studs. Broke six of the ten studs getting them off so just replaced all. Didn't need any special tools, just 1/2 drive six point impacts 24" breaker (good name), and a six foot piece of pipe. BTW +1 on PB Blaster. It works. Think is a touch better than Kano Edited September 7, 2017 by padgett (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragtop4two Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I would pound on a 4 way tire iron, either put something under the end pointing out or have someone strong hold it level then jump on the left side end or use a long pipe on the right side end and pull up, hopefully the stud will snap or the nut will come loose. The stud probably should be replaced now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Walling Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 8 hours ago, auburnseeker said: There was a crazy video on youtube that might have been posted to here at some point. Where you take a candle and a lighter and you heat up the lug nut I believe just enough so it will melt the wax. The wax supposably follows the threads in and the nut magically comes loose. It looks like it worked for the guy doing it, but that's also if you can get something on the nut still and you didn't destroy the threads so that the nut won't back over them which might have happened with the axe. I will say you probably felt a little better for a few seconds after the first few whacks though. I would search out the video to see the exact method if that's still a possibility. Good luck. The wax method works like magic. I tried it, it works. You can't believe how smooth the wax makes turning the nut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) The only problem would be if those are the capsulated lug nuts. I can't tell from the photo. There doesn't look to be any rust on the threads of the other studs, so as mentioned may be stuck to the rim. I wonder if it would work the same way if you heat the nut up and try to get it to go between the rim and nut. Sometimes a fresh start/ perspective helps alot as well. I know I've struggled with stuff before and left it. Came back another time and in not time the job was done. You just get physically, emotionally and mentally stressed to a point where walking away is best. Of course choice language helps relieve some of this as well I've heard. Edited September 7, 2017 by auburnseeker (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) VL2. If you use the break the wheel up method be sure to put safety glasses on. A piece of the aluminum can be very bad for your eyes. Ask me how I know - my fireman father in law decided it was a good idea to use his saws all on a piece I was working on slowly taking it apart when he got anxious! Laser surgery is no fun but he owed me big time for a very long time! Edited September 7, 2017 by SC38DLS (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlasguy Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I bought a new 1990 Cougar that the dealer had fitted with wheel locks! Unfortunately they were steel and the wheels aluminum! Naturally they didn't use anti seize compound and when I brought it in to have the tires rotated, they could only get three of the locks off! Even the breaker bar couldn't get them to budge! Finally they had to torch the balky one off and ruined the wheel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46 woodie Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 At this point I would drill out the stud and insert a new one along with a new lug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 When you get one like that you need a 6 point socket and a long cheater pipe. Don't worry if you break the stud off, they are cheap and easy to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhigdog Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 12 hours ago, victorialynn2 said: If the pix isn't a joke (I think it is) I recommend you put the other lug nuts back on and drive the vehicle slowly to someone with a torch, impact wrench and common sense. If it is a joke.........HAW HAW HAW.............Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger914 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 12 hours ago, victorialynn2 said: 11 hours after the posting you have probably already gotten this wheel free from the stud and car-part.com will be your easiest shopping for the closest place to get a good used wheel. These things do happen and even people who have all the tools to make this job easy, don't usually have them handy when the tire goes flat 20 miles from nowhere. This is a little trick we use in road salt country where everyday, somebody, somewhere, has a nut stuck to an alloy wheel, or an alloy wheel stuck to the hub and they don't have, or can't wait for AAA. When one is desperate, only one nut is stuck and the tinny little tire iron won't break it free, put a couple of the lug nuts on finger tight, drive a hundred feet and try that stuck one again. When they don't come free in the first couple hundred feet, park so the stuck nut is closest to the pavement, put all the nuts on finger tight then back them off a couple turns and rock the car from side to side, keep doing it and checking it until the nut breaks free. Don't know what will happen in the rest of the country, but in rust country the stud sometimes breaks before the nut breaks free and you get the same wheel pop you get when the wheel is stuck to the hub, so don't do this without the loose nuts on for safety. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) Ok guys, I confess that I'm joking here. I knew you'd all try to come to my rescue. Please don't plan an intervention for anger issues! ??? Hopefully this made you laugh and not get too worried about me. I can be a brat sometimes. Thanks for always being so helpful! Edited September 7, 2017 by victorialynn2 (see edit history) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfair Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I had a Jeep with factory mags and had the same problem as you. As someone else said, I had to drill out the offending lug nut studs in order to remove the wheels with no damage. It is a gut-busting job as those studs are hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 A small nuclear device is enroute... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Yaros Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) I can vouch that this same photo appears on a a Czech facebook page in a post by Telescope Tyres and Batteries. https://cs-cz.facebook.com/526790877456112/photos/a.528747510593782.1073741826.526790877456112/1067172626751265/?type=3 So .... Edited September 22, 2017 by D Yaros correct link (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhigdog Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, victorialynn2 said: Ok guys, I confess that I'm joking here. I knew you'd all try to come to my rescue. Please don't plan an itervention for anger issues! ??? Hopefully this made you laugh and not get too worried about me. I can be a brat sometimes. Thanks for always being so helpful! Hee Hee Hee.......... My kinda chick.....................Bob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36 D2 Coupe Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, victorialynn2 said: Ok guys, I confess that I'm joking here. I knew you'd all try to come to my rescue. Please don't plan an itervention for anger issues! ??? Hopefully this made you laugh and not get too worried about me. I can be a brat sometimes. Thanks for always being so helpful! You are indeed a saucy brat - thanks for the chuckle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 If you worked in a garage very long you wouldn't be surprised by anything a customer did. 'I never touched it, it just broke'. Sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjay Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Don't always assume replacing a stud is a simple job. Some front wheel drive vehicles have very little space between the hub flange and the suspension. The hub needs to be pressed out of the bearings which requires replacing the hub and bearings which are all press fit even though some of it didn't have to be a press fit because the axle nut does the same retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) You go girl!! That was good, but you should have played it up with a few more post. A picture with a few small useless wrenches would have added to the intrigue. Keep it up. Have fun. Unless of course you are saying it was a joke because you are embarrassed about the ax Edited September 7, 2017 by SC38DLS (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Carl Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Well , it DID bring out some good tricks to keep the temperamental types from overreacting ! ? - Carl ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 55 minutes ago, SC38DLS said: You go girl!! That was good, but you should have played it up with a few more post. A picture with a few small useless wrenches would have added to the intrigue. Keep it up. Have fun. Unless of course you are saying it was a joke because you are embarrassed about the ax Well, I was going to post... "You should see the rest of the car"! I was afraid to upset you'all too much though. Hehe Everyone should know by now that if I really faced something like this, I'd call a cute guy to fix it. I've never in my life changed a tire. Haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, victorialynn2 said: Everyone should know by now that if I really faced something like this, I'd call a cute guy to fix it. I've never in my life changed a tire. Haha Well that leaves me out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorialynn2 Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Just now, SC38DLS said: Well that leaves me out! That's just something I used to say to my dad. He'd try to teach me about cars and I'd refuse. He'd say "what are you going to do when...". I was a teenager and said, "Well, dad, I'm going to find a cute boy to fix it." LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) I guess that we all think differently. Mindful that this is all just academic, my first thought would be to use a cut off wheel, seeing as the wheel and stud are already ruined. By cutting into the stud and remains of the lug nut at a right angle there would be a point soon enough where the nut could easily be split by a chisel. My point here being that a person doesn't have to unscrew the nut if he can split the nut. It's really just the same principle as using a "nut breaker", except that you are splitting the nut from the top, rather than the side. Those of you who have split nuts on occasion know that there is usually enough internal stress in the nut that it will sort of "jump" away from the threads of the bolt, or in this case, stud. Edited September 7, 2017 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I always try to tighten the nut first and then loosen it....if you can get a socket on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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