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As a first time poster but a 20 year+ member of the AACA and a long time "reader"  of this great forum, I thought as I was removing this car I should take a couple of pics(hope they came thru) of a car I removed from my fathers barn the other day. I know people are still amazed at what people have stored away, and hoping for some of these interesting cars to see the light of day again. My father a long time collector has bought and sold 100s of cars when he could buy them for under $50,(in the 60s) and kept some of the more interesting ones with the hope of doing something with them one day. But as with many of collectors time catches up with you and you don't realize that you are not 40 anymore and still have all these cars that you are "going to get to one day" but are not. My father is in his early 80's and is still attending old car events in his 1911 Model T or his 1933 Studebaker, has with the passing of all his younger sibling realized that it is finally time to be a little more proactive in selling off a some of his cars. Being proactive for him is allowing me to start with one car and get it out of the barn and see about advertising to sell.

 

The car in the pictures is a 1920 JI Case 7 passenger touring. With some of these more lesser known make it is hard to find much(good) information on or even who I can contact for some help. I have spent lots if time with my friend google the last few nights but it is a lot different looking up info on a Case automobile then info for a Model A or 55 Chevy. With the vast knowledge on this forum is there a member who can assist me with some info or even some direction for a contact, any help or info would be greatly appreciated. If anyone has any question I will respond as quickly as I can, I have lots more pics too if everyone would like to see more and /or I can take more as it is sitting in my shop at my home now.

 

Thanks

Jeff C, Ontario Canada

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Thank you cahartley for the link and yes I have been to that site. And that is where my dilemma begins, if there is one thing I have learned from reading on this site is that rare does not equal valuable. The Case seems

to fall in the area where you are not old enough to be part of the HCCA and not new enough to be part of still very collectable late 20's to early 30's group of cars. It is one of that large group of cars that seem to of fallen

off he radar of car collectors. Then how do you put a value on something like this car to be able to sell it. There is one car auction on YouTube that auctioned off a Case . One auction does not give a good frame of reference of previous Case cars sold to be able to put a reasonable value towards it to put it up for sale. I don't what to ask $15000 when it is only worth $5000 or the opposite, I don't want to ask $5000 if it is worth $15000..... Agh

 

Jeff

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Trust me, it's not worth $15,000 unless you can find someone whose great-grandfather drove one and the guy just has to have a 1920 Case.  Parts won't be easy, as opposed to, say, a 1920 Dodge Brothers touring.  They go for between seven and twelve grand all day, and that's for a running, driving car.  I love these old tourers, but they top out at 45 with a good tailwind, so you're limited to very back roads, around a small town or parades.  There is a cool 1920 Cleveland touring on this site, running and driv9ng, that's been for sale for $8500 for a long time.  If that car was closer, I might be tempted if I could talk the guy down a bit.

 

Does your Case run?  If not, does the motor turn over?  Do you have all the parts?  If you really want to sell it, I'd bolt it back together, make sure the engine spins and all parts are there, and then sell it for five grand - if you're lucky.

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In 2014 there were two CASE touring cars that sold on an auction and they brought $50,000 and $55,000 respectively.  Here is a link to the sale results.  Now they were fixed up.  But there is a pretty strong collector following on that car because of the brand.  It crosses over to the tractor collecting world.  http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/3455/.  There is a fellow I know of looking for a Case car in southern Minnesota named Don Livingston.  He deals with tractor parts specializing in Case brand.  Hope the best for you and your family.

 

Kelly

 

 

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1912 and 1913... both of those fall into the class of reasonably "big" brass cars and would get those prices regardless of who made them. In fact, the prices are a bit on the low side for a brass cars that big. I'd say the car is worth between 5,000 and 7,000 (at best) depending on how attractive it can be made to a potential buyer. The fenders should go back on and the junk cleaned out of it. It's important that the engine not be stuck but I don't think actually running is a good idea until the pan has been down and the sump checked and cleaned.

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What a wonderful car.  I hope you can keep it and enjoy it.   Unfortunately though, if you plan to sell it, that might be a tough one.  It falls into an area many are referring to these days as the "dead zone."   The market continues to decline for these cars.  Earlier brass era cars continue to go up, especially those larger cars with the HP to climb hills and run circles around Model Ts (like mine).  These cars of the 20s are not highly sought because they are in many cases largely unusable today.  You can trailer them around to car shows, drive them on country roads, or put them on display in a museum or your own collection, but they don't do well in modern traffic on the highways, and don't offer the creature comforts that a lot of older club members seek (e.g. air conditioned 60's cars) that you can tour with.  While this would be a great Glidden or Vintage tour-mobile, there isn't much other opportunity to use it.   The parts issue has already been addressed and I believe it still has just two-wheel brakes.   Still, it's an unusual enough car that someone just might go nuts over to get it going, preserve in a fairly untouched condition and run on the Glidden. It no doubt is a stronger car than a Model T.   I'm not going to step into the "whatz-it-worth" pit but if you want to see it find a good home, perhaps JV's recommendation is a good one for price range.

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My plan is to put the rear fenders back on the car along with a couple of other items that were removed when restoration was started in the 60's. Hopefully this weekend as time permits I will look to see whether the motor is free or not. As my Dad said when we pulled it from the barn last weekend," it should run I drove it around when I bought it", but sometimes I think he forgets that was around 1965, 50+ years ago, LOL. He did drive the car around a bit when he bought it, but not much as the tires were shot. 

 

My boys got the job of cleaning the car out when I got it home.

 

PS- both my boys enjoy the old car hobby and look forward to the time they can get out and drive them, just as I did at their age. The have both come to Hershey with me and my dad since the time they were born minus a couple of years due to school commitments.

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Best of luck with your Case. I saw a nice Case in the Tallahassee Auto Museum a few years ago. I do not remember the year of the car but I remember it as being a very interesting car.  It might be worth contacting them to see if they have any info you can use. Here is their website. https://www.tacm.com/

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2 hours ago, Kelly Barnett said:

... there is a pretty strong collector following on that car because of the brand. 

 

I agree that Case cars have a strong following--a small group

but dedicated.  One of our local AACA members is a Case specialist.

He had an auction in which he sold 4 Case cars.  He kept one.

 

The prices were strong, because a nice mid-1920's Case

closed car brought $50,000, whereas it would have brought

$20,000 or so if it were some other similar make.

 

I think your car could be worth more than $5000, but contacting

the J. I. Case Collectors' Association will give you much better information.

Actually, they might be thrilled if this is a Case car hitherto unknown to them.

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Do you live anywhere near Newcastle? There used to be a Case dealer on the main street that had a huge Case emblem that probably dated back to when your car was made. It was an eagle perched on a globe and it must have been 5 feet high. The last time I saw it must have been in the mid 1970s.

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Terry

As a kid I took a keen interest in the Case even though it was in the back of the barn, I don't know why but it was always a car I thought I would like to have for myself, but I now have 4 Model t's and that was the first style car that dad had that I fell in love with. The problem with keeping the Case is there is also a 23 & 29 studebakers, 38 Caddy, 39 packard 120 coupe, 21 Jordan, Baby Grand Chev, 51 Merc, and more all in similar original condition. That goes along with the 3 licensed and drivable car, his Model T, Model A and Studebaker. In the end I would  think only 4 or 5 of the 15+ cars may be kept between my brother, sister and myself.

 

John

Thank you and I will definitely look at contacting the J. I. Case Collectors' Association.

 

Rusty

We live in the Niagara region, 20 min west of Niagara Falls. I have been thru Newcastle numerous times (on Model t tours mainly) but don't remember the Case dealership specifically.

 

 

 

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5000 tops...................

 

to compare a restored 12 case and this is apples to oranges.

 

also brass cars were far stronger in 2004 then today. Brass is dropping folks, because the fellas interested in those arent much with us anymore.

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The Case closed car mentioned in one of the responses above is an exception.  There were darned few closed cars ever made and I believe only a handful of them survive.   A closed Case from any era would be a welcome addition to most any collection, especially among Case specialists.    I'll stick with my Model T.  It may go slower than most others but when parts fall off, I usually have a spare under the back seat, or worst case, can dial the 800 number and get something delivered quickly.  

Terry

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8 hours ago, Kelly Barnett said:

In 2014 there were two CASE touring cars that sold on an auction and they brought $50,000 and $55,000 respectively.  Here is a link to the sale results.  Now they were fixed up.  But there is a pretty strong collector following on that car because of the brand.  It crosses over to the tractor collecting world.  http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/3455/.  There is a fellow I know of looking for a Case car in southern Minnesota named Don Livingston.  He deals with tractor parts specializing in Case brand.  Hope the best for you and your family.

 

Kelly

 

 

Thanks Kelly !

 

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Case is sold.

 

I would like to thank everyone for their responses and input on the car and to all the guys who PM me with interest in the car. 

I am glad to see that the car will be going to good home and hope to see the car not just sitting in a barn but back an the road where they should be.

 

Jeff

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I'm a little late to this thread but I have to tell you how much I enjoyed the picture of your clean up crew.  Great way to introduce them to old cars and their history, especially with a car as unique as a Case.

 

Terry

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On 8/3/2017 at 11:12 AM, Kelly Barnett said:

In 2014 there were two CASE touring cars that sold on an auction and they brought $50,000 and $55,000 respectively.  Here is a link to the sale results....  http://bid.aumannauctions.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/3455/.  ...

 

Thanks for the link to that auction.

That's the local member's sale I mentioned, and there

were four Case cars sold there.  The closed car

I mentioned is there, a little down the list:  a 1925 Case

Model X suburban coupe (pictured), which sold for $55,000 according to

that website.

 

Jeff (seller), did you sell to someone from the forum here who inquired?

I hope you had the time to do sufficient research, and got a fair price.

 

 

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I have a question.  I read this post and the most of post was about the value, of a Case automobile.  With members staying the car was worth this and here is what  other Case cars sold for.

In end, the car sold in two days!  But the person who sold the car never told us the price.  Now it must have been a boat load of money.

So my question is what did the car sell for?  Is it so much that it must be keep a secret?

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In a private sale, the selling price is between the buyer and seller, and is really  no one else's business. 

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I purchased this Case Car. It was delivered to me Sat the 30 of Sept  2017. It is everything they said it was. I am very happy with it.  I like em original.  I post time to time as things transpire.  I have a Model 10-18 Case Tractor , {little green one},Year 1918  to finish first. The larger running tractor is a LH Case known as a Hesselman Diesel , of of three known.  Also just bought that Dodge CNT900 in the background with a 855 Cummins  and a 13 speed. It doesn't need any fixing. Thanks to Mr Kelly Barnett for the Heads Up on this Car.

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I love the 33 Studebaker! I think that it's the President Speedway that I have been hearing about for years. I knew that it was in Canada, but didn't know where. I think that it is one of two surviving, the other in the hands of a well known collector in Ma. Just curious if your father has any plans to sell it?

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