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EYE ON DESIGN 17, A FEW PICS

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      I thought that I would weigh in here as an independent. The 1923 Kissel which is in a number of your various pictures above, is mine. My wife and I have taken our wonderful 1923 Kissel Gold Bug to several national Concours de' Elegance shows East of the Mississippi, from Boca Raton in Florida, to the Willistead in Canada (First-in-Class both places). To the point of this forum's discussion, our Kissel was shown at "Eyes on Design" exhibitions in 2013 and 2017.

      My wife's (and my) favorite show so far, of all exhibitions, has been the "Eyes on Design" show.

      I'm very sorry bigdog, that you had a bad experience when you were there, but I guess that's like even great restaurants serving a bad meal on occasion. Nobody has ever told us where to sit on the field at Eyes-on-Design. We don't go to shows to see how good, or bad, the provided lunches are, so I can't weigh in on that; we prefer vendor food anyway when traveling. And while it rained a lot and was muddy when we won the Boca Raton show, it wasn't the organizers fault.

      I would give Boca another shot. Bigdog, I'ld urge you to give Eyes another shot as well. 

      My thoughts at least.

      Ron Hausmann P.E.

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1 hour ago, ron hausmann said:

Bigdog, I'ld urge you to give Eyes another shot as well. 

 

Thanks for your report, Ron. I'm glad you and your wife are pleased with the show. Your restaurant analogy may have some merit, and if there were only one unsatisfactory aspect of the show, and if It was local, I possibly would consider it again. But for us the experience was so lacking, especially after the build up I received when invited, that it is out of the question. As I said earlier we've attended  many  shows ranging from local  car clubs to very high end concours events. Sometimes we win concours awards sometimes we don't. That aspect is totally irrelevant. As you would expect, some shows are very well run and a great experience others not as much. 

My wife and I both left the Eye's show field in agreement it was the worst show experience to date, especially after our encounter with the gate guard,  to the point I felt compelled to comment on it. Something I've never done before.

Perhaps it was a confluence of events. Perhaps our issues are a one off or have been addressed. If so I say good for the show and good for the exhibitors.

That said,  our critique of the one show we attended must stand.

Again, thank you for your thoughtful post............Bob & Caroline Beck

 

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On 10/22/2017 at 11:34 AM, Bhigdog said:

 

Not the fault of the show but Michigan's highway's are bad to the point of punishing your vehicles  with pot holes, poor repairs, rough surface and loose broken up pavement. I was truly surprised I didn't damage my trailer.

 

 

 

On 10/23/2017 at 7:37 PM, Larry Schramm said:

Pennsylvania roads are nothing to brag about.

 

On 10/23/2017 at 7:44 PM, Bhigdog said:

Granted. But I75, I think it was, was way beyond any other interstate I'd EVER traveled. It was remarkably bad.  Even the "repair" patches jarred our teeth.................Bob

 

Those roads are really bad, but I guess you never had the pleasure of driving through NYC on the Cross Bronx Expressway

 

Thanks for sharing the pictures of the show, real nice cars

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39 minutes ago, John348 said:

I guess you never had the pleasure of driving through NYC on the Cross Bronx Expressway

 

I have but I've blocked it out of my mind. Even after 3 years I-75 is the gift that keeps on giving...................Bob

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There probably has never been a show that complaints weren’t abound.

 

You knew the rules up front, either don’t attend  or START your own show, then listen to all the cry babies. 

 

Ask any promoter, they could write a book on cry babies. 

 

Dale in Indy 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Dale,

Again, my posts are not complaints, per se, but rather are statements of fact, presented so others can make an informed decision as to whether to attend in the future.

I do realize that the condition of I75N is not under the control of the show. I mention it only as a warning to the unwary.

The "up front rules" you mention, other than a "request" to remain on the show field,  are in fact not mentioned in the pre-show paper work. Nor were they mentioned when I was cold called with a request asking me to bring my car to the show. Had they been clearly stated in either I would have politely declined.

Thank you for your polite and well thought out post.

Again, I respectfully ask you to resist the urge to "kill the messenger".....................Robert Beck

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Robert,

 

You seem to be a lone ranger on the quality of the show. A far outlier outside of the normal experience of all of the other posters so far.  What are we missing? 

 

How does your complaint "Even after 3 years I-75 is the gift that keeps on giving"?  Those type of irrational statements discredits your complaints and other comments.

 

IMO, it looks like it is time for the moderators to close this thread.

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Outlier or lone ranger is irrelevant. If everyone else is pleased with the show it can't, nor will it, change my experience. Facts are facts. Others are entitled to their opinions. If they are pleased as punch with the show I have no arguments with them and I would not try to change their minds. It's curious that others can't accept my experience and are trying to convince me that somehow It just can't be. Well sorry, but it is what it is.

 

43 minutes ago, Larry Schramm said:

How does your complaint "Even after 3 years I-75 is the gift that keeps on giving"? 

 

A simple reading of my comment, taken in context, should answer your question.  Let me explain:

A remark was made referencing the Cross Bronx Expressway and I commented that it was, in essence, a bad experience but I was able to forget it. In contrast, my experience with I-75N was so bad it was still fresh in my mind after 3 years. Hence the "gift that keeps on giving".  

 

BTW, you seem to agree in your post #23. 

 

So once again let me say it. If everyone else loved the show I am truly  glad for one and all. But it does not change the facts of our experience. I wish the show and it's participants no ill will. 

 

59 minutes ago, Larry Schramm said:

IMO, it looks like it is time for the moderators to close this thread.

 

A shameless call to "kill the messenger".  Perhaps the message is too close  for comfort.

 

Again Larry we wish nothing but the best for you and yours, especially during this season of good will...................Robert Beck

 

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1 hour ago, Larry Schramm said:

An opinion is not fact.

 

I totally agree. That's why I related our experience as factual events not our OPINION of those events................Robert Beck

 

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." - Gen. George S. Patton

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6 minutes ago, R W Burgess said:

I think you guys have thoroughly beaten this "horse". Time to move on!

 

I agree that there is not much more to discuss. That said. As long as folks feel the need to offer comments , and assuming those comments are civil,  it's hard to see where a moderator would bother to  get involved in an active discussion that is obviously near a natural death anyway. Just sayin................Bob

 

 

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On ‎11‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 1:22 AM, nick8086 said:

My Dad's nick name was Beck..

 

I am  glad you posted. I feel your pain.. It cost a lot of money and time to show some of the older cars..

 

Car parts, hotels, gas, . I may spend three weeks working on the car.. Just to show it 4 hours..

 

Napa does not have any kaiser darrin parts in stock anymore..  I took the Darrin Jr.. to a show only because I could not find parts for the real car.. 

 

 

Jake.

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There are  reproduction parts currently available for almost every thing on the Kaiser Darrin.

If you haven't found something, look in other places.

I have been driving mine for 9 years and haven't put a week of work into it, other than an engine rebuild after a blown timing gear.

 

I was invited to the EOD and had a lovely time.  Only complaint was the fact that they played loud oldies all day long, much like at a cruise night--cheapened the aura of the event.  I have since learned that enough people complained, it will be corrected next year. 

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One's experience at an event doesn't necessarily reflect everyone's experience at that same event. Both can be true simultaneously.

 

For instance, by all accounts, the last CLC national meet in Washington DC in July was a big success for everyone...except me and my family. Due to a screw-up on the part of the show runners and one particularly unpleasant fellow show attendee, my week was ruined and my family and I left the show at 9:00 AM, before it even started. You will note that I have crossed the CLC off the list of clubs to which I am a member in my signature--I have dropped my my membership because of the miserable experience at that national meet, as well as the club's response to it.

 

Nevertheless, everyone else seemed to have a great time.

 

Both versions of events can be true.

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Thank you Matt for one of the few cogent responses to my posts. I tried to make that exact point but the  prevailing mood seemed  to be any negative comments were treated as some sort of heresy  to be silenced  by whatever means necessary including being called a "grouch",  a "cry baby" having aspersions cast as to my mental state,  being told to "give it a rest" and to "move on".  I truly don't understand it but it's not unusual...............Bob

 

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Anyone that goes to a show knowing the rules, then when at the show attempts to change the rules, isn’t being realistic. 

 

Of all the shows I have attended over 60 years I have never found a reason to complain, RULES are RULES.  Go to the promoter, and suggest they consider changes for future shows. 

 

Dale in Indy 

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2 hours ago, smithbrother said:

Anyone that goes to a show knowing the rules, then when at the show attempts to change the rules, isn’t being realistic. 

 

Of all the shows I have attended over 60 years I have never found a reason to complain, RULES are RULES.

 

Hi Dale.  Thanks for your thoughts above. Taken as a stand alone statement they have merit.  Taken in context as it relates to the current thread they have been addressed in post #31.

 

2 hours ago, smithbrother said:

Go to the promoter, and suggest they consider changes for future shows. 

 

While the reason for my postings has been to provide a more balanced picture of the event hopefully the show's management will take my view of the event as constructive criticism. Customer feed back should always be important to an enlightened management team.......................Robert Beck

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I guess the fact you were addressing issues you had TWO years ago watered down the post.

 

  From what I have read and also learned from a couple Michigan friends that attended this year, the show was well received.

 

Dale in Indy 

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16 minutes ago, smithbrother said:

I guess the fact you were addressing issues you had TWO years ago watered down the post.

 

  From what I have read and also learned from a couple Michigan friends that attended this year, the show was well received.

 

Dale in Indy 

 

I am truly glad it was, Dale. Perhaps my negative observations have been addressed. If you re-read my post #16 you will see I've already clearly addressed that eventuality.......................Bob

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23 minutes ago, smithbrother said:

Merry Christmas Bob,

 

I do see your point,  no hard feelings here, FOR SURE!

 

Dale in Indy

 

Roger that...............Bob

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On 12/3/2017 at 7:05 PM, Bhigdog said:

Hi Dale,

Again, my posts are not complaints, per se, but rather are statements of fact, presented so others can make an informed decision as to whether to attend in the future.

I do realize that the condition of I75N is not under the control of the show. I mention it only as a warning to the unwary.

The "up front rules" you mention, other than a "request" to remain on the show field,  are in fact not mentioned in the pre-show paper work. Nor were they mentioned when I was cold called with a request asking me to bring my car to the show. Had they been clearly stated in either I would have politely declined.

Thank you for your polite and well thought out post.

Again, I respectfully ask you to resist the urge to "kill the messenger".....................Robert Beck

Actually the rules were very clearly stated and were in acceptance paperwork also. I entered the show field with full knowledge that I would not be leaving until 4:00. I had a great visit with Janouseks and thoroughly enjoyed the show. Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience. 

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1 hour ago, ericmac said:

Actually the rules were very clearly stated and were in acceptance paperwork also. I entered the show field with full knowledge that I would not be leaving until 4:00.

 

As I very clearly acknowledged in my post.

 

Glad to hear you thoroughly enjoyed the show.....................Bob

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