Mssr. Bwatoe

EYE ON DESIGN 17, A FEW PICS

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Wayne, it was on the grounds of the Edsel Ford estate in Grosse Point Michigan. Nice show, nice location, nice people.  

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In the  interest of telling it like it is (was)

 

Trailer parking is a horror show . It's  a smallish limited access public  marina lot with boats, cars. trucks etc.  jamming the field. Field was long wet grass. Owners are not allowed to sit with their your car.  When I asked for the reason for that I was told "the show field itself is a work of art" and owners sitting by their cars would just be clutter. But I was allowed to stand by it.  WTF! Pompous assery if you ask me. Car "watchers" provided but were often away from cars leaving them unattended. The provided "lunch" was two pieces of white bread slathered with mayo ,a piece of mystery meat, and a slab of process cheese. But go somewhere else to eat it. Seating not provided.

Show was presented to me as a concours "style" event................... NOT!

Not the fault of the show but Michigan's highway's are bad to the point of punishing your vehicles  with pot holes, poor repairs, rough surface and loose broken up pavement. I was truly surprised I didn't damage my trailer.

If you are local and easily satisfied it's fine. If you drive 600 miles and spend $1000 as I did you would be much better off with a local show, a burger, and a donation of your $1000 to local charity.

Nice venue for a show though......................Bob

 

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Granted. But I75, I think it was, was way beyond any other interstate I'd EVER traveled. It was remarkably bad.  Even the "repair" patches jarred our teeth.................Bob

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Don't disagree on I-75 from the Ohio state line to about exit 45.  We can thank our law makers in Lansing who allow 160,000 pound trucks to traverse the roads in Michigan.  The federal allowable weight is 80,000 pounds.  When you get north of Bay City the roads are fine.  The legislature continues to feed us propaganda that the heavy trucks don't damage the roads,  yeah right.  Why north of BC good roads but south of that many of the roads are horrible?

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Boy what a grouch, The lunch was nice, choice of croissant with several choices of meat, box lunch style with choice of beverage, and nice sitting area adjacent

to the serving tent, within view of the show field, parking down the street with easy access in and out, and plenty of folks sitting comfortably in the area behind the cars

leaving lots of room for spectators to circulate around the nicely manicured lawn, dry after the morning dew evaporated, which didn't take long as it was 90 and humid..

Accentuate the positive!

 

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Not a grouch at all. Simply telling it , with out any spin, like it was two years ago . If they've corrected the deficiencies good for them. If nothing has changed i stand by my report without reservation as what to expect. In fact I left a couple of things out.......................Bob

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I attended the show and had a great time of it. The staff could not have been more helpful. I showed up with a very large trailer and they fit me right in. I didn't win but looked over my class and wouldn't have picked my car either. Personally,  I recommend the show.

 

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On 10/23/2017 at 9:08 PM, Mssr. Bwatoe said:

and plenty of folks sitting comfortably in the area behind the cars

 

Hmmm. Nice pics, Mssr. Not to belabor the point but I don't see "plenty of folks sitting comfortably" behind their cars unless you count the edges of the show field as being with their cars. Said edges being too far away to watch your car, interact with spectators, answer questions, or generally even identify with your car. In other words the very reasons  many folks bring their cars to a show are denied at this one. Other than looking at other cars (but not being able to talk to the owners) there is little reason to attend.

I stand by my earlier comments with one addition. Show participants are asked to keep their cars on the field until, I think 1500 or 1600. I understand the rational but didn't realize it was an order subject to enforcement. 

Because of the earlier mentioned grid locked public access  trailer lot I decided to leave 30 minutes early.  Our exit was blocked by a large and  aggressive attendant (guard?).

He told us bluntly and in our faces we were not allowed to leave. I told him we needed to leave. He closed  the distance between himself and our car and very aggressively said "you can't leave until 1600 (or whatever the time was). He actually frightened my wife enough that she was cowering.

I told him "we have a medical problem NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY" which he reluctantly did with exaggerated slowness.

 

So, I'm certain many folks have a fine time at this show. Unfortunately for the reasons I verbalized my wife and I did not.

In the interest of fairness in advertising the show flyer should state:

It's a concours "like" event

Trailer parking is limited and congested.

Bring water proof foot wear.

A cold and plain box lunch will be provided.

Owners are not allowed to place chairs on the field.

Exit time is strictly enforced.

If you are trailering South of DTW on Michigan I75 expect a bone jarring ride and possible damage.

 

When I was contacted and asked to bring my car that was not the picture that was painted.

 

Other than that it was a fine show.

 

NEVER AGAIN...................Bob and Caroline Beck

 

 

 

 

 

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On ‎11‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 7:14 PM, Bhigdog said:

 

Hmmm. Nice pics, Mssr. Not to belabor the point but I don't see "plenty of folks sitting comfortably" behind their cars unless you count the edges of the show field as being with their cars. Said edges being too far away to watch your car, interact with spectators, answer questions, or generally even identify with your car. In other words the very reasons  many folks bring their cars to a show are denied at this one. Other than looking at other cars (but not being able to talk to the owners) there is little reason to attend.

I stand by my earlier comments with one addition. Show participants are asked to keep their cars on the field until, I think 1500 or 1600. I understand the rational but didn't realize it was an order subject to enforcement. 

Because of the earlier mentioned grid locked public access  trailer lot I decided to leave 30 minutes early.  Our exit was blocked by a large and  aggressive attendant (guard?).

He told us bluntly and in our faces we were not allowed to leave. I told him we needed to leave. He closed  the distance between himself and our car and very aggressively said "you can't leave until 1600 (or whatever the time was). He actually frightened my wife enough that she was cowering.

I told him "we have a medical problem NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY" which he reluctantly did with exaggerated slowness.

 

So, I'm certain many folks have a fine time at this show. Unfortunately for the reasons I verbalized my wife and I did not.

In the interest of fairness in advertising the show flyer should state:

It's a concours "like" event

Trailer parking is limited and congested.

Bring water proof foot wear.

A cold and plain box lunch will be provided.

Owners are not allowed to place chairs on the field.

Exit time is strictly enforced.

If you are trailering South of DTW on Michigan I75 expect a bone jarring ride and possible damage.

 

When I was contacted and asked to bring my car that was not the picture that was painted.

 

Other than that it was a fine show.

 

NEVER AGAIN...................Bob and Caroline Beck

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bob,

 

I think it is time for you to give it a rest. 

 

How many years ago did you attend?  How many times did you attend?  From what I have heard it was one time three or four years ago.

 

I was an exhibitor a couple of years ago and I found the venue and the persons running the event very cordial.  My experience is 180 degrees opposite of your non stop negative comments including the roads in Michigan.  Pennsylvania roads are nothing to brag about and I travel to and through PA quite a few times each year including just last week for a family event.

 

Please consider  living up to your "NEVER AGAIN" and go out and find something that will make you happy.  Focus on the positive things in your life and be a happier person and live longer as there is a lot of data that shows this to be true.

 

Maybe it would be just staying east of the Ohio eastern state line?

 

As Abraham Lincoln said  "Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be."

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7 hours ago, Larry Schramm said:

 

Bob,

 

I think it is time for you to give it a rest. 

 

How many years ago did you attend?  How many times did you attend?  From what I have heard it was one time three or four years ago.

 

I was an exhibitor a couple of years ago and I found the venue and the persons running the event very cordial.  My experience is 180 degrees opposite of your non stop negative comments including the roads in Michigan.  Pennsylvania roads are nothing to brag about and I travel to and through PA quite a few times each year including just last week for a family event.

 

Please consider  living up to your "NEVER AGAIN" and go out and find something that will make you happy.  Focus on the positive things in your life and be a happier person and live longer as there is a lot of data that shows this to be true.

 

Maybe it would be just staying east of the Ohio eastern state line?

 

As Abraham Lincoln said  "Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be."

 

You certainly are welcome to your opinion, Larry, as I am to mine. You are also welcome to post them, as am I. 

As to my happiness I assure you I do find enjoyment and happiness on a daily basis in most things I do, large and small.

Also,  I do very much appreciate your concern for my mental well being. Which by the way has absolutely no bearing on my and my wife's experience at that show 2 years ago.

I reported our experience as a matter of facts not opinions. It is what it is.

My only wish is that I was told the facts before I wasted $1000 and four days of my life. Perhaps my posts will spare another.

I am truly sorry you find it necessary to take umbrage at my posts. But, as I said: It is what it is 

As an aside I've been to many dozens of shows including a fair number of concours events and have never posted a negative comment on any of them. Nor did I find it necessary to do so.

I likely will continue to venture West of the Ohio/Pennsylvania state line. I also may report on my ventures as the need arises.

Again, thank you Larry for your concern as to my health and happiness.  In return we wish nothing but the best for you and your's.                                                         

                      As some anonymous person said:  " Don't kill the messenger".

Robert and Caroline Beck

 

 

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My Dad's nick name was Beck..

 

I am  glad you posted. I feel your pain.. It cost a lot of money and time to show some of the older cars..

 

Car parts, hotels, gas, . I may spend three weeks working on the car.. Just to show it 4 hours..

 

Napa does not have any kaiser darrin parts in stock anymore..  I took the Darrin Jr.. to a show only because I could not find parts for the real car.. 

 

 

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We had a good time at the event this year.   In fact, we sat in our chairs and visited with Ericmac until the rain came.  The tour of the house is really worth seeing.   The father's day date kinda blows though.  

 

The pictures don't show anyone behind the cars because it was hot.  Everyone was moved back into the shade, but owners were allowed to sit behind the cars,  Box lunch with plenty of seating.  Lunch was ok, not great but when are they at this type of event.   We stopped in the rig parking lot to drop the top on our 31' Buick and it looked like plenty of parking.   Maybe they have fixed most of your complaints?    I've been on plenty of PA roads just as bad as Michigan one so that complaint is a wash.  

 

My only complaint is the gps kept sending us on 8mile road in a 31' Buick.  Slightly uncomfortable at times but I had a .45 double stack with extra clip was at my feet.  Not a good way to head East out of there.  Once we weave over to Pontiac then It's smooth sailing the last two hours home.   

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Glad you had a good time. My experience was as stated so perhaps they made some much needed changes. I agree some PA roads are in much need of repair, and I do a fair amount of interstate driving, but I have never been on an interstate in as deplorable condition as I-75N  South of the city. It was all the more remarkable because of the contrast with fairly smooth rolling until we crossed the line into Michigan. That's not the fault of the show but nice to know for the unwary.

Roger the double stack. My Colt Combat Commander was a comfort when  our GPS took us right into the city @ 0430  the morning we departed..............Bob

 

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