Kosage Chavis Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 This is the reason why I had to take a brief hiatus from my car. I am redoing my garage. Nothing special, it's just a little one car garage that has been needing some TLC ever since we moved in almost 10 years ago. I hope this will take no longer than a month, but nothing much really goes according to plan. I might have some questions dealing with lighting. I know you all got my back. I will provide pictures as I go along. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I've got to clean out my shop as I have a '29 to fix next week and then put a car together with a trailer of parts after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 So here's a few shots of my garage. Yesterday was the first day and I spent that trying to move stuff out of the way to clear it out. A shot from the outside.A shot of one of the corners of the garage right at the bigger entrance. Here is one of the many holes in my garage walls. This is where I will add an electrical outlet with a new shelving unit.More shots with this one looking at the entrance to my kitchen.Looking at the backyard entrance and window.Shot taken from rear of garage looking at front corner of garage.Shot from rear of garage looking at kitchen entrance.Shot from middle of garage, looking at rear. Washer and dryer area.Shot from middle of garage, looking at rear. Work bench area. Yes, this is my only real work light.Just a shot of one of the many holes in my garage.Finally, a shot the ceiling. This is the only general lighting I have in here and it's surrounded by a bunch of holes.Today, I hope to have this garage mostly cleared with exception to a few things. I still have all kinds of Buick parts to move out of my way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 It is funny how much stuff can accumulate in a garage. I've started to have a love affair with dumpsters as I have gotten older. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, alsancle said: It is funny how much stuff can accumulate in a garage. I've started to have a love affair with dumpsters as I have gotten older. Funny thing is 99 percent of this stuff isn't going in the trash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Eaton Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 It looks deeper than the average garage and with the high ceiling, you have room for high storage. I guess the washer/dryer stay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dei Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 10 hours ago, alsancle said: It is funny how much stuff can accumulate in a garage. ONLY WHEN ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO REMOVE EVERYTHING. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Cleared the garage out as planned. All Buick parts were moved along with most of my tools and other miscellaneous things. Got a nice workout going up and down a ladder all day long. Here's some shots of the garage after clearing out.I made exception for the evaporator boxes. I refused to move those things around. Anyway, the shelving unit is mostly clear.Work bench is now practically naked.Some of the few things I had to keep in the garage. Fortunately, they all have wheels.Another Buick item I just refused to move...the front seat. I will cover anx work around it.Next weekend, the goal is to remove all drywall and possibly add a few electrical outlets. See you then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I like those hanging shelves! Removing drywall?Why!?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, MrEarl said: I like those hanging shelves! Removing drywall?Why!?!? Hey Mr Lamar. Yeah, I need to replace the drywall. There's holes holes all over the place and the previous drywall job was done terribly. I also want to insulate the walls and add some electrical outlets while I have everything exposed. I built those hanging shelves and my work bench about 6 years ago. This was done before I found my Buick. It has served its purpose very well. Thank you. Edited April 24, 2017 by Kosage Chavis (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Anyone have any suggestions for lighting. The nominal dimensions of my garage is 13 x 28 x 10.5(h). Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elpad Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 4-PACK 4ft 40W LED Utility Shop Light, 4000lm 120W Equivalent ENERGY STAR & ETL Listed, Double Integrated LED Fixture, 5000K Daylight Ceiling Light Pu https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DBFG1TO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_NMjtKAe3thrse this is what I installed in my garage. Very happy with them 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Got some work done to the garage over the weekend. Time to pull all the drywall down. First, I needed to unmount the work bench from the wall.I also removed window and door trim which will be replaced because it's so dry rotted. Then came the filthy work of tearing out drywall. Here's a few shots of the progress.Since taking these photos, I have removed more drywall which includes most of the ceiling. It was just too dark to take pictures. I will post those tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just a few shots of the ceiling. A shot of the shelving unit area. Still need to pull the drywall in this area.More work to come next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Looking good and a lot of opportunity for upgrades in wiring and lights, etc.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, Larry Schramm said: Looking good and a lot of opportunity for upgrades in wiring and lights, etc.. You read my mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 I need to make a choice on lighting. Here is one idea given to me right here... On 4/24/2017 at 10:37 PM, Elpad said: 4-PACK 4ft 40W LED Utility Shop Light, 4000lm 120W Equivalent ENERGY STAR & ETL Listed, Double Integrated LED Fixture, 5000K Daylight Ceiling Light Pu https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DBFG1TO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_NMjtKAe3thrse this is what I installed in my garage. Very happy with them I figured these lights (or something close to this could be installed on the ceiling of the garage and serve as general lighting. But my wife wants a separate set of lighting for her washer /dryer area shown here...I was thinking something like a couple wall-mounted lights mounted directly above the washer and dryer. Please share your opinions. Finally, I want to mount some lights directly underneath the shelving unit shown here...and here...Should I use the same type of lights that I would use on the garage ceiling or something else? Again, I would appreciate some opinions. Each set of lights (laundry area, general, and under shelving) would have its own dedicated light switch. I appreciate any suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Put a bunch of these in your garage. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_12?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=8ft+led+light+fixture&sprefix=8ft+led+ligh%2Caps%2C179&crid=1FI6GJXVVNCP2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Good choices for general lighting. But install a hooded fixture close to your work: hooded lite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Install insulation and cover with Rib Steel Roof Panels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelsBuicks Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Larry Schramm said: Put a bunch of these in your garage. https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_12?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=8ft+led+light+fixture&sprefix=8ft+led+ligh%2Caps%2C179&crid=1FI6GJXVVNCP2 I noticed this search turned up 600 results! KC, I don't know about you but this is my problem in trying to decide on lighting. LEDs seem to be the way to go. But my help ends there. Home Depot has a high bay light, about 15000 lumens for about $160. I have not made any choices for my shop yet - mostly because there's about 600 choices out there and I know next to nothing about any of them. It seems that no matter how well-lit my current shop is, I still have my untrusty trouble light plugged in and it never fails to live up to its name! Good luck! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 This weekend's work on the garage was abbreviated. I had some other small things that needed to be tended to. I was able to remove the last of the drywall in the shelving unit.Got a couple of questions for you guys. I will post it later today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I have bought a 4 foot rechargeable LED trouble light from Harbor Freight that beats the heck out of the old kind. No cord and it lasts about 6 hours on a charge. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) So the question is this...the current wires used for my outlets shown here...are 14 gage wire. Should I stick with the 14 gage, or should I upgrade to 12 gage? Are 14 gage wires adequate enough to safely service an outlet that will have a heavy duty power tool plugged up to it (such as an air compressor)? Thank you. Edited May 8, 2017 by Kosage Chavis (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 What amp breakers are on those 14 gauge wires, probably 15? You may want to consider going with 12 gauge and 20 amp. Regarding air compressors, most are 220 V and will require a dedicated line and breaker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmfconsult Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, MrEarl said: What amp breakers are on those 14 gauge wires, probably 15? You may want to consider going with 12 gauge and 20 amp. Regarding air compressors, most are 220 V and will require a dedicated line and breaker. ... and if you have extra room on your electrical panel, I would add additional breakers so you can add as many outlets as possible (1 every 6-feet or so). Lighting, I would go with LED, you have many many cheap options (check Costco for specials), but the extra outlets will allow you to add focus lighting where you need it as time goes on. You can also add fixtures directly over the work bench and laundry areas, either on the ceiling or wall mounted. I would also make sure your main garage lights are set up with 3-way switches, so you can turn lights on/off at the garage door as well as the kitchen door. I didn't do this and regret it every time I enter the garage through the garage door. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 Right now I only have 4 electrical outlets in the garage. I plan on adding 4 more outlets. It sounds like everyone agrees that I should upgrade my wiring to 12 gage with 20 amp breakers...so that's what I will do. In the picture shown below...I plan on moving my air compressor here. A new outlet will be installed here and this outlet will have its own dedicated electrical line and breaker. I will also build a new shelving unit in this same corner. The other 3 new outlets will be jumped off of existing outlets. Still deliberating on lights, but I am going to take everyone's advice and go LED. Does this sound right so far? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC-car-guy Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) I don't want to post anything troublesome in public forum. I encourage you to read the building code, even if you're not permitting, at least for any future resale or insurance inspections. Virginia being a commonwealth sometimes has some weird add-ons to nationally accepted practice. Edited May 9, 2017 by wndsofchng06 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 59 minutes ago, wndsofchng06 said: I don't want to post anything troublesome in public forum. I encourage you to read the building code, even if you're not permitting, at least for any future resale or insurance inspections. Virginia being a commonwealth sometimes has some weird add-ons to nationally accepted practice. What Matt said. Curl up with an Electrical DIY book for a couple of nights. Depending on where your main panel is and how much of it is being used, you may even want to consider running a 60 or 100 amp line to your garage, then take off from it with conduit to wherever you need lights and receptacles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kosage Chavis Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 Is this something that's available online? I am looking, but with little luck. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC-car-guy Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Your library should have some books on it. Local codes may or may not be available online. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 53 minutes ago, Kosage Chavis said: Is this something that's available online? I am looking, but with little luck. Thank you. I hate referring anyone to another forum, but any question you have about garage electrical has probably already been answered or can be answered here. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 25, 2017 Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 Need your opinions again. My wife hates the idea of strip commercial lighting in the garage. Does anyone have an opinion of recessed lighting in a garage? I would do bright LED bulbs, but want to install enough to get good lighting. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Kosage Chavis said: opinion of recessed lighting in a garage? Cute, but not enough light for a work area. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 11 hours ago, old-tank said: Cute, but not enough light for a work area. I disagree I put 16 recessed lights in my 2 car garage and even with these old eyes I can see pretty good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 6 hours ago, Bill Stoneberg said: I put 16 recessed lights... Sixteen? My frugal and lazy-ass nature could not do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosage Chavis Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Wife and I just purchased the new washer and dryer today. They will be delivered in 2 weeks. We also looked at a set of cabinets for my wife's laundry area. Still undecided on a set of lights. We looked at strip lighting and recessed lighting. While the LED recessed lighting was bright as the sun, they were more expensive than the strip lighting. So, we are leaning towards purchasing the strip lighting. The jury is still out on this one. Work continues tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I used 12 Ga wire to all my receptacles, 20 amp breakers. You wouldn't have to do all but with the walls open it might be a good job. Here is a photo of my garage & shop 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC-car-guy Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 45 minutes ago, Kosage Chavis said: Wife and I just purchased the new washer and dryer today. They will be delivered in 2 weeks. We also looked at a set of cabinets for my wife's laundry area. Still undecided on a set of lights. We looked at strip lighting and recessed lighting. While the LED recessed lighting was bright as the sun, they were more expensive than the strip lighting. So, we are leaning towards purchasing the strip lighting. The jury is still out on this one. Work continues tomorrow. The recessed will require more fixture for the same area.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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