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1930 Studebaker President Reduced 38500 paint upgrades

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ols car dog    6

Is my car priced too low forC.C.C.A levelautos? Is it to high for a Studebaker President?

Fell free to comment.

Should I get it appraised,or would it "Poison the Well" if Ipick the appraiser?

I value your thoughts on this car

 

Ken

 

 

 

 

 

https://classiccars.com/listings/view/939043/1930-studebaker-president-for-sale-in-houma-louisiana-70360

 

https://news.classiccars.com/pick-day-1930-studebaker-president/

 

 

 

 

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ols car dog    6

The pictures left before l finished with the text.

Sorry about that!!,

This car ad is also posted on aaca buy/sell page14.

l have an ad on classic cars.com ad no. Is 909340.

here are some pictures.

The complete discription and more pictures are there

It seems I can,t link to classic cars. The links are on the ad on page 14

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tinindian    322

Very nice car but you should advertise it on the Studebaker, Erskine and Rockne forum down below.  This car is not a CCCA vehicle and most people here are looking at/for full CCCA "Classics. Real nice people here but the people on the Studebaker forum are your best fans.   Good Luck with your sale.http://forums.aaca.org/forum/21-studebaker-erskine-rockne/

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ols car dog    6
On March 12, 2017 at 8:20 AM, SMB said:

Post this in the Studebaker section below also.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I failed to state this a President,which is a full ccca classic 

I will put it on stude site shortly

ken

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Tinindian    322

Sorry if I was wrong or misunderstood because I am really only a "Antique" and "Vintage" car guy.  Only ever owned one "Classic"  and 11 series Packard.  However I thought by following the Studebaker posts that on a specific "'34 President Regal Roadster" qualified???  Is/has there been any proper clarification on this topic?

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trimacar    537

I tried to find the car on cars.com and could not, you may wish to post a direct link to the ad.  That sure seems to be an awkward web site to find a specific car.

 

Is car in Louisiana, I see the YOM license plate on it?  From there (Alexandria) and it's where my heart resides!

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ols car dog    6

Car is in Houma,La

The ad is on classiccars.com  ad no.939043

I am in process of trying to link to ad.

I'm not too good at it.

1 hour ago, trimacar said:

I tried to find the car on cars.com and could not, you may wish to post a direct link to the ad.  That sure seems to be an awkward web site to find a specific car.

 

Is car in Louisiana, I see the YOM license plate on it?  From there (Alexandria) and it's where my heart resides!

 

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Dave Fields    17

If it hasn't sold, there is a problem with the price, product, your promotion, or where you are advertising it. Start with what you can change. Frankly, although the President is a fantastic car, it is not in demand at this price, which is what I would expect a Pierce or Packard to be priced at, It is the least desirable body styles, and a standard catalogue body, i.e. not a full or semi custom. National awards by the AACA or Studebaker Driver's Club would help. Appraisers don't kow any more that what you can determine by an afternoon's research online.

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trimacar    537

As Dave states, the President is a great car.

 

Since you asked the question, I'll give you my blunt opinion.  There are two problems with selling this car. 

 

One is presentation, and how the car strikes the would be buyer.  While it appears to be nicely restored, the white wheels and brake drums are very distracting and take away from the look of the car. Maroon brake drums showing through black wheels, and a pintstripe job on the spokes, would really give the car more personality.  I personally like the rear mounted spare, as this give a nice clean fender line and makes the car look longer, but I'd bet 80% or more of would be buyers want sidemounts.  The car just doesn't grab one's attention enough to demand big money.  Contrasting paint, black to match fenders,  on the body mouldings would help, as would a tasteful pinstriping.   Look at the picture attached of another 1930 President that was sold recently.  Body style aside, look how this car grabs you, I don't even like green on a car but this one is beautifully done.  I don't know selling price, but would be willing to bet it sold for $50K or more.

 

And that's the second issue.  I feel you are well overpriced in today's market.  Yes, it's restored.  Yes, it's a Full Classic.  Those things don't automatically bring big bucks, and the other truism is that what you have invested in a car does NOT determine market price for that car.  I believe your car would sell in the $25K -30K range as it sits, not the $50K range.

 

I also agree with the appraiser remarks, I've bought a few cars that had appraisals with them, and I totally ignore them as a buyer.  I know there are reputable appraisers out there, but the only reason I'd ever hire one is if my insurance company demanded it.  We have one local "appraiser" whose first question is always "how much do you need it appraised for?".  This is an incorrect question, not the least reason being the stranded preposition at it's end.  Again, my opinion, but you're paying a fellow to tell you how much your car is worth, he surely doesn't want to appraise it on the low end and offend you, so he tends to go to the high end of the scale for a "feel good" appraisal.

 

Speaking of pricing, some price guides are useless too.  Online, the NADA price guide shows your car in the $18K range, which is low for sure in today's market.

 

Nice car, hope you find it a good home and it gets used well!

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edinmass    274

trimacar- AKA- David is 100 percent spot on. When I first saw the car listed for sale I  immediately knew the wheel treatment would make the car a very difficult sale, and I would not even consider selling the car in its present wheel paint configuration. Studebakers have a large following, but few bring big dollars. The truth of the matter is today it takes two things to sell a five or seven passenger sedan from a obscure make exceptional price and good condition. Fortunately you have a car in a desirable condition, the car will sell, once you arrive at its current market value. Remember not only do you need to consider what a Stude will bring, often for not much more money you can buy a more prestigious and deseriable brand for just a little bit more money. David's approximate price range is probably right where I would expect it to be. I would also expect the owner of the car has twice in it or more than he can expect to get out of it.

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alsancle    436
6 hours ago, trimacar said:

Speaking of pricing, some price guides are useless too.  Online, the NADA price guide shows your car in the $18K range, which is low for sure in today's market.

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1.  Agree on the white brake covers, might be able to improve quite a bit with maroon just on those.

2.  The green car above has 2 major advantages over the subject car,   1.  Its a club sedan not a open rear quarter sedan,  2.  Wires vs Wood spokes.

 

Generally agree with everybody's comments.

 

 

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I do not want to be rude, but it is the wooden wheels and rear mounted spare tire combined with not having the body tu-toned and pinstriped.  I can live with the blackwall tires, but overall very plain Jane. 

 

If I were to do anything, I would tu-tone the paint on the body and add a pinstripe in gold (or possibly cream) to match wheels - I would probably choose a complimentary maroon color for the tu-tone belt moldings (upper and possibly lower) as black would be too harsh.

 

I actually do not mind the cream brake drums. 

 

Second:  I assume that is a Junior or Senior AACA badge on the front license plate - it is a big deal, so make a big deal of it (very few people will ever achieve in their restorations).

 

A set of Trippe Lights may help as well and BrassWorks https://www.thebrassworks.net makes a nice wire weave stone guard for the radiator shell.  Also, I believe there is an optional radiator ornament that looks like a 1931 Cadillac Goddess.   

 

Perhaps also consider adding a Studebaker embroidered patch to the spare tire cover (I certainly like the black cover on it verses the open spare, but still very plain Jane). 

 

Sidenote:  Every wooden wheel car we have had, the first project is to find a set of wire wheels and/or at least sidemount fenders; and then a luggage rack, then sidemount mirrors, and then if I can find them sidemount tire covers (I call it protecting my investment and I am always in a better position to find these parts than the next owner most likely will be).

 

Second sidenote:  If I were to just do one thing and the cheapest possible - I would add a gold pinstripe to the body and if I had a little more pocket change I would add a same gold color stripe on the wooden wheels.

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ols car dog    6

I was wondering if I was ever going to get any opinions;been a while.

Thanks for your comments

First,the wheels are cream colored not white.

I thought about body color for the wheels, but it seemed too dark for the black wall tires.

I did a pinstripe test with cream and red,every one that looked preferred red...

I wish it was a wire wheel car BUTS It's NOT..

Please refer to classiccars .com link,the pictures are much better there.

The other link is for Pick of the day.

Ad states that the Studebaker won a A.A.C.A. FIRST JUNIOR in 2014 in Tenn,the A.A.C.A. SENIOR award was 

.awarded in Houma,La.in 2015.Both were on the first attempt.

Look at all 27 pictures in the ad to see all the work that was done

My original price is proving to be too high.I will be adjusting price;meanwhile I am open to reasonable offers.

Need to sleep on asking price,6 years work here.

Keep those comments coming.;they are very valuable to me.

 

Ken

 

PS:

Been waiting on pinstriper for 16 months,maybe he is on the way

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

k

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A good friend in Cincinnati had Studebaker's for years - including a 29 or 30 Commander Coupe, a 31 President Sedan, a 32 Four Seasons Roadster, and ......  They are nice cars.  One of the first President's I ever saw was in perhaps 1980, a 29 Seven Passenger sedan - it was in a dis-repaired tiny garage in Columbus OH - it was dark maroon (almost black) with black fenders and trim, black wire wheels (with sidemounts and ancient mismatched tires), red pinstripe, leather trimmed trunk, - it caught my eye. 

 

As mentioned - at the very minimum I would:

 

1. Pinstripe: Ask around at the motorcycle shops about your pinstripe options - you may have to take it to them (hard to get a house call in certain geographies) - it does take a while (several hours) for One Shot sign painters enamel to dry (ie best to trailer car if going to a pinstriper).   You could probably use 3M fine line tape to tape the lines and then paint your own stripe - will not be the same as hand drawn, but will be nice nevertheless (not easy - takes many hours and a lot of patience).  My gut feel on the stripe would be Gold - and Red would look good if you did not tu-tone.

 

2. Change the Red on the rear fender wells to Black  (looks awkward to see Red in the rear fender well when underside of car is all Black).  The photo of body in unrestored condition looks like fender wells were trimmed out to better match fenders as well.

 

3. Add back your spare tire cover and add on a Studebaker emblem http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-STUDABAKER-CAR-PATCH-/302270236850?hash=item4660b5c8b2:g:zkIAAOSwxH1T8RpE

 

4. Optional but harder= Tu-Tone body.   If I had the time and ...., I would certainly be adding a darker Maroon to the belt moldings to tu-tone.  The belt moldings are really attractive and just totally lost being monotone. Also, lack of tu-toning on body for some reason on this car makes the car loose proportion (looks more Model A Ford sized than Cadillac/Packard sized).

 

5. A set of Trippe Driving lights, a set of windwings, a stoneguard, or ... any one item would dress the car.  You could also sew up a lap robe for the robe rail and a set of pillows as well - If a Cadillac or Packard they are in the factory accessory brochure/list.

 

In the big CCCA picture, it is pretty hard to buy anything restored to an AACA or CCCA prize winning level for 47K (and when you do it is older done and often toured with or is a Cadillac or Packard sedan of late 30's/40's vintage).  That being said, on day one there was a hierarchy of sedans - close coupled probably first, then any style sedan with 6 wires with sidemonts, 5 wires with a sidemount, 6 woods with sidemounts, 5 woods with a sidemount, and probably last comes  5 woods with a rear-mount spare.  The car need not be painted or accessorized like a circus wagon, but I think you are loosing sales as it is too "plain Jane."

 

Also, advertise in CCCA and Hemmings too. 

 

By the way:  We apply a lot of strategy via  www.significantcars.com - sending plenty of cars out for changes in wheel color, tires changes, pinstriping, adding driving lights, and .... - sometimes we are fortunate to have owners capable/interested and other times trying to maximize the dollar value for an estate. 

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alsancle    436

John,  ok with most of your suggestions although asking someone to spend money on something that they are trying to sell is risky.  For example, every car I buy I get the trippe lights off within 24 hours and either give them to a friend with less taste than me or unload them at Hershey.

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edinmass    274

I would NOT two tone this car. As it already is. The wheel and drums being very light significantly hurt the car. A tastefully done stripe is fine. A cover on the rear spare is also a nice touch. Some people won't buy a car from this era without the dual mounts.  Any change to make the car more eye appealing. 

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Hudsy Wudsy    141

The gentlemen that have shared their opinions with you are far more experienced and knowledgeable than I'll ever be. That doesn't mean that I'm without taste, however. I spent a successful career in the apparel industry. I'm afraid that my very first impression (and that's the important one) was that the wheels/hubs are nothing short of blinding and overwhelming. I think that if you did nothing else to the car, toning them down would make a tremendous difference in that ever important first impression. Remember, the potential buyer must first be able to envision himself as proudly owning and being seen in the car. Only after that will he move onto the part where he will ponder value and choose to buy. Perhaps the brake covers could be a utilitarian chassis black color and the wheels could be a dignified color that could also be picked up in a pinstripe?

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9 hours ago, alsancle said:

John,  ok with most of your suggestions although asking someone to spend money on something that they are trying to sell is risky.  For example, every car I buy I get the trippe lights off within 24 hours and either give them to a friend with less taste than me or unload them at Hershey.

 

Funny you can say that about Trippes as I actually have only put one set on a car and it was sometime in the early 1990's - they were on the car already and I changed them from Junior to Seniors (changed the backshells, levels, and emblems) - That was on a 1931 Packard 833 Sport Phaeton (interestingly a maroon body car with red fenders and trim - fairly well restored, but entirely assembled from the junk door of the workbench - I had to change literally every nut, bolt and screw).

 

I also have a set of Trippes untouched on a closet shelf for some 17 years (and I probably bought them when I was 16 in 1979).

 

I have put on plenty of sets of Pilot Ray Driving Lights (pretty pricey for any car) and some GM driving lights, Packard driving lights, and Dietz, and Fog King Teleoptic .

 

My point only being:  How do you add some proportion to this car - it is a fairly big/large car and paint combination as it exists does not for some reason convey its size ? And, being a base equipment car is there a way to work around such ?

 

 

 

 

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alsancle    436

You are right about the proportions not being conveyed.  I'm not sure why. 

 

If I bought the car,  I think I would do the following:

 

1. Change the wheel and brake drum color. 

2.  Add a pin stripe

3.  Add the rear spare cover or maybe double the rear spare.

 

If I was selling the car,  I think I would just try #1, as when you are selling, putting money in to items that can be considered "taste" issues could be counter productive.

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