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jeff_a    52
On 12/7/2016 at 4:41 PM, v.milke said:

If I recall the story correctly, but you can surely elaborate, the guy that got the plane from your grandfather in the trade crashed it that same day or within a few days... luckily your Grandfather's car is still around and as you can see it is quite a car!

 

 

1926 Elcar 8-81 Landau Roadster, 1, Dave Sanders.JPG

1926 Elcar Landau Roadster, old pic (3).jpg

Victor,

   What a fantastic effort you have done making an inventory of all the Elcars known to you and organizing all of these photographs! Here are 2 more:

  • There is one I found for sale on ebay November, 2006(19_ _ 6-cyl. touring car, Condition 6, in Minot, ND, radiator emblem says "Elkhart Carriage & Motor Com." above rectangular "ELCAR" motif). I noticed the hood had backward-slash louvers. Only 2 illustrations in the coachbuilt.com site match this hood design, the Elcar "Sportster", introduced in May, 1918. The ND car photos were from hotrodgarage.net, the seller.
  • I saw in an ad for the Morris Blomgren Estate farm auction on 9/9/10("1918 Elcar Model D4 ser# 15645 engine", _-cyl. touring car, Condition 5, in Siren, WI). Vertical hood louvers. I sent info for both to the Elcar Museum and still have printouts of the ads. 

 

   While the 2 photos above are of very similar cars, they seem to be different models, model years & colors. The hood ornaments and headlights vary, too. By the way, I saw an Elcar Knight Rook radiator mascot for sale on ebay today for $849. The photo of this white car is one I have the original of. I sent a copy to the museum owner about 2010, also. It is a 1954 photo Glenn got from someone in Paris, Kentucky, maybe a car my grandpa was thinking of buying. On the back of the picture it says it's a 1927 Model 8-90 Elcar, Car Serial# A6S30, Engine Serial# 19207. No idea who the owners were.

   I never heard about the plane crash from my grand-dad, but he mentioned the plane sometimes and how well it flew. There are some stories about it crashing the day after the car and the aircraft were traded, but I don't know the details, except it was a Travel Air(Lloyd Stearman, Walter Beech and Clyde Cessna built their first one 45 miles away in Wichita during 1924). ----Jeff

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jeff_a    52

>Re: the 140 HP Model 140 Elcar some of us were discussing before, I was looking at The Standard Catalog, and there may have only 3 built. I don't think that car shows around the country are going to be overwhelmed with them. The 140 HP Model 130s....I have no idea how many were made. Maybe the Elcar-Pratt book will say (I ordered one). Total Elcar production, 1930-1931, was 1,011, the Mod. 130 being one of 7 available those years. 

 

>The '28 Elcar Sedan in Indiana, with the straight-eight Lycoming motor, that John Mereness brought up sold for $7,085 today. Photos on Victor's Post# 56 above.

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v.milke    12
On 7/12/2016 at 10:56 PM, jeff_a said:

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   While the 2 photos above are of very similar cars, they seem to be different models, model years & colors. The hood ornaments and headlights vary, too. By the way, I saw an Elcar Knight Rook radiator mascot for sale on ebay today for $849. The photo of this white car is one I have the original of. I sent a copy to the museum owner about 2010, also. It is a 1954 photo Glenn got from someone in Paris, Kentucky, maybe a car my grandpa was thinking of buying. On the back of the picture it says it's a 1927 Model 8-90 Elcar, Car Serial# A6S30, Engine Serial# 19207. No idea who the owners were.

   I never heard about the plane crash from my grand-dad, but he mentioned the plane sometimes and how well it flew. There are some stories about it crashing the day after the car and the aircraft were traded, but I don't know the details, except it was a Travel Air(Lloyd Stearman, Walter Beech and Clyde Cessna built their first one 45 miles away in Wichita during 1924). ----Jeff

 

Jeff: Sorry for my late response but I was trying to check on my info. Yes, you are right and the white and blue cars are different... I stand corrected! The blue car, your grandfather's, had incorrect headlights in the old picture and also on the color pics showing it two tone blue, and you can see on the restored pics, now black and silver, it does have now the correct headlights and emblem.... or could it be i am still confused and it is the white car now restored? Mmmmmmm.... 

 

Anybody interested in the marque should get the book mentioned: "Elcar and Pratt Automobiles, The complete history" by William S. Locke.

 

About these two cars, Bill Locke's book mentions the following stories: 

 

The two tone blue car... your grandfather's...

"Serial no. 39511

Elcar 8-81 - 1926 

Glenn Brown of Hutchinson, Kansas, traded his airplane for this Landau Roadster when it was almost new and kept it for 60 years. The car's original owner wrecked the plane the day of the trade. He was not seriously hurt but was unhappy about having traded his car. It is currently on display in the collection of the Reno County Historical Society in Hutchinson".

 

About the white one, using your numbers as stated behind the pic, the books says: 

"Serial no. A6S30

Elcar 8-90 - 1927

One of the cars that remained unsold at the Cutter Agency after World War II. This Landau was used to pay an agency debt and then was bought by the author in 1950 with 13,000 total miles registered."

 

So, again, my apologies but there are two different cars and I am confused now as to which is which... I will try to check with Bill Locke... he will surely be able to solve my doubts.

 

victor

 

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jeff_a    52
On 12/7/2016 at 6:05 PM, v.milke said:

No more Elcar survivors that I may know about...

Victor,

There is a youtube video of a bright red restored 7-Pass. Phaeton with wood wheels and dual sidemounts. Videos taken in 2015 and 2016 {Search "233.1  1930 Elcar Sedan"}. I think it may be a Model 75 Elcar with a Lycoming Six. Not much text, probably foreign(a sign in the back says "Museo Anthropologia"). Another video says it's the only one in Europe. Both produced by artsvalua.com.

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DLynskey    29

There was a late twenties Elcar coupe or cabriolet in Chattanooga, TN in the early 60's.  It had the RR style radiator shell. I used to have photos but can't find them now. Any idea where it is now?

 

Don

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v.milke    12

It would appear the red phaeton is in Barcelona, Spain, as Artsvalua is a spanish site, and the sign "museo de antropología" is in Spanish: Anthropology museum. 

 

Nice car and the only "newer" Elcar I have "seen" other than the one at the Bjern Auto Museum.

1930 Elcar 75 A, Touring, rojo, España, 2.jpg

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jeff_a    52

I thought you'd like that Elcar in Spain. Are you saying you'd walk across the street to look at it, if it were in your town? Thank you for tracking down the country it's in. Was someone being inventive with the hubcaps with the big "E" on them -- or did Elcar use some like that?

 

I got a copy of William Locke's book on Elcar and Pratt and el coche rojo does not seem to be in it. Like many other distinctively different American makes which weren't "cars for the masses"(Gardner, Peerless, Marmon, Rickenbacker, Cole, Jordan), it would be fun to take this Elcar to a car show with the radiator badge obscured and see what peoples guesses were re: brand.

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jeff_a    52

The car sold half a year ago and the dollar translation is $31,827, it says on the auction link. My reading of it has it in the Canary Islands when sold, but who knows where it is now? I have read of a lot of antique car activity in the Canary Islands and Tenerife before. I see on some of your photos that the blue 1929 Model 75 Sedan has the same hubcaps with the big "E"...and the same hood sides...as the red 1930.

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jeff_a    52

The January 2017 Hemmings Classic Car has a 6-page article about Elcar automobiles(also Pratt-Elkart and Pratt) with 18 photos. The excellent story by columnist Pat Foster mentioned that the high point in sales was 1919 with 4,000 cars, and that the Model 130 with 130-inch wheelbase, 4-speed transmission & 140 horsepower engine came out in 1930.

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