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I will let Victor know he needs to chime in on this thread with some pictures of an Elcar.  Jeff - my apologies for going off topic but you started it :).

 

 I think Ed is right.  The Model J was more like 220-250 and not 270.  There were a  lot of shenanigans with those HP numbers and a company going under like Elcar would have nothing to lose.

 

My BB Stutz engine is full race courtesy of Ed's buddy and we should have it on the dyno next year.  We are hopping for 170hp, but that is with 4 Winfields, 7-1, ported, polished, 4 inch header, etc.

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Thank you A.J. Yes, I own the remains of an Elcar... originally identical to the one in the very first post. A seven seater, model 8-81, from 1926.

 

I know nothing of it's history but it was down here in Mexico, together with a touring car which curiously had the inmediately prior serial number. The Touring car was destroyed and I only saw a few bits from it. Here is a pic of both cars, as found in the early 80's by Jaime Cuevas (unkown to me), who sent the picture to Bill Locke (the Elcar historian and expert who has a great book on Elcars!), who facilitated it to me... and then some other pics also taken by him at later dates. If you look closely, you can see the deterioration process thoughout the years... ;-(

 

The car sat there abandoned for years and was then bought by a collector who restored the engine but passed away. At this point, the remains of the body are fully deteriorated, to the point of making it non restorable (IMHO). Luckily, fenders, hood and cowl are still usable, so I will most likely make a copy of a Cantrell Suburban Woody for which I already have drawings and many pics. 

 

Quite frankly, I am not sure Elcar ever sold chassises to body builders, but as a medium priced car of good quality, I assume they would have, so in that sense I would not be doing a 'very' incorrect car, and it is a way of saving one of the few remaining Elcar chassis around.

 

I need to run now, but will later post pics of a good number of the surviving Elcars known to me.

 

Victor

 

 

00, 1926 Elcar 8-81, foto Jaime Cuevas de 1984, 1.jpg

00, 1926 Elcar 8-81, foto Jaime Cuevas de 1984, 2.jpg

00, 1926 Elcar 8-81, foto Jaime Cuevas de 1984, 3.jpg

00, 1926 Elcar 8-81, foto Jaime Cuevas de 1984, 9.jpg

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8 hours ago, alsancle said:

I will let Victor know he needs to chime in on this thread with some pictures of an Elcar.  Jeff - my apologies for going off topic but you started it :).

 

 I think Ed is right.  The Model J was more like 220-250 and not 270.  There were a  lot of shenanigans with those HP numbers and a company going under like Elcar would have nothing to lose.

 

My BB Stutz engine is full race courtesy of Ed's buddy and we should have it on the dyno next year.  We are hopping for 170hp, but that is with 4 Winfields, 7-1, ported, polished, 4 inch header, etc.

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Thank you for the photos Victor. Interesting to hear the story of your car. I remember discussing your Elcar and my Grandfather's Elcar a few years ago here on the AACA forums. His was a '26 Landau Roadster that was dark blue and turquoise...now in the Elcar Museum.

 

I looked on the forum search feature and see there are 9 pages of posts with the word Elcar, going back to 2001. Most of them are from people trying to sell parts and listing all the makes they fit, but a few are better. On a thread about how there are cars with funny names, one guy said Elcar is Spanish for car(?). Someone in Finland(2002) wrote in saying he has a 4-cyl. engine from an Elcar and knew the name of the Elcar importer in Tampere, Finland.

 

 ----Jeff Brown, Salmon, Idaho  

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The compression will make a big difference, the fuel won't. If you recurv the distributor, increase compression and swept volume, and trick out the carburation a ten percent to fifteen percent increase in horsepower is doable, if the motor can hang together. Many will also go to inserts when hot rodding the motor. I haven't put inserts in my motors, but I don't have an issue with it. Ed.

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Here's Glenn D. Brown's '26 Elcar 8-81 Landau Roadster about 1930 in Kansas somewhere. He traded a Travel Air biplane for it when the Elcar was near-new. Photo by my Grandfather Brown. L to R: in the leather aviator cap, my Dad, Bernard; my Aunt Geneva; and my Grandmother Brown.

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But it used to be two tone blue... and white before that!

 

If I recall the story correctly, but you can surely elaborate, the guy that got the plane from your grandfather in the trade crashed it that same day or within a few days... luckily your Grandfather's car is still around and as you can see it is quite a car!

 

 

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Two forum users talking about Elcars they have:

  1.  "hoppy172" (2012)...a 1928 Sedan in Indiana, probably the one for sale on ebay now 
  2. "Tassie 1"...a 1925 8-80 Touring Car in Tasmania, Australia(formerly Peter Taylor's)

 

Victor and I had a discussion about the top here 7 or 8 years ago(Gen Disc., "Elcar information or parts?", 1/28/09-12/12/10) re: when Glenn D. Brown was restoring it in 1972. It was restored a second time by someone else. Here's a picture Victor sent me of the 1926 Elcar some time ago of what it looked like when at a Gilmore Car Museum show in Michigan in 2012(I recognize the Pierce-Arrow and CCCA Museums in the background): 

 

 

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To add up to the discussion of Elcars...

 

I guess you could sum it up by saying Elcar is one of those brands to which history has played a bad joke on… too few survivors out of decent production rates. Why? No idea. They were clearly good cars, medium priced and I have read about their good engineering. Besides the powerful engine mentioned, and some important experiments with valves, Elcar had important advances in suspensions, or things like carburators in which you could adjust the mixture from the dashboard, supposedly to get a leaner mixture and use less gas once on the open road. My car has such "Swan" carburator. But my memory is not great and my mechanical knowledge almost non-existant. For anyone real interested, William (Bill) S. Locke can be called the marque's historian and has a great book on them: "Elcar and Pratt Automobiles: The Complete History"...  (no wonder he is admitted into the Automotive hall of fame, or something like that I believe it is called). In his book, Bill even lists all known survivors, down to serial number plates. Bill is a great guy. I visited him at his Florida home and learned a lot about Elcars.

He also owned many of the surviving cars that eventually got sold to another collector in Indiana, who has a private museum just outside of Elkhart, for the cars and for his pedal car collection. He is almost entirely into Elcars and has over a handful of them. I visited him and I took many pics. Very nice guy but I am reserving his name as I couldn't find him on the internet on a quick search and he might prefer to keep his privacy... but to anyone real interested, drop me a line directly and I will give you his contact information.

 

Anyhow... I offered to post pics of the Elcars known to me, either that I have personally seen them or that I have gotten their pics on the net or via friends. I will do so from old to new...

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