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I have never understood how they got the price of that car up to 30k other than filling the gas tank with gold.   Ugly.  No wonder the Iranian's hate us.  We were sticking it to them 80 years ago.

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A better looking Brunn Pierce on the same chassis I think.  Ed, did this survive?

 

The identical body was put on a Sterns Knight and that did survive.

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The Brunn is NOT ugly. I would own it. Can you notice what is unique about that particular car? It's very unusual, and you can see it in all the photos. Also, there is an accessory that is very large and expensive, but is not shown in the photo, related to what is unique about this car I have never seen on ANY other CCCA Classic.

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18 minutes ago, edinmass said:

The Brunn is NOT ugly. I would own it. Can you notice what is unique about that particular car? It's very unusual, and you can see it in all the photos. Also, there is an accessory that is very large and expensive, but is not shown in the photo, related to what is unique about this car I have never seen on ANY other CCCA Classic.

 

The three foot tall windshield?

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No.......where did they carry the spare? A beer on me at Hotel Hershey next year for the first person so correctly explains how they carried the spare tire.........details please!  Yes, I know how they did it.

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Thanks for the clue , Ed ! Well , the people I know of who have UNLIMITED money have little "tenders". Some of their fleet are so large that they can not put in to any number of delightful places , e.g. : Marbella , Spain. Hey , if you are for real , you gotta be doing the Marbella thing. Right ? So you have a little "tender" to shadow , like maybe your 456 footer like Larry has , or perhaps like Paul's 416' or 301'. I don't think either of these can be accommodated by the "stern to" facilities at Marbella. Much less the 500'+ yachts which are starting to appear , separating , as it were , the paddlers from the piddlers. Paul has a micro yacht which I guess could be deployed as a tender. It is up in the 200s. The "tenders" I know of are in the 250' - 275' range , like the "Golden Shadow" , built by some folks I know in one of their shipyards in Chile. Shallower in draft , access is allowed to small ports and coves , and many of the "toys" are transported aboard the "tenders". This being the way the "Gigabux" crowd I am familiar with roll , my guess is "tender". Must I pick a make ? One guess ("C" standing for Cadillac) , would be Cadillac. They had a good reputation for reliability across the Middle East. We all know the stories of the 1924 Cads running between Beirut , Damascus and Baghdad. Occasionally they were called upon to continue on to Tehran. Perhaps their legendary feats gained the attention of the Peacock Throne. Here's to your health , Ed ! (My fleet consists of some very good canoes. A highly deteriorated former paddler , I think it is time to flog 'em for gas money) -  C Carl

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YES!!!!!!! There was a chase car. And as the Sha had very good taste .......... he had another Pierce Arrow. A Series 133 Dual Cowl Phaeton. I have a hard copy photo of it somewhere. They followed up the Pierce Arrows with a bunch of Buicks, most were cut into trucks, or built that way, I am not sure. When you look at power to weight ratio, it was very difficult to beat a Buick. Maybe they ran cooler in the dessert than other cars? It would be interesting to hear from someone who has run 20's and 30's cars in the Middle East.

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The photo of that travel trailer woke up some old memories. At one time "JB" would drive around in his Pierce, towing a Pierce trailer.  Brought it to our Grand Classic in Santa Barbara one year.  Would not be surprised if it is still in the Nethercutt Museum (Sylmar, Calif. )

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The pictured Travelodge is a Model A (19 foot can, identified by two roof vents) but has a tri-tone paint job and what appear to be 1936 Buick fender mounted parking lights as front running lights (not from the Pierce factory).  I had a one-hour conversation about ten years ago with the gent who found that photo among his late mother's effects. The photo was taken in Litchfield, IL, where the tall chimney still stood at the time of our conversation. His mother was one of the young women in the photo.

 

The Nethercutt Model A is similar but is not stock.  I crawled over and under it ten years ago with the permission of the then-curator. The Nethercutt Model A has a dropped Pierce front axle (about a 6-inch drop), presumably so they could fit Pierce auto wheels and hubcaps; accordingly, that trailer stands 6-8" taller than a stock Travelodge.  The Nethercutt trailer also has  a period Servel refrigerator and a darker, glossier (lacquer?) interior wood finish than stock which photographs beautifully but becomes oppressive after one has spent five minutes in the trailer. Stock Travelodges had independent suspension with NO axle--tubular leading arm and a 1/4-elliptic spring as a traling arm, making them tow beautifully without lurching, even over diagonal railroad tracks.

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Oh, showing Pierce ice boxes, too?  Here's mine, smaller than Ed's but I like it, took delivery at Hershey! Dates to 1880-90, before George N. Pierce started making bicycles.

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I hear you.  At 200/tire plus it adds up quick with dual sidemounts.   Give us some driving impressions for the three cars. 

 

Ed,  is Kirk's 1242 basically the same as the salt flats car?

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The 1932 car was a true Roadster, no windows. The 1933 car is the same, see the photos, the windows are clear. Notice the signature  of the driver on the door. Maybe we ca get Kirk to cut down his car like the Salt Flats car, and then he can put black walls on it. I'll kick in for the speed parts, as I have them on the shelf. Photo enclosed.

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On 10/14/2016 at 8:20 PM, K8096 said:

This photo postcard advertising the subject car for sale was sent to my dad in October 1984.  Perhaps Ed can tell us where this car is today.   

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I think I've seen other postcard views of antique cars in front of this building. Is it Case Western Reserve, or the Crawford Museum?

 

Since this new thread has pictures of Pierce ice boxes from the Victorian Era, I can't resist asking about another early product. How many 1-cylinder De Dion Bouton-engined Pierces are still around? I've seen one Pierce Motorette in the Pierce-Arrow Museum at Gilmore, and have seen photos of a couple more in the London-To-Brighton Run. Only one Peerless 1-cylinder Motorette has made it to recent times, last seen at Hershey about 1958. Thank you.

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Rats, when you said "Victorian Era" I thought you were going to ask about bird cages.  Geo. N. Pierce made bird cages early on, and while apparently no cage has his name on it, the glass food and water feeders did.  The ones in my Pierce memorabilia collection are dated 1874, cast in the glass along with his name.

 

Right now, there is 1 Motorette and there are 9 Stanhopes listed in the Pierce Arrow Society roster.

 

The Motorette of 1901-02 had the Dedion-Bouton engine.

 

The Stanhope of 1903-04 had a Pierce manufactured engine, although from pictures I've seen, while not identical, it appears to be a copy of the DeDion-Bouton design.  I've not studied them closely, and perhaps someone more familiar with them could clarify that.

 

There's a Stanhope in the Rhinebeck Aerodrome museum, I don't believe it's in the roster.  The car in the Pierce Arrow museum at Gilmore is a 1903 Stanhope.

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