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31 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:
31 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:

You're obeying the law, that's an unassailable position.

 

 

I'll agree there but "speed" is only one aspect of poor driving habits.  Take my examples above and more.  More than speed causes accidents, even deaths.

 

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4 minutes ago, BillhymerMD said:

Speed is the not main problem.  The problem is most people today are distracted.  The smart phone is the main culprit but eating a double quarter pounder and fries while flying down the road at 80 mph doesn't help either.  I don't think making people take tests more frequently will make roads safer ...the distraction factor is going to be there.  The good news is that cars are so much safer today then they were even 10 years ago, and they'll be driving themselves soon enough anyway.  But for those of us driving our classics we will always have to be vigilant as hell.  

 

Bill, just made a comment that "speed" is not the only factor and yes, with people who are totally obsessed with their phones only grows, so does that aspect of the equation.  There are so many other things daily drivers around town do that causes accidents and deaths because of their being dumbasses.  Will taking tests help?  It can't hurt because either you remember the rules and pass the test or loose your license because you don't.  People who get ticketed will often have to take classes.  The only difference is that one person got caught breaking the rules, the other didn't... yet.   But why put other people's lives at risk because of your ignorance?  That is the point I am trying to make.

 

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X Frame, take a trip to where I live, Long Island, NY, "the Land of Entitlement". I had a cousin visit from New Mexico and said that she never saw so many Mercedes, Range Rovers and BMW's. They speed, park where they want and have no concern for you or your safety. If you try to drive the speed limit they pull up to your rear bumper and flash their brights. Double park and park in handicapped spots is normal. A $50 parking ticket to them is nothing.

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5 minutes ago, 46 woodie said:

X Frame, take a trip to where I live, Long Island, NY, "the Land of Entitlement". I had a cousin visit from New Mexico and said that she never saw so many Mercedes, Range Rovers and BMW's. They speed, park where they want and have no concern for you or your safety. If you try to drive the speed limit they pull up to your rear bumper and flash their brights. Double park and park in handicapped spots is normal. A $50 parking ticket to them is nothing.

 

"the Land of Entitlement" goes hand-in-hand with one of my earlier statements about Generation X and Millennials who have no social skills.  When I grew up we were disciplined.  Today you end up in jail if you do which leads to kids that feel "entitled" and flows over to the "all about me" society.  I am not here to talk about parenting but just saying....

 

On a side note, there was two local news stories about companies who have 80% Millennial employees because they can get their skills cheap out the starting gate.  One concern was would they stay focus to work?  In their defense they said they would but also have things like ping pong tables, bean bag chairs, etc...  no "formal" skills to be in the "real" world but gives them an environment they are familiar with which is detached from it.  It is these cheap upstarts hurting senior workers, like me.

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Sounds like a longing for the good old days when everyone obeyed the law, mom stayed home and baked apple pies, there were no drugs, sex, rock and roll, and everyone did the right thing. Good luck with that. Adapt or go the way of T-Rex................

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The point of all of this is why have rules and not use them?  That is only one step away from anarchy.  Also, rules are in place to keep everyone safe, if they are followed.

 

Maybe there is a longing for the "good ol' days" but what is so "great" about today's dysfunctional antisocial society?  And no, social media does not count as being "social". 

 

Education.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Bhigdog said:

On an interstate the most accident causing drivers are the ones who go the speed limit or below, try to stay 10 lengths behind the car in front, refuse to keep right because they are already going the speed limit, DAMMIT,  and so should everyone else, and are all befuddled and incensed because other drivers are not blindly adhering to one size fits all rules, etc etc etc. IMO the best and safest drivers are the ones who blend in the best and go with the flow........Bob

 I think so too, and sometimes depending on where your location is the slow driver creates the road rage. Do that in some parts of town and you can get shot.

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27 minutes ago, X-Frame said:

The point of all of this is why have rules and not use them?  That is only one step away from anarchy.  Also, rules are in place to keep everyone safe, if they are followed.

 

Maybe there is a longing for the "good ol' days" but what is so "great" about today's dysfunctional antisocial society?  And no, social media does not count as being "social". 

 

Education.

 

 

 

Rules, laws and regulations are sometimes outdated, counter productive and were enacted with an ulterior agenda (red light cameras). Rather than blindly submitting  many choose to follow reason rather than  regulation, hence traffic flowing along safely with the majority doing 65 to 70 in a 55.

BTW. I also long for the "good old days" even though I suspect they were no "gooder" then than they are now, just different................Bob

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7 hours ago, X-Frame said:

The point of all of this is why have rules and not use them?  That is only one step away from anarchy.  Also, rules are in place to keep everyone safe, if they are followed.

 

Maybe there is a longing for the "good ol' days" but what is so "great" about today's dysfunctional antisocial society?  And no, social media does not count as being "social". 

 

Education.

 

 

Having passed a driving test proves you know the rules of the road. Most people who are issued a citation know very good and well what they did was wrong-I said most. Rules are broken all the time and the most disturbing thing is kids see it and think it's OK.

  Simple rules like taking a dog into a supermarket or restaurant pretending the dog is a service animal, a dog in a drivers lap while driving a car. Throwing trash in the street etc. I'm sure if you gave these people a test they could all pass a test. Cheating on your taxes, cheating on your wife or husband, I'm sure most people could have passed the morality test, but it still happens test or no. How many people think there should be a hygiene test before you enter a restroom? Many people know good hygiene, but how many people do you see not washing their hands after taking a trip to the rest room? 

Anarchy? We are almost there, we are a fraction of the way away. Have a financial meltdown and any civility will be gone.

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I agree that it would not hurt to take a written test every 10 years.  If a resident of the USA, all tests should be in English.  Drivers' licenses should not be issued to those who are in the USA illegally. 

 

I live in Florida, where most secondary rural roads have speed limits of 55 mph, and some have limits as high as 60 mph.  Certain rural 4 lane divided highways (not limited access) have speed limits as high as 65 mph.  I tend to go the speed limit +5 mph and am especially careful to keep my speed up on narrow two lane roads where passing opportunities are limited.  Most of our interstates have a speed limit of 70 mph, and I usually run at around 75 mph. 

 

When towing my travel trailer or box trailer, I try to maintain the 55 mph speed limit on two lane roads having limited passing opportunities; however on the Interstate (or Florida Turnpike) where the speed limit is 70 mph, I usually go along at 68 mph (IN THE RIGHT LANE).  I've noticed that at 68 mph on a 70 mph Interstate, about 80% of the traffic passes me, and I wind up passing 10-15% of the rest.  Of course, I'll bump my speed up to 75 mph or so to clear the left lane as quickly as I can. The remaining 5% are those going close to my speed, and I'll usually just follow them at a comfortable distance.  Another benefit of going about 68 mph on the Interstate is that you can be much more relaxed.

 

As for those who ride the left (fast) lane blocking faster traffic, may your grits turn to cement and your beer go flat!

 

Just my opinion.

 

Drive safely,

Grog

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Anybody ever see the white sign that says "Keep Right Except to Pass"?   It does not say "unless you are going the speed limit.".

Anybody ever see the white sign that says "Slower Traffic Keep Right".?    It does not say "unless you are going the speed limit."

White signs are LAW, Yellow signs are cautionary and suggested limits.

Ever been passed on the right by somebody driving like a Pac Man Game.?

I have never seen a sign that says "Obstruct Speeders" or "Run Barricades" 

Why does the person on the on ramp at 30 MPH never look to "Merge"?

Ever notice that the AH in city traffic who drives like an idiot, ends up beside you at the next light?

Why does the old guy in the left lane with his left turn signal on always turn right?

Why does the kid in front if you never see the light change to green?

If some fool cuts you off, why does he flip you a bird?

With so many concealed weapons permits, I'm glad my horn doesn't work.

It's a crazy world out there and my aim is to avoid accidents and live to drive another day.

 

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Apparently, none of you people ever drove in Rhode Island.  If you can drive here you pass the test to drive anywhere in the world!

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3 hours ago, 46 woodie said:

X Frame, take a trip to where I live, Long Island, NY, "the Land of Entitlement". I had a cousin visit from New Mexico and said that she never saw so many Mercedes, Range Rovers and BMW's. They speed, park where they want and have no concern for you or your safety. If you try to drive the speed limit they pull up to your rear bumper and flash their brights. Double park and park in handicapped spots is normal. A $50 parking ticket to them is nothing.

 I too reside on this overpopulated island, i have heard the same comments about the high end cars all over the place when people come to visit. (I am guilty of that myself, my wife always had a new Cadillac every 3 years), I never viewed owning a new luxury car as self entitlement, I always owned one because I can! But yes, it is "the land of self entitlement" for many reasons populated by a bunch of self absorbed (fill in the word). It has become so important to text or return a text as soon as they get one. Every time I stop at a traffic light I look around and notice 8 out of 10 drivers pick up their phones to do something on it, why? I am pretty sure that not everyone has something that urgent going on in their life. I drive the I-95 corridor from NY to FL 4 times a year, truck drivers seem to be the biggest offenders to using cell phones while driving.

   

I hate to drive around here, as a matter of fact I absolutely can not stand driving around here anymore. Maybe part is I have become a grumpy old man. I have a home in Florida and I am not big fan of driving there either. Turn signals are an option, and tailgating appears to be mandatory.

The roads were built in a time when each household had only one vehicle, now every person in every house has their own vehicle, this is pretty much the case everywhere, way too much cars on the road, The roads are pounded to death here. You can not drive more then 50' without feeling a thud or a bang from the under repaired over used roads. Hard to believe that I live in one of the top 10 highest taxed counties in the entire nation. The roads can never be repaired correctly because the volume will not allow for them to be shut down for the time required to do so.

When 2001 A Space Odyssey came out I like everyone else did not understand it. Instead of depending on "Hal" we have created a generation that has become dependent to their cell phone. When we were 3-5 years old we were given toy cars, trucks and planes, My 3 year old granddaughter has a toy cell phone. I know I am ranting about cell phones, but they have become a big problem on the road. 

I had a 31 Chevrolet that I sold because we almost got broadsided by someone in a BMW on a cell phone. Everytime I used hand signals to turn people thought I was waving at them, sometimes worse.

Great topic X frame, you allowed me to vent, thank-you

 

By the way double parking is a greater NY phenomenon, sort of a way of life

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Well my oldest car is probably also the fastest but the last time it drove over the limit was on a race track. It also has new radials and enough suspension and braking improvements to be a restomod. I consider all to be safe at 70+ because they are maintained that way

 

I value Michelins in the rain, ABS, and TC. In fact the Judge is the only one that does not have ABS (but has disk brakes) and I keep all working properly.

 

Am also Scots and know what happens to mpg at speed so the 70 mph speed limit is fine (65 if pulling a trailer) and I generally stay in the right lane

 

But the drivers that scare me the most are not the texters or distracted drivers, I usually can spot those about a 1/4 mile away. It is called "situational awareness".

 

The ones that scare me the most living in the vacation capital of the world are the expert drivers from the UK, Japan, Australia, and other RHD countries who trained instant reactions are wrong. They should all have flashing lights on their rental cars.

 

ps ALL my cars have "Hands Free" capability and that includes voice texting.

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You are NOT alone ... but we are in the minority, I do believe, sadly.

 

The last few years, when I went out to just drive, I head west of town.  Slower pace, country roads, hardly anyone out there.  MUCH more enjoyable driving experience.  Bad part ... not too many people get to see the actual car ... LOL!  But, I can take that ... to just be able to enjoy the drive & not feel tense at all.

 

 

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I wonder if those who agree there should be a drivers test every ten years are people who agree that there should be periodic vehicle emission checks and safety inspections?

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1 hour ago, padgett said:

 

The ones that scare me the most living in the vacation capital of the world are the expert drivers from the UK, Japan, Australia, and other RHD countries who trained instant reactions are wrong. They should all have flashing lights on their rental cars.

 

 

Mr P's GS,
I was just thinking about this, how do you know if drivers are from a foreign country, or just bad drivers from another state on vacation? They all would be driving rental cars and those vehicles would have domestic tags.  Unless I was actually having a conversation with those drivers and detected an accent I would not be able to tell what country anyone resides in, and even then I would not know for sure, besides that can be pretty hard to do while driving in another car........  just curious how one can determine that?
 

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14 minutes ago, helfen said:

I wonder if those who agree there should be a drivers test every ten years are people who agree that there should be periodic vehicle emission checks and safety inspections?

 

I agree to both driver testing and more so safety checks then emission testing, but it is needed. In states with no inspections I have seen some real scarey stuff on the road

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11 minutes ago, John348 said:

 

I agree to both driver testing and more so safety checks then emission testing, but it is needed. In states with no inspections I have seen some real scarey stuff on the road

John, with all the cars I have I would go broke and be spending al lot of time at a inspection station. Most of the cars I have, have never been touched by anyone but me. Why should I pay anyone or agency to tell me anything I don't already know. As far as emission testing goes, any car with OBD2 should never be tested. The car tells you when it's out of compliance....It's just a money grab. 

Reminds me of a time when I was supposed to go to jury duty and I asked the judge to be excused because of a medical problem. The judge said for me to get a excuse from my doctor. I told the judge that if he did not trust me in telling the truth of my situation then how could he trust me to carry on as a juror. he let me go.

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The bottom line is that no matter what anyone wishes for the traffic is what it is and its always in a state of change. I have to adjust my driving depending on wether I'm in my old Buick, my motorcycle or a modern car, on a freeway or on a side street, it also depends on the time of day or night. I try to calculate the best time to drive the old car and the best routes. Many things make up that calculation. Rush hour traffic is no good if its hot out and the old Buick has to sit in traffic without moving, it will start to run hot. That is no concern in my modern car. If I'm out late at night here in Vegas there are many drivers driving under the influence of alcohol, the old Buick has old taillights that aren't bright so its best to keep off the streets at that time. My motorcycle is another vehicle that would be better not to be out at that time. There are just lots of things that effect driving each vehicle. 

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One of my pet peeves is the guy who is riding your A$$ as you approach a stop light. Do these people not look beyond the hood of there cars when they are driving? You can see a red light for quite a distance before you are at the light but for some reason people seem to want to be the first one to the light. They will pass you and give you a dirty look as to why you are slowing down. I will often roll my window down and congratulate them to winning the race to the red light!

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7 hours ago, helfen said:

I wonder if those who agree there should be a drivers test every ten years are people who agree that there should be periodic vehicle emission checks and safety inspections?

 

Inspections here in RI are a money grabbing scam like everything else here.  The profits with the license, inspections and registrations,  plus gas tax supposed to go for our roads and bridges.  If anyone wants to compare bad driving habits being dangerous,  try driving on our pathetic dangerous roads!  

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22 hours ago, helfen said:

How about this one;

My complaint. 2 lane each direction. Speed limit 75mph. Approaching a large hill or mountain pass. There is five of you in the fast lane doing between 75-80. In front and in the rt. lane or slow lane are two semi tractor trailers or more starting to make the grade and they are two city blocks in front of you. They obviously knew you were fast approaching because they had to have looked to see if there was traffic so they could pass. One truck will pull into the fast lane knowing that their speed is going to be reduced because of the grade. The truck they are passing comes up even to them and then they sit side by side all the way over the summit and ever so slowly the passing truck overtakes the other and ever so slowly moves over. The driver knew these cars were coming at a high rate of speed but just had to do a bit of blocking. I have seen it so bad sometimes that these trucks will stay in the fast lane so long that cars start passing on the rt. side out of frustration. Sometimes the truck drivers will then try and pinch these cars passing on the rt.
Happens every day out there.

 

These guys are out making a living. It is Obvious you have never driven a big rig.

Cars can get to what ever speed they want in a hurry, trucks cant.

You have to be patient with the professional driver and their big rigs. They are only trying to get your groceries to the store for you.

I doubt that they are messing with you as you describe, These rigs are difficult to see behind and its you guys that are in that big of a hurry that are causing the problem.

When you get clear go as fast as you want, I do.

I will bet you still got to where you were going.

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