100 YEAR OLD VEHICLE AWARD IN BCA

[Terry Wiegand]

In reading the latest Buick Club of America Board of Directors Minutes it is decidedly interesting that a proposal to honor any Buick vehicle that attends a national meet and is 100 years old or older was ALMOST 100% voted down.  What have I and others been saying on here for quite some time - the management of the BCA doesn't give a thin damn about the old models.

I personally find the words that our current president posted on the thread about suggestions for a better BCA really hollow.  I have my 100 year medallion from The Horseless Carriage Club of America for our 1916 D-45 and we will have the 100 year medallion from the AACA when we take the car to the next closest National Meet.  I have no desire to bring any of our Buicks to a BCA National Meet ever again because of the attitude of the management toward the 'OLD' models.  There you have it - short and sweet and stirred to perfection.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

Edited October 23, 2015 by MrEarl
edited to remove course language (see edit history)

[38Buick 80C]

Terry I also don't understand why the majority of the BOD chose to ignore 100 year old cars. AS a pre-war enthusiast, I personally find it disappointing. However you will find in the minutes on page 2 the following:

 

"9/27 : B. Clark: Please let the record show that I am disappointed by the lack of support for this motion. Pre-war cars, especially those now 100+ years old are the reason this club was created in 1966. We should be doing everything we can to promote them and get more of them to the National Meets."

 

Not sure if you saw this...

[NTX5467]

It MIGHT well be that the intent was NOT to snub the "older cars", BUT to not add another level of complexity to an already-complicated-to-orchestrate BCA National Meet.

 

I ALSO feel that some migh have forgotten a primary (at least to me) reason for the National Meet in the first place . . . To showcase ALL Buicks, regardless of model year . . . plus all of the social interactions and networking which can also be in the mix of such an annual  capstone event.​​

 

The cars in the 400 Point Judging are supposed to be the prime examples of the Marque, when that was the only judging that was done.  A "concours" that was not a "concours", so to speak, which even included "normal" Buicks as well as the more special Buicks.  But then, aren't ALL Buicks SPECIAL (to us)??!!  Perhaps all of the additional classes have devalued the 400 Point-judged class vehicles and WHY they are there in the first place?

 

In the past, I've suggested (probably not in the immediate past times) that there could be a separate area to showcase certain cars, as Senior Preservation Award cars (continuing their Senior Preservation status at the same time) or particular "Anniversary Year" cars, with the 100+ model year old vehicles possibly in that mix too.  I thought it might be pretty neat to see these cars in a separate area, rather than being "hidden" in the normal 400 Point class parking, but it appears that I was in the definite minority of that orientation.  Be that as it may.

 

I do know how difficult it can be to get vehicles parked on an acceptable show field, even without such showcase areas, so I can fully understand the desire to not add more complexity to an already complex situation.  ESPECIALLY when it comes time to investigate future BCA National Meet locations!!

 

I know that as I've aged, my priorities have also shifted as to what's really important and what I'd like to happen in the future.  One thing I've learned is that if you take the "I'll take my marbles and play somewhere else if you don't want to play like I want you to play" approach, and then do that, you can soon deplete the number of possible places to play, especially if no other player wants to follow you.  Playing by yourself is not good, all of the time.  Certainly, one can compete with one's self, which can yield "personal best" scores, but without real competition, such scores have no real point of reference.  Life experiences, especially CAR life experiences need to be SHARED with others.  "Playing with others" makes us all better at what we do, usually.  Then, when you continually "win" in the marble game, those wins really mean something.

 

Additionally, in a customer satisfaction orientation, WE must remember "Customers have choices".  The retailer who doesn't believe that might look up one day and see an empty sales floor (of customers).  Other retailers who are more willing to meet or exceed their customer base's needs, even feeding off of customers the other retailers have tended to shun in the process, will always do well.  No rocket science involved.

 

Maybe we'll all get "this" figured out someday!

 

Willis Bell  20811

[MCHinson]

I would hope that there is some reasonable explanation for the board's action. I would hope that they felt a need to better tie down the details and then approve a more detailed proposal. I can't say that the minutes make me think that is the case, but I do hope that in the future the board will bring it back and approve it. 

 

It is clear that other clubs have seen that programs to recognize "Century old" vehicles has increased their presence at meets. I don't own a 100 year old car but hopefully one day I will.  

[Larry Schramm]

Let's think about this for a minute...........

In order of the pictures below with the first three groups welcoming all makes and models of vehicles.

 

Complexity?????  I personally received the AACA medallion from the President of the AACA with  a thank you for bringing out a century old vehicle. 

 

How many possible 100 year old vehicles will ever attend a national meet?  Maybe two or three???

 

I personally have one century old vehicle now, a second one  will be added in '17 and then a 3rd in '18.

 

 

***************Is there any question where the focus is of the different groups?????

 

              AACA                                  HCCA                                  Flint Sloan Fall Show                   Buick Club of America

Edited October 22, 2015 by Larry Schramm (see edit history)

[Larry Schramm]

Terry I also don't understand why the majority of the BOD chose to ignore 100 year old cars. AS a pre-war enthusiast, I personally find it disappointing. However you will find in the minutes on page 2 the following:

 

"9/27 : B. Clark: Please let the record show that I am disappointed by the lack of support for this motion. Pre-war cars, especially those now 100+ years old are the reason this club was created in 1966. We should be doing everything we can to promote them and get more of them to the National Meets."

 

Not sure if you saw this...

 

Brian, The wood wheel guys (pre war) will eventually leave when the customer service of the club only caters to the newer vehicles. 

 

Like Willis states,    "Additionally, in a customer satisfaction orientation, WE must remember "Customers have choices".  The retailer who doesn't believe that might look up one day and see an empty sales floor (of customers).  Other retailers who are more willing to meet or exceed their customer base's needs, even feeding off of customers the other retailers have tended to shun in the process, will always do well.  No rocket science involved."

[Guest MrNova]

_{Does it cost any more or is it anymore difficult to bring a 100 year old car than it is a 75, 70, 60 year old car ? ?  If you are a BCA member and you have a 1914 you bring a 1914, if you have a 1953 you bring a 1953.  Not opposed to the idea but not sure it really would increase the number of Oldies, and could actually put off someone with a 90 year old car.} 

[Ben Bruce aka First Born]

  Getting to be a real "mad house" around here.

 

  Ben

[37_Roadmaster_C]

I think that a simple recognition of a century old car that is running and driving deserves the recognition.  The "award" could be as simple as a grill badge or a frameable certificate from the club.  It need not be an expensive item, just a simple recognition.  Remember, making it to the 100 year mark will most likely elude most of US.

 

Think about it...........................

 

R

[Terry Wiegand]

Brian, no, I did not see that.  I evidently did not get to everything that was posted.  Willis Bell claims that it is difficult to get the vehicles parked on the show field.  The meet chairman has a map of the show field, folks come to the registration desk to pick up their packet, they are given a map that identifies where their vehicle sets down, they put their vehicle in the slotted allocated for them and that is the end of the process.  How in the world is that difficult?  All this talk about how difficult things are is pure unadulterated garbage.  I just told you how to do it in one sentence and I am just a lowly toolmaker.  Oh! I forgot!  There are those who have an agenda to maintain that somehow makes them out to be the all-knowing important ones.  You are right Ben, this organization will drive a drunk to sobriety.  MrNova, you are going to have to explain how bringing a 100 year old vehicle might 'put off' an owner of a 90 year old vehicle.  I'm in the same company as Larry Schramm - we will have another 100 year old vehicle in 2020 and another one in 2022.  I don't know about you guys out there, but the thought of owning three automobiles that represent 300 years worth of history is way cool in my book.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

[NTX5467]

Mr. Weigand, I was NOT talking about just making a map, but how to incorporate your desired 100+ year old vehicle area into an existing show field in a manner in which YOU would approve of.  But, with your desired "Parking By Era" orientation AND the existing BCA Class structure, they already have a place on the show field.  So, by default, all of those vehicles receive a "show up" type of award?  Just as the Driven Class can receive a "show up" type of award for driving to the meet?  How many other "show up" type of awards might we also need to award participants? 

 

"Complexity"??  Yes, complexity.  ANYTHING added to (what I have termed for many years) an already big "circus" is just another something to deal with.  Another line on an awards list, which is an already long one.  Another line to be printed in "The Bugle", which can become troublesome to get the layout configured in a font size that we can read.   

 

Perhaps Mr. Taubitz's observation is spot on . . . too many people worried about "trophies" than about sharing their Buicks with others in a mutally-beneficial manner.  AND proud to do so!

 

OR . . . perhaps the BCA might need to finally do what other clubs have done, have "split" national meets.  Except in this case, the split would not be geographic but by model year?  That would allow ALL groups to grow from their current size and might also make national meet venue-finding a little easier.

 

Respectfully,

Willis Bell  20811

[Terry Wiegand]

Willis, I am not picking on you personally here, but, don't you think that you are over thinking things just a wee bit?  For cryin' out loud - how hard is it to put all of the registered vehicles at a meet in chronological order from the oldest to the newest on a show field.  We're not re-inventing the wheel here.  In my humble opinion you are trying so blasted hard to create a problem where there is no problem.  The real problem here is that guys like yourself DO NOT want to listen to what people are trying to say to you.  You're making it hard and that my friend is what takes the fun out of this whole mess.  Nobody, and I mean NOBODY from the management of this group wants to listen to what the membership wants.  It's gonna be their way or no way at all come hell or high water.  Please listen to me here - you and a lot of others are making things a whole lot harder than they need to be.  If you are offended by what I have said to you here, remember this - I AM AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OFFENDER!!

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

 

p.s.  -  Please spell my last name correctly.  It is WIEGAND.  I do get offended about that.

[NTX5467]

Mr. Wieband, obviously we've had different life experiences in the area of "thinking".  I respect that.

 

Over the years, in order to fix problems BEFORE they become problems, thinking "Three steps ahead of where I'm standing" has become normal for me.  Some, as you, consider that "over-thinking".  But, to me, it's "advance damage control".  And that's how my brain is wired.  Am I'm glad it is that way, too!  It has served me well in helping keep my workplace running smoothly and efficiently.

 

Willis Bell  20811

[MrEarl]

2:07 and 2:38 AM.... Jezze don't you's guys ever sleep?! And Willis that's Wiegand with a g, not a b

And for the record I think a Century Award would be a good thing and hate to see that it was brushed aside so quickly by the board

[Guest MrNova]

MrNova, you are going to have to explain how bringing a 100 year old vehicle might 'put off' an owner of a 90 year old vehicle.

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

 

Knowing how car people "want", that person with the 90 year old vehicle is going to be P/O'd that he didn't get something for bringing his 90 year old car which in his eyes is as important as that 100 year old car (and rightfully so)

 

As mentioned earlier, I am not opposed to such an award and let's face it, we are talking minuscule numbers as unfortunately we see less and less of these wonderful objects of history,(but I suspect the reason has nothing to do with getting or not getting a little thank you token)  just thinking of the thought process of many car owners that will belly ache if it's not all about them and their particular car.

 

I think I would be interested in a radiator badge that is awarded the first time they bring a 100 year old car and then a board the second time they bring it with a little award to attach, and then they get that little award to attach to the board each and every time they bring it after that.  Kind of like how Senior & Senior preservation works in the AACA and I believe the BCA as well. 

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by MrNova (see edit history)

[Ben Bruce aka First Born]

2:07 and 2:38 AM.... Jezze don't you's guys ever sleep?! And Willis that's Wiegand with a g, not a b

And for the record I think a Century Award would be a good thing and hate to see that it was brushed aside so quickly by the board

 

 

  Hey, Lamar, good to hear from you. Beginning to think you were on a long fishing trip.

 

  Ben

[Restorer32]

To the casual observer of these threads the BCA would certainly not appear to be a "fun" club to join. Can't you all just get along, at least in public?

[TxBuicks]

I, too, found it odd that the BOD voted this down.  Although I have never owned a pre-war car, I am fascinated by them.  And to see one 100 years old, running and driving, is truly amazing.  I agree completely with Roadmaster_37_C.  These cars deserve any special recognition we can give them.  I don't think recognizing 100 year old Buicks at a National Meet will be an incentive to bring more of them out.  I don't think the owners of 100 year old Buicks are in hot pursuit of awards.  The ones I've met seem to have the simple desire to show the rest of the world their wonderful vehicles, and a National Meet is a perfect place to show them.  We should be bending over backwards to welcome these cars and treat them and the owners as special guests. I recall the 2012 National Meet in Charlotte, where the decision was made to honor 1936-1938 Buicks.  They set aside a special place in the parking lot for them.  I remember the excitement I felt walking around them all. It was interesting to see them side-by-side and comparing the differences of the years and models.  And at the 2009 National Meet in Colorado, they celebrated the 50th Anniversary of the 1959 Buicks successfully.  Recognizing 100 year old Buicks at National Meets is not complex nor difficult, and should be reconsidered.  I will personally thank the owners of one when I see them.    

[Larry Schramm]

Roy,

Be sure you see me at Allentown. I will give you a ride in the truck. 

 

If it were not for the venue and some other places we are going out east, I would not be attending.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Larry Schramm (see edit history)

[Bill Stoneberg]

As one of the folks who voted against this motion in the form it was presented to the BOD, I did so not to slight the 100 year old cars but because of the work involved.  It was work not for the BOD but for the already overworked Judges and Judging Administration team. 

 

Read the original motion closely and you will see what I am saying.  If, it would have been like the drivers class award I might have had another take on it.

 

I think the old cars are great and I enjoy seeing them at the meets. Larry and Terry both brought them to Springfield and they were giving rides. 

[Terry Wiegand]

I like Ben jumpin' in here with his zingers.  I'm starting to think that he's about the only sane one of us on here sometimes.  I can sleep better tonight knowing that Lamar supports the idea of recognition of 100 year old vehicles at a national meet.  We are on solid ground now folks.  Willis, you need to try out a line of thinking that goes something like this - "If it ain't broke, don't go tryin' to fix it".  I worked for a guy in the aircraft business that I think you might be related to.  He was one of these people that is referred to as a 'Type A Personality'.  Things would be going along just fine and he couldn't stand that and leave things alone.  I'll just say this and leave it at that - I could not and would not work for or around you with the mindset that you project.  Let's get back to talking about old Buicks - that's a lot more funner!

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

[Larry Schramm]

As one of the folks who voted against this motion in the form it was presented to the BOD, I did so not to slight the 100 year old cars but because of the work involved.  It was work not for the BOD but for the already overworked Judges and Judging Administration team. 

 

Read the original motion closely and you will see what I am saying.  If, it would have been like the drivers class award I might have had another take on it.

 

I think the old cars are great and I enjoy seeing them at the meets. Larry and Terry both brought them to Springfield and they were giving rides. 

 

You will be seeing fewer of them in the future.

[38Buick 80C]

if we run away all the customers the judges ought to have it pretty darn easy...

[old-tank]

  Getting to be a real "mad house" around here.

 

  Ben

ad nauseam...

Same old group wanting to add to the workload of others, but doing nothing other than pontificating from their computer. 

[Brian_Heil]

Agree with Larry Schramm.  Just how many 100 year old vehicles does the B.O.D. expect?  I'm still grinning until I realize this is one more vote against getting more people / cars involved in the BCA.  (those dang PWD guys just don't give up do they?)  I have cars from the 50s and 60s too, I happen to enjoy the older PWD cars too since they are not as common.

 

Attended a free show in Flint a few weeks back (Golden Memories), Larry S. was there.  At this show they honored 50, 75 and 100 year old vehicles.  And guess what?  This nice recognition caused 50, 75 and 100 year old vehicles to attend.  How about that?  Great to see them out.

 

Out of one side of the mouth we hear 'what can we do to increase membership and attendance?'  Out of the otherside we hear 'No'.  And from long time, involved members like Mark Shaw, we hear 'no' when it comes to BCA renewal.  I believe there is a relationship.

 

Maybe that's the answer.  We have PWD recognition handed out by PWD folks.

 

I believe I'm the one who started the 100 Year Topic on the General Forum.  So it took a while but I got my answer.  Not going to give up yet.

[Fr. Buick]

Here here, I think it is a great idea.  These things are old and hard to come by, so let's give them a little honor and encouragement. 

 

My city of Orange does this for houses that turn 100 by way of a sign in the yard.  "Happy Birthday, I'm 100!" 

 

The city went out of its way for preservation, and if I understand it correctly, preservation is one of the purposes for this club, no?

 

No doubt, the good idea of one man is the work of another, but can this be easily done?

[Brian_Heil]

And sorry to cause you nausea Old Tank.  We were asked to provide ideas to increase membership, attendance and interest in the BCA and I did just that and as a result created some (in my opinion) good discussion.  It didn't go the way I wanted but I'm a big boy.

 

Take a peek at my signature, I'm involved and proud to be so.

[Terry Wiegand]

Mr. Stoneberg, I did go back and read the minutes again about the 100 year old recognition award proposal.  I'm sorry, but I did not find anything in there that pertained to judging of these vehicles or judging administration.  However, what I did read was that John De Fiore stated that the award would be given to a 100 year old vehicle regardless of what class it was entered in.  Brian Heil used the words that I wish I had thought of to use and they are - you people on the Board of Directors talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time and they are not always - I had better stop there.  In your opinion, myself and the fellow out in Pennsylvania (guy that sold his Reatta) are people that you have a very strong dislike for.  It should start to become obvious to you and the others on the BOD that a lot of folks are sick and tired of being treated the way they are.  This club should be based on fun, friendships, and enjoying Buick vehicles of ALL vintage.  You mentioned that Larry Schramm and myself were giving rides at Springfield.  We sure did and had a ton of fun doing it.  I didn't see anyone giving rides in a 1955 Buick though.  I'm just trying to find your point in your posting.  There are some that will say that this is not the place to air the dirty laundry.  I would normally agree with that thought, but, you folks on the BOD have your own private forum that the membership cannot view.  So, where else do we go to voice concerns about the mis-management of this organization? It is way past the time that you BCA management people get off your ego trips and get back to running a club that is inclusive of ALL Buick interests.  I will give you a perfect example of what I am talking about.  At the Springfield Meet Awards Banquet all of the BOD members were huddled together at several tables and God forbid they mingle with the members.  That sends a pretty strong message in my opinion.  Mr. Stoneberg, I know exactly where you stand on the award proposal.  You do not have to say one more word about it.  We all know.  This whole thing is just downright sad.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

[Bill Stoneberg]

I wont say a word cause Momma told me never to argue with folks....

 

See Ya...

[Brian_Heil]

Just had another thought (I know, how did it feel. Ha.).  Didn't the 1965 Skykark folks have a big turnout in Springfield for their 50th?  I no longer have my Bugle as I give them away to potential new members.  That's the sort of thing we need to be promoting.  What was the 1965 participation?  Triple a typical year?  How many connections were made, faces with names, phone numbers and email addresses exchanged?  That's what needs to be happening at 25/50/75/100.  Give people an extra reason to attend.  The other car clubs have shown it works, don't be too proud to steal their idea.

 

Mr. Nova, said it takes just as much work to get an old car to a meet as a newer one, to some extent that's true (my last 260 mile trip home in pouring rain still makes me wonder though).  How do we give people that extra reason to attend?  Venue ala Bulgari?  Yep.  Meet in your neck of the woods so we alternate around the country and not just stay in one area ala Portland/Springfield/ Penn?  Yep.  I see you are from Moundsville, WV.  Been there twice on tours with my 1923 Buick.  Would have never had a reason to visit otherwise.  My kids are grown and still talk about the tour of the prison.  Great countyside and roads.  Good friend in Bethany also made via Buick connections, he ran the tour.

 

Back to the topic, maybe some have trouble puting the 100 or 75 year old issue in perspective but look what it did at 50?  I have no idea what was handed out, my guess is nothing (sorry BOD), but they were part of something and they showed up and they had fun and just maybe the anniversary was the catalyst?  Can we please continue to explore this BOD?

[Guest MrNova]

From what I have been reading there seems to be a disconnect between the Buick club members and the organization.  Is this a fair statement?

[old-tank]

And sorry to cause you nausea Old Tank.  We were asked to provide ideas to increase membership, attendance and interest in the BCA and I did just that and as a result created some (in my opinion) good discussion.  It didn't go the way I wanted but I'm a big boy.

 

Take a peek at my signature, I'm involved and proud to be so.

No actual nausea involved, but the meaning I meant to convey:  "signifies that the topic in question has been discussed extensively, and that those involved in the discussion have grown tired of it."   And another word that may confuse:  Pontificate  "express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and uncompromising.

I agree that a 100 year old car deserves recognition, so why don't you get to work putting that process together?  There is too much of "they did this or they didn't do that".  No shortage of good ideas that involve extra work for others.

[old-tank]

From what I have been reading there seems to be a disconnect between the Buick club members and the organization.  Is this a fair statement?

No, just a select few that can not be satisfied not matter what....

[60FlatTop]

I just drove my 55 year old Buick up to town and had coffee at the Diner. The cashier said "Nice old car, $1.85 for the coffee."

 

45 years from now I expect the coffee will cost more.

Bernie

[Terry Wiegand]

Mr. Nova asks if there is a disconnect between the BCA management and the general membership.  YOU CAN BET YOUR BIPPY THERE IS!  Logic and just plain old common sense will tell the average person that if there wasn't, we wouldn't be having these discussions.  Not one elected BOD member outside of Mr. Stoneberg (and he doesn't count because he was not elected to the board) has came on this thread and offered any explanation about anything.  I think most folks would look at the president as the president and not a board member.  I find this fact to be decidedly disturbing in a social organization such as this one is.

 

Terry Wiegand

South Hutchinson, Kansas

[Larry Schramm]

_{Does it cost any more or is it anymore difficult to bring a 100 year old car than it is a 75, 70, 60 year old car ? ?  If you are a BCA member and you have a 1914 you bring a 1914, if you have a 1953 you bring a 1953.  Not opposed to the idea but not sure it really would increase the number of Oldies, and could actually put off someone with a 90 year old car.} 

 

MrNova,

 

It sure does take a lot more to bring a 100 year old vehicle.  It is not practical to drive a vehicle that will only go maybe 25-30 mph 800-900 miles to national meets or more.  You do the math on time and that is if everything goes perfect.

 

These long meets require trailering the vehicle to meets..... and that costs a lot more than driving a more modern car plus the logistics and costs of towing a trailer, etc.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Larry Schramm (see edit history)

[Larry Schramm]

No actual nausea involved, but the meaning I meant to convey:  "signifies that the topic in question has been discussed extensively, and that those involved in the discussion have grown tired of it."   And another word that may confuse:  Pontificate  "express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and uncompromising.

I agree that a 100 year old car deserves recognition, so why don't you get to work putting that process together?  There is too much of "they did this or they didn't do that".  No shortage of good ideas that involve extra work for others.

 

Old-tank,

 

What work?  Get some medallions made up and have the President pass them out at the National meet. 

 

The total time to get the medallions made up might be a couple of hours.

 

No paper work unless the office staff wants to keep track who the 100 year medallion recipients were and their vehicle.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Larry Schramm (see edit history)

[Dandy Dave]

Yeah Larry's right. Cost us plenty more than bringing something that can keep up with general traffic of the interstate highways. Dandy Dave!  

[NTX5467]

"No paperwork"???  Is the BOD President expected to pay for the medallions (determining the design, getting prototypes made, getting them approved by the BOD, finding a quality vendor to produce them,  getting appropriate "paper trail" of where the medallions went, keeping track by the Office) and what it takes to make them happen our of his pocket?  Even if the time is volunteered, there will still be travel expenses (even if local).  A simple result is usually comprised of many smaller actions/activities that build synergistically to the end result.

 

PERHAPS . . . it's time for a "100 Year Old Buick" Division of the BCA?  Whether as a free-standing division or possibly as a sub-set of the Pre-War Division?  MAYBE even a "100 Year Old Buick Registry", including BCA and non-BCA members' vehicles?​

 

Willis Bell  20811​

[Guest MrNova]

MrNova,

 

It sure does take a lot more to bring a 100 year old vehicle.  It is not practical to drive a vehicle that will only go maybe 25-30 mph 800-900 miles to national meets or more.  You do the math on time and that is if everything goes perfect.

 

These long meets require trailering the vehicle to meets..... and that costs a lot more than driving a more modern car plus the logistics and costs of towing a trailer, etc.

 

 

With a fast majority of people trailering cars of all years I was going off the premise of someone trailering a newer Buick versus the 100 year old one.  I have done both, driven cars and trailered cars - I can honestly say it was easier to trailer the cars than drive them, just not as enjoyable.  Of course driving a 100 year old one any distance for a national meet is not practical. 

 

My point was with many other show cars being trailered to a national meet, there really is no difference between trailering a 1915 Buick or a 1965 Buick - it requires the same effort.  And honestly, it requires more effort for the driven cars as they need a full cleanup once they get to a meet plus if you are driving something like my 37 Olds, it's a whole lot more comfortable in the 2013 decked out truck with the Olds tucked in the trailer. 

 

Have been showing cars for years in multiple clubs, have driven older ones, have trailered older ones and of course newer ones.

 

I firmly believe it is no harder to bring a 100 year old car than a 25 year old car - but I still would like to see recognition for 100 year olds coming out. 

 

Reading back over many past posts,  it seems Buick owners need presents, gifts, incentives just to drive and show their Buicks, they can't seem to grasp the enjoyment of just doing the act of bringing their cars to a meet.

 

Edited October 23, 2015 by MrNova (see edit history)