benjamin j Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I check out other car forums but seldom comment on anything. A couple of days ago there was a thread where a guy was asking about what gauge steel he should use for motor mounting. A member of the forum told him that what he should have said was motor mount stand since he already had the motor mounts. He gave a big lecture about using the right terms when asking a question but never answered the Ops question. I answered the Ops question and then went on to mention that motor mounts is also an improper term unless he was building an electric car LOL. I said if you’re going to lecture someone on using the right terms maybe you should do the same. He must have been a mod or someone with pull because I was booted almost instantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Here is what the Oxford Dictionary has to sat about the motor/engine controversy motor See definition in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary Syllabification: mo·tor Pronunciation: /ˈmōdər/ Definition of motor in English: noun 1A machine, especially one powered by electricity or internal combustion, that supplies motive power for a vehicle or for some other device with moving parts. According to one of the most reliable sources for the proper use of the English language, an engine is also a motor. I have one in my MOTORcycle. Early drivers went motoring in their motorcars. Ford Motor Company, General Motors, American Motors..................I see a pattern forming here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roj Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Um, I wouldn't worry to much about it. I brought to the attention of a forum that a guy was faking cars for a living, I was booted off the forum and he was allowed to make a lot of false accusations about me and my cars. This is a good forum, most people are watching out for each other and helping. I have made many friends from this forum and that is why I enjoy it so much. The corvette forum, well it is a group of know it all's and guys that are well, not very good people. Some are good, but usually stay off the corvette forum. This is a hobby and people should enjoy the cars we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 If you're not getting booted off forums, you're not thinking for yourself. I keep waiting for some warning points to show up under my name. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BillP Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Don't push your luck, Harwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) You know that saying that goes something like this, "I would not join a club of people who would want me as a member". Sometimes getting booted from a club is not all that bad. My honey and I did just the opposite. WE booted the CLUB. All they did was take their modern cars to go eat somewhere. To us, that was not the purpose of an antique car club. Edited October 2, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Here is what the Oxford Dictionary has to sat about the motor/engine controversyI have one in my MOTORcycle. Early drivers went motoring in their motorcars. Ford Motor Company, General Motors, American Motors..................I see a pattern forming here That is because early "motoring" history was mainly non-combustion-engined automobiles. The majority of cars on the road were either steam-powered or electric-powered. I think the combustion engine became more prevalent when the self-starter came to being in 1912. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Rp1967 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 , "I would not join a club of people who would want me as a member."Groucho Marx when he was asked to join the Friars club in Hollywood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 You know that saying that goes something like this, "I would not join a club of people who would want me as a member". Sometimes getting booted from a club is not all that bad. My honey and I did just the opposite. WE booted the CLUB. All they did was take their modern cars to go eat somewhere. To us, that was not the purpose of an antique car club.You and I think a lot alike! Keep up the great work! Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 How sad!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 "I think the combustion engine became more prevalent when the self-starter came to being in 1912." Peterson, plan on having a healthy debate on this one with me at the Fall meet. I hope you have some stats but I have to disagree that the combustion engine was not MORE prevalent prior to 1912. The number cars built comprised of steam and electric was not that high if I recall. Several manufacturers but not so high volume. In the meantime I may have to have my sleuths in the library back my words up!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) ...WE booted the CLUB. All they did was take their modern cars to go eat somewhere. To us, that was not the purpose of an antique car club. As I was about to become newsletter editor for an AACA region, members told me, "It's a car club. We don't want to see pictures of people eating in restaurants!" That good advice led me to do historical car research and interviews. Car fans are right at home here in the AACA. Edited October 2, 2015 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 That is because early "motoring" history was mainly non-combustion-engined automobiles. The majority of cars on the road were either steam-powered or electric-powered. I think the combustion engine became more prevalent when the self-starter came to being in 1912.Ummmm.......No.Steam is an external combustion engine, or motor, if you like. Electrics were always in the minority. Though a few steam cars soldiered on until the mid 20s, gasoline engines were king, almost from the beginning and certainly well before 1912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Romberger Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) If you went to school when I did, automobiles, motorcycles and go carts had engines. Vacuum cleaners had motors. What you played with is how we could tell the boys from the girls! Just because some people (including some dictionary from a foreign country where they talk funny anyway) call it a motor, doesn't make it a motor. Edited October 3, 2015 by Dwight Romberger (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ply33 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I guess I'll have to toss out my 1941 vintage high school driver training text book as it is titled Man and the Motor Car. Obviously if they couldn't get the title correct (Man and the Engine Car) I shouldn't trust anything in it. I guess the old Motor Age magazines have to go too. . . Edited October 2, 2015 by ply33 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) err...found this in my garage Edited October 3, 2015 by Guest (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Well, I just returned from Camping World. Had to pick up a part for the RV. It is a nice day, so I rode my enginecycle. Nice to get your face in the wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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60FlatTop Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I'd write a long comment but the motor skills of my left hand are not so good since the stroke.Bernie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vila Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I got a Warning point on a British car forum when I told a guy that if he had the money to buy his car then he should have the money to buy the repair manual that would have answered his question in a lot more detail then what any of the other postings said. I even recommended the manual to buy for around $40, which I thought was appropriate. I thought the comment was appropriate from the stand point that it would have taken several pages of text to answer his question and none of the other comments fully explained what he needed to do. John, I don't have an engine cycle, but my wife and I each have a Vespa engine scooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttotired Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 An Aussie point of view I always called the thing under the bonnet a motor, until I started my apprenticeship, where the thing under the bonnet was to be refered to as an engine and electric motors were motors, not engines Its a habbit that I will die with now, but General Motors, Mopar (MOtor PARts), FOrd MOtor COmpany ect didnt just make electric motors, they made lots of stuff including panels, which are not motors either Mick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Having owned a shop where we repaired electric motors and gas engines it will bug me forever to call an engine a motor....... ........but that's me....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capngrog Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I think this is one of those topics where there really is no right or wrong opinion. I've always called things that suck fuel and produce torque/horsepower engines, not motors. A steam engine (I've never heard the term "steam motor") is, as pointed out by Carl, an external combustion engine. Something that provides torque/horsepower that relies on a combustion process that is not on board, such as an electric motor, I call a motor. I've never heard one called an electric engine, although they rely on a combustion process occurring at the electric generation power plant. But then there are solar-powered motors so I would call those .... errr, uhh, I dunno. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that NASCAR drivers and mechanics call their power plants "motors", but the folks who build these power plants call themselves "engine builders". In my experience, the only situation in which the difference between an electric motor and an internal combustion engine makes a difference is in the radio control airplane hobby (yeah, that's one of my other vices). I fly R.C. aircraft that are primarily electric motor-powered, although I have a couple powered by internal combustion engines. The reason the difference is important, is that if not properly handled, electric motors can start without warning. Of course these motors have propellers attached to them, and those propellers have things called "blades". Something like that starting without warning can be painful ... don't ask me how I know. Confused, as usual,Grog Edited October 3, 2015 by capngrog (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Well, I just returned from Camping World. Had to pick up a part for the RV. It is a nice day, so I rode my enginecycle. Nice to get your face in the windYeah, Just got back home after a trip to Williams AZ where we picked up the steam train to the Grand Canyon. I had to tell the engineer he was no longer driving a steam engine, and to get used to the term Steam Motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD in KC Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Packard Motor Car Company - since 1902. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John348 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) That is because early "motoring" history was mainly non-combustion-engined automobiles. The majority of cars on the road were either steam-powered or electric-powered. I think the combustion engine became more prevalent when the self-starter came to being in 1912. I recall while on a Tour of the Stanley Museum in Kingfield Maine that around 1912 the automotive industry was about 1/3 steam, 1/3 electric and 1/3 gasoline. Each one had it's limits, The Stanley Brothers sold their patents for film developing to the Kodak brothers, who were financed by the Eastman's (Paul McCartney's first wife Linda was a direct descendant of) to expand their operation. The felt electric was a long way from expanding out of the cities, and gasoline was limited as far as suppliers and was flammable creating storage issues. They felt that steam was a lock despite steam requiring the driver to have some pretty sharp math skills, but the vehicle could travel away fro it's fuel source, Electric and gas were limited to stay close to the fuel supply, the steam cars, not so much.... The Stanley brothers felt it was a sure thing, they were wrong and the Kodak Brothers, well became the Kodak brothers became rich and Stanley Steamers were hitsory Edited October 3, 2015 by John348 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I recall while on a Tour of the Stanley Museum in Kingfield Maine that around 1912 the automotive industry was about 1/3 steam, 1/3 electric and 1/3 gasoline. I think those numbers are WAAAAAY off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rp1967 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 So much wrong with your post John I don't know where to start.KODAK BROTHERS. ? LOL, KODAK is a name They came up with while brainstorming it's a scrambled version of DAKOTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) So much wrong with your post John I don't know where to start.KODAK BROTHERS. ? LOL, KODAK is a name They came up with while brainstorming it's a scrambled version of DAKOTA.Me thinks not ! Unless the letter. T. Is silent! Wayne Edited October 3, 2015 by AlCapone (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Romberger Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) That was the third brother, Tom Kodak. He didn't talk until he was 7 years old! The called him "silent Tom." Edited October 3, 2015 by Dwight Romberger (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Romberger Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Actually, There are several fanciful stories of how George Eastman can up with the name KODAK. His explanation was that even as a child he was fascinated with the letter "K" He explained: "I devised the name myself. The letter 'K' had been a favorite with me -- it seems a strong, incisive sort of letter. It became a question of trying out a great number of combinations of letters that made words starting and ending with 'K.' The word 'Kodak' is the result." Eastman also selected Kodak's distinctive yellow trade dress, which is widely known throughout the world. Edited October 3, 2015 by Dwight Romberger (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 That whole Kodak thing is a funny story, by George. Bernie from Rochester, NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) General Motors, American Motors, Ford Motor Company. Enginized vehicles? Indianapolis Engine Speedway? Enginerama? I think we may nave reached the end of the road to insanity, by arguing over this topic. Lets go back to something useful topics, like: Is the 1978 Shay Model A Ford or the 1985 Zimmer Quicksilver an antique car? Is a old hot rod still an antique car? Is a hot rod re-created today with all 25 years & older parts still an antique? Is a pre-1955 "restored car" with 12 volt electrical & an alternator & radial tires still an antique? Is a 1935 Chevrolet with a 1955 Chevrolet 6 cylinder engine still an antique? Are all these cars welcome at AACA events? All any or all replica vehicles banned? When is the line crossed? Can a motorized vehicle have either a motor or and engine? I think so. Edited October 3, 2015 by Paul Dobbin (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Walling Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 When posting, write whatever you want to, then reread it! If it is meant as a joke, make sure that you ad a smiley If it is meant as criticism, remember what your mother said, "If you don't have something good to say about someone, don't say anything" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthcranbrook Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I thought we were talking about car clubs? And forums. I left a regional(not AACA) club because I began to realize all I was doing was driving 3 hours one way for lunch. Plus as newsletter editor I was in constant conflict with the club President over timing and content. A great social club, wonderful people otherwise. Cars, not so much. I have also left voluntarily a popular Car forum after a lecture about why I wasted space starting a new thread when the poster thought it wasn't needed. If the Moderator or the owner lectures me, that is one thing. But some guy out of the blue. Nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 " A great social club, wonderful people otherwise." I think, due to the age of the hobbyists, that is today and moving into the future. On the motor and engine thing, just be thankful there is a level of awareness high enough to have a picky conversation, Colloquialisms, generational slang, the media, and poor hearing all play into the misnomers. I revived the electrical system of a 1913 Rambler years back. If you know what they are it is more like working on the machinery of an old elevator than a car. Well, if you know old elevators. In the US the greatest percentage of our automotive literature came from Britain until the mid 1970's. That's where the funny terms originate. And they, taking Darwin to heart, and the importance of the amphibians ascent to shore, nodded in agreement when Toad stated "Now, this is a proper motorcar," Now, there is a quoted, historical source. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Romberger Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Roger, I never criticise anyone. I know that sounds odd, but it is a code I keep. But I do joke all the time and sometimes what is say is taken the wrong way. So, I am going to take Roger's advice and put a smiley face after something I mean to be taken with jest.Thank you Roger. Good Idea. Now as for the rest of you maglignant bums. . . Oh, i said I don't criticise..... never mind Edited October 3, 2015 by Dwight Romberger (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I think bums is British slang, too. Just a bunch of motor bums.Bernie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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