jcs2001 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Reconditioned! Excellent Condition! www.smithsclassiccarclocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 pic attached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Hi There, Can you tell me the diameter of this clock please? The '38 Plymouths only have two large diameter gauges, one for the speedo and the other is a 4 gauge cluster so I'm not clear on where this clock fits? How much are you asking?Thanks, Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Greg: I do not know where it fits. my assumption was glove box but I wonder if there is a spot for it between the 2 big gauges...I think its pretty clear it fits the car based on the distinctive styling but I have not seen a picture on line that gives a clue. price is 299.95 many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Thanks for the quick reply. The glove box seems unlikely as the image shows but maybe it fit above the ashtray where the Plymouth ship is in this photo? What is the diameter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) The hands on your clock do look similar to the '38 Plymouth speedo indicator but I think it may be for a different year/model. Edited June 9, 2015 by Guest (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Greg: No, i am certain it comes from 1938. See Attached, my bible for guides to instruments and clocks https://sites.google.com/site/identifyinginstrumentpanels/home/clocks-1 interestingly, however I still have not seen a photo with a dash that has a clock..My best guess is that it was above the radio..This site shows the radio delete and perhaps there is a panel above that that is the clock delete??best Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Actually it would be below the radio delete..the panel with the ship is described as the radio delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Realizing now the ash tray is below the ship and perhaps the ship panel was the clock OR radio delete..Makes the most sense to me. diameter of exposed bezel is 2-1/2" note also that the bezel is excellent on this clock, the crimp marks visible in the photo do not appear through the mounting hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Agreed, the spot below the panel with the ship is the ashtray. That's why I wondered about the diameter. If the clock is small enough it could fit in the panel where the ship is. The trick now is to find that panel that accepts the clock. Has to be rare. Also, interesting site link you posted. I'm going to hang on to that one. I see they have a question mark listed along with the '38 Plymouth clock about location (Glove Box?) If you look at the photo I've attached of a '38 Plymouth gauge cluster it appears to support your claim. On close inspection, the font of the numbers is very distinct. Check the angled cut on the top of the "1" and the square cut circles inside the zeroes. They seem to match with your clock.hhmmmmm.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) Jim, I've combed every manual, brochure and bit of literature I can find regarding this clock. This is pretty obscure but I finally managed to find a reference to a clock for the '38 Plymouth. It is in the 1938 Plymouth Salesman Brochure. As you can see in the image it looks like Plymouth offered a mirror mounted clock. While it does look similar to yours at a glance, it appears different on closer inspection. Of course this could simply be due to an artist's rendition of the clock.Now I'm wondering, as the clock you have is so similar to the Plymouth gauge look for '38, if it may have been for a '38 Dodge or Chrysler? Maybe one of the forum members more familiar with those lines can chime in?Greg Edited June 10, 2015 by Guest (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Greg: this clock could not have been a mirror clock, it is much too large and those clocks were almost always wind ups and were non -proprietary. The one shown looks very similar to a non-proprietary New haven clock that was sold as an aftermarket accessory and that I have seen many times for sale on e-bay. As for it being for a chrysler or Dodge, Those interiors and gauge designs were different upon checking "the bible". My best last guess is again, Glove Box. I notice that plymouth had glove box clocks prior to and after 1938...chrysler and dodge also offered them in that location. If glove box, as you suggest, the trick then is to find the glove box. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Greg: interesing to find this image of the dash structure which does not appear to allow for a 2-1/2" diameter clock to show through anywhere except the glove box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Good image. That does help clarify the fact that the clock did not fit the dash. Is your clock's adjuster on the back? If so, that would also tend to indicate glove box location.Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Greg: that is an excellent point, yes, the clock sets from behind..that is only present on glove box clocks..or as in the case of the 1949 cadillac, on a fold out bezel. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Whew!Mystery solved. Now, the hunt for a correct glove box door begins......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 Greg: Thanks for the conversation. This is one of my favorite parts in this hobby, the research. Not prodding but i hope it's still here when you find one. Best Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Same here Jim. Some good research is as enjoyable as the restoration process for me. G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 renew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 .....and I'm STILL looking for a correct glove box door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Jim, Can you post an image of the rear side of this clock please?Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-shot Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 37 plymouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 That's not a '38 Plymouth glove box door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-shot Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I agree, clearly states 37 Plymouth under it. Haven't checked part numbers yet. But I suspect little difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Oops!sorry, missed that. Yes, they are different. The '38 door wraps all the way underneath the dash and has three nickel plated bars placed horizontally across the front. Its the placement of these bars that seems to be the confusion regarding clock placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcs2001 Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 renew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keith Killips Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Did someone ever solve this clock issue? It appears to be from a 38 PLYMOUTH like mine. They may not have been available as a factory order but we're available as a separate piece or with the correct door with hole and shortened chrome pieces. The doors came painted or woodgrained or a unique painted comb for convertibles. I have a photo out of a magazine of a convertible dash with the clock installed. Also P/N's for the clock and all the various doors. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Keith, can you post some pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keith Killips Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Sorry for the pix quality but it's a foto of a foto. Believe the car to be P6 convertible which I think had painted dashes as opposed to woodgrained. This one appears to have a lighter coloured stripe across the door between the top and bottom of the 3 ss strips. Don't know if that was factory??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Thanks for posting the pic. Never seen thar before. The clocks seem to come up from time to time but I believe they are almost worthless without the correct glove box door, which NEVER seems to be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwellens Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Here is some more data: Clock.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 hmmmm, I can't seem to open this file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Greg, it opened for me with Acrobat. It has some pics of correct factory accessories for your '38 Plymouth, including the rear view mirrors with built in clocks that I once told you about. James Sheehan Minneapolis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Thanks HW, I'd really like to see this. My hand held just won't do it. I'll try it from my home computer when I get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Got it, hwellens, thanks for posting that is really great info and hard to find. Is this a complete catalog you possess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwellens Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) The book I have is a parts book for 37-38 Dodge and Plymouth. has parts, accessories and pictures of the 38 Dodge cars. Edited May 11, 2017 by hwellens More data (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 hwellens, thanks for posting these couple of pages from your manual. I don't have a '38 at this time, but I know how fun it is for '38 owners to see these accessories. These manuals are fairly rare, so again thanks for taking the time to post these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) Agreed! I have never seen this catalog before. If you ever decide to part with it I'm certainly a buyer. You know what I find really funny? The figures they have drawn to represent Precision, Quality & Economy. They have a Scottsman shown for Economy. It's a long running gag about their stereotypical "thriftiness". Simpler times no PC police. I love it! Edited May 12, 2017 by Guest (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Greg, Have you ever heard of a Studebaker Scotsman? Cheap, bare-bones and, I have to think, terribly offensive to Scotts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker_Scotsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) I have not but thanks for sharing. My wife is from Scot background. She finds this very funny! Edited May 12, 2017 by Guest (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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