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1925 Sedan Vacuum tank


GaryP65

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Ok... trying to get this thing started for the first time. Engine has good compression, battery turns it over well.

Because I didn't clean out the gas tank, I ran gas thru a can. Vacuum tank sucks it in good but I don't see it coming out (used clear lines just to see if it works). I have had the tank out and can hear and feel the float moving.

any ideas why gas doesn't come out to carb?

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NO gas at ALL?

Try physically lifting the gas needle in the carb.

If nothing shows up there pull the line between the carb and tank and stick a wire in the outlet of the vacuum tank.

It would be a good idea to do that anyway BEFORE some crud finds its way to the carb.

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There doesn't seem to be gas coming out the bottom of the tank to carb. When I stop cranking, the gas flows back to the gas can. I took the vacuum out of the car again and there wasn't any gas in it at all. I don't understand how it can suck it in and not fill the chamber up.

 

Also, I noticed that my vacuum tank doesn't resemble the one in the mechanics manual. That one shows an drain outlet and the tube to carb outlet. I only have one outlet. Otherwise it's the same.

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There doesn't seem to be gas coming out the bottom of the tank to carb. When I stop cranking, the gas flows back to the gas can. I took the vacuum out of the car again and there wasn't any gas in it at all. I don't understand how it can suck it in and not fill the chamber up.

 

That makes two of us.......  :huh:

I've attached a photo of the setup on mine.

The tube at the top front is a vent.

The fitting at the top rear left is the vacuum line.

The fitting at the top rear right is from the gas tank and at the bottom line obviously runs to the carburetor although mine has a drain tap too which is irrelevant as to operation.

There is an internal check (flapper) valve to allow a vacuum to develop within the tank but you say your's IS pumping gas from the tank.

That page gives you a great explanation as to the operation >>> http://www.geaaonline.org/vacuumfuelfeed.htm

I think you will need to remove the top to see what's going on in there.

You will notice the inner tank has a very narrow top flange.

This flange does NOT use a separate gasket.

One CORK, and ONLY cork, gasket is used to seal the innards as the cork is soft enough to "squish" enough to seal the unequal surfaces.

Don't ask me how I discovered this.......but I'll tell you: I found THE gasket on ebay and then the light came on.......  ;)

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Ok... filled the vacuum tank with gas and the line to carb filled up immediately. Carb needle in down. There is gas coming from the tube that going into the engine between cylinders 3 & 4. What is the sliding cover that rotates to show an opening in this tube? Should the hole be showing?! Ive never seen such a thing. Also, why does the gas retract from the gas can once I stop cranking? I'm trying to get over the fact this is not my old 60's muscle but the principles gotta still be the same.

Remember, this thing has been in a barn for 60 years.

Talk to me like I'm stupid please!!

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LOL.........I try to not treat anyone as stupid!.......although there are times when.......  :wacko:

As for air heater sleeve on the carb intake the one on mine is wide open.

That LAST thing todays gas needs is heat........the colder the the better.

My hunch is the flapper inside the tank is not sealing.

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If you can find some 1/8" cork somewhere you can make it yourself.

On ebay they sell for $6.50 >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STEWART-WARNER-VACUUM-FUEL-PUMP-COVER-GASKET-/301167664985?hash=item461efddf59&vxp=mtr

While you have the top off inspect the two valve seats which are pressed into the top casting.

They have a habit of coming loose which makes for an exasperating situation.......  :wacko:

I was going half  :blink: with mine until, by shear accident I saw the vacuum seat fall out of the seat.

Sometimes it would stay and sometimes it wouldn't.

Luckily the fit was still very close so a dab of Loctite took care of it.

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When you post a new message click the More Reply Options button at the lower right corner of the message window which will open a new window.

Once you've added your message look just beneath the message window for Attach Files........after that you'll figure it out....... ;)

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Can someone let me know if this is an older model? See arrow, does this mean 2 gaskets?

Also, the flapper seems to be ok. I also submerged the float and its fine. All the inner working seem to be ok as well.

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