Leif Holmberg Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Got the picture this evening from a friend of mine ,and need your help again.Leif in Sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Maybe a Minerva? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 To me the car looks like a Cadillac style,but proberly anything else than that.Leif in Sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Those wheels will tell the make, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I thought Minerva from the shape of the radiator but maybe not. Those disc wheels are European. They look to be not very big diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 To me those disc wheels are USA made.Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The most notable feature i see is the large headlight, positioned unusually high. I can't see door hinges at the front of the front door, is it a suicide door, or it may just be my interpretation of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The most notable feature i see is the large headlight, positioned unusually high. I can't see door hinges at the front of the front door, is it a suicide door, or it may just be my interpretation of the picture.Both features I noticed. Yes, it has suicide doors with four hinges at the rear of the front door. At least, that is what I see. I see the radiator sticks up slightly above the hood like the Minerva and not in line like the Cadillac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Have been searsing for Minerva pictures that should compare to this car without any luck.Could you please show me a picture that show that it looks like a Minerva?Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roysboystoys Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Have been searsing for Minerva pictures that should compare to this car without any luck.Could you please show me a picture that show that it looks like a Minerva?Leif in Sweden.There are some photos here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva_(automobile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 I can see a 1931 green one ,and a 1937 red-black,far away from the black and white picture.Can`t find any Minervas on this site that are close to the the black and white picture.Leif in Sweden, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hi Leif and NZ, Relatively sure it is not a Minerva but no idea yet as to what it is. Minerva would have a fluted bonnet top and fluted rad top. I cannot see either. It just seems a plain 'Germanic' type of tapering-to-front bonnet, The rad on the photo looks very flat fronted so if a Minerva, cannot be later than cca 1914. The car on the photo seems much post WW1, electrics etc. It looks to me as if there is something on the wheel hubs. Can you enlarge hub or look at it with a magnifying glass. Regards Vintman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roysboystoys Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I can see a 1931 green one ,and a 1937 red-black,far away from the black and white picture.Can`t find any Minervas on this site that are close to the the black and white picture.Leif in Sweden,Here is a link from that site. Don't see any disc wheels until 1928 or so. I don't think the photo is a Minervahttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Minerva_vehicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Vintman.It`s hard to see anything even if using a magnifing glass.A Little bit enlarged photo but not very good to look at.Leif in Sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Saxton Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Radiator and bonnet shape are a bit like Mors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) See below Edited February 14, 2015 by Vintman (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Thanks Leif, but as you say, enlargement is not much help. We have had a long look at this by various of our sages but have not come up with an answer. We do however seem to be in agreement that we think this is an American car, with possibly an European body. The wheels are detachable discs relatively common optional extra to very early 1920s American cars. The hubs appear to have 12 wheel studs and six detachment lugs, suggesting a larger car. There are a number of American cars with this combination, Lincoln being a typical example. The louvers are of the earlier big type which is close to 1920 as thereafter they get thinner and more numerous. The picture has a number of interesting features, one being that there is no rear passenger door on this side. This assumes rear passengers get in on the left so the car would be right hand drive. The second is that there appears to be a circular aperture on the rear skirt above the running board. There is a similar aperture on a cca 1921 Lincoln. The lights are set high and could be a European feature like the body. The body is all forward of the rear axle which was a very Germanic feature for a while.So, for the moment, not a great deal further forward! Regards Vintman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The house in the background appears to have shuttered windows (shown closed), which isn't too common in the USA. The exception are some cabins which are not occupied all year. The house appears to be larger than a typical USA cabin. Also, the background of the picture has a Northern European look to it. I think that the car is a European make.Grandpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I also think it is a European car just by the overall look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 The picture is taken in Sweden,and there`s a relative to the man in the Picture I`m trying to help.Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 To me it very much looks like Hudson 1925-1926.Yes a lot newer than I thought if it`s a Hudson.Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Agree, while there are minor differences in lights and wheels, the important features jibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roysboystoys Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I posted the photo at the Hudson forum. Reply was that it's a 24/25 Hudson , with a later radiator shell and headlights. Possibly from 1929For some reason I could not copy and paste the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I know it looks a LOT like the Hudson, but the belt lines are doubled on the car in question. The car is definitely a European built car with the right hand drive. The Hudson also has a piano hinge at the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 If you take the car with the two people and look at the belt line and the hinges as well, and comparing with the first picture ,and then take the wheel from the blue one and put on the car with two guys then you have it I think.The car in Sweden in the first picture is a car built in the beginning of the 1926 Hudson models era I think?.Leif in Sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 The fenders are smooth on the car in question and "stepped" on the Hudson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Google "1925 Hudson Super Six Town Coach", its hinges, wheels, and beltline look the same as on the mystery car to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Google "1925 Hudson Super Six Town Coach", its hinges, wheels, and beltline look the same as on the mystery car to me.Yep.....I see it now. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) This`s the original photos of the 2 last Hudson,forgot to tell you that I reversed those photos just to made it easier to compare.What I ment earlier was that the hubs looked the same in the first and the 3d Picture.Thanks for your help.Leif in Sweden. Edited February 17, 2015 by Leif Holmberg (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I see the Hudson triangle on the hubcaps on the rear 3/4 shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAU Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The car appears to have a "hump" along the top of the hood and radiator that the hudson does not have. The 1923 Minerva in the web site below has this featurehttps://www.google.com.au/search?q=1923+minerva+picture&rlz=1T4ADRA_enAU406AU407&tbm=isch&imgil=c4yocWxn4SBXuM%253A%253B-0U9VpPpqQT9_M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.history-of-cars.com%25252Fphp%25252Fminerva%25252F1923-ab-dual-cowl-open-tourer.php&source=iu&pf=m&fir=c4yocWxn4SBXuM%253A%252C-0U9VpPpqQT9_M%252C_&usg=__wtR-pduLNkN9zTNWO8wHemkXmKE%3D&biw=1344&bih=669&ved=0CDIQyjc&ei=qo3kVKGQNsHAmAWJyILQDg#imgdii=_&imgrc=c4yocWxn4SBXuM%253A%3B-0U9VpPpqQT9_M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.history-of-cars.com%252Fimages%252Fminerva%252F1925-type-ab-torpedo-12.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.history-of-cars.com%252Fphp%252Fminerva%252F1923-ab-dual-cowl-open-tourer.php%3B1000%3B692 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I first thought it might be a Minerva but they don't usually have high-mounted headlights like the mystery car. I think this one is going to keep us all guessing for a while yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I posted the photo at the Hudson forum. Reply was that it's a 24/25 Hudson , with a later radiator shell and headlights. Possibly from 1929Agree, here is what a '28 or '29 Hudson headlight looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 The owner of this Hudson was a traveling salesman here in Sweden,and I`m sure those head lights had a lot better light"picture" than the earlier original ones.Leif in Sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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