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#1 TomP

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

Hi gents, I am about to view the above that is basically a rolling chassis with a running engine and gearbox, the prop has been removed to ease movement. My understanding is that it comes with a full set of parts with the exception of:- missing sidemount covers, door cards, wood is there on the headlining but no fabric or vinyl, glass is missing and it requires a 10" steel plate welding under the rumble seat. Apart from a few dents or dings the body is sound as are the fenders and hood.

Almost all of its life it was based in South Africa and not shipped to the UK until 2002 where it has been dry stored for the last 10 yrs.

Here's the difficult part, I know nothing of the Plymouth brand or what should be there and is not, bit of a no brainer I know, but with pension funds the way they are now, could this be a worthwhile project for the future or just another money pit?

What are your thoughts.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

Sounds like a great car, but without photos, it is hard to tell if the most important parts are there and their condition. I would suggest that if you purchase it, you will do so for the enjoyment and maybe to keep it otherwise (depending on the condition) you will probably not make a profit if buying to fix up and resell. There are very sought after cars.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:06 AM

Sounds like a great car, but without photos, it is hard to tell if the most important parts are there and their condition. I would suggest that if you purchase it, you will do so for the enjoyment and maybe to keep it otherwise (depending on the condition) you will probably not make a profit if buying to fix up and resell. There are very sought after cars.


I will have photos next wkend 19/20th and as far as I know the glass is the only major parts that is not there, things like the twin horns, door furniture, window winder especially the rear window mechanism are all there, radiator core and chrome shell which is good, headlights with glass and mountings, seats have been retrimmed, full instrument panel, loom rewired. Not sure if the rad cap is there or not and the rear lights are thought to be wrong but may have been standard in the export pack sent to SA. back in 1933.

My intention would be to restore to a good standard and run for 10yrs or so then depending on how it stands up to the British climate either pass down thru the family or sell on.

These are all I have to go on at present.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:39 AM

Ment to say it also comes with the original master parts list with pictures and a copy of the owners handbook. Just found this photo which shows 87384 miles which may not be correct but could be a guide

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

It's amazing how many of these things STILL show up even in 2013. The car is a 1933 'De Luxe Plymouth Six' Model PD. This is important to remember as there is an earlier 1933 Plymouth called the Model PC which is an entirely different car at least as far as the body and inside thingys go. It's oil bath air cleaner is off a much later car. And the carb appears to be later also. Depends on whether you want to just drive it or restore it to 'original'. Over here these coupes are worth quite a bit to the hot rodders. Very few are being restored if they are in the condition this one is. The hot rodders drop in a 350 Chev V8 engine and auto tranny and chrome everything in sight. The coupe is a very desirable version of a 1930s car regardless of brand. You seem to have most of the car even to the hubcaps so it seems worth buying. In it's present condition I would not pay more that $10000 or 5K Pounds. You're going to put another 2K/3K Pounds into it and an original 1933 Plymouth coupe is not bringing much more that $20K/$25K today. If you can get buyer. Times are low and slow for antiques right now.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

Yes this is the PD some 3" longer in the front end with a 112 wheelbase? , I have found out today that the mascot is also included. This is too good to chop although each to their own. My thoughts are the same as your regarding its worth to me personally apart from I think it may cost a little more to restore in the UK. I am able to cope with the machanics and tin work but paint over here is pricey, 2k minimum for a bare metal respay, but time will tell at the wkend, the seller knows where to go so I can talk that one thru.

Watch this space.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:20 AM

What floor should there be steel or ply??
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

There was a lot of plywood in the floor of a 1933 Plymouth. The battery inspection cover is metal and the toe board is steel. The front seat bridges across the car and sits on metal but the rear floor has a chunk of plywood in it. The rear of the body has some hard wood uprights fixed to the body to hold the seat in place. But the rear seat sits in a metal body stamping. The rest of the car is electric wire welded metal pieces but you will find wood strips fixed in metal body and door channels to tack the upholstery to. This went on for years and is not 1933 specific.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:16 PM

There was a lot of plywood in the floor of a 1933 Plymouth. The battery inspection cover is metal and the toe board is steel however. The front seat bridges across the car and sits on metal but the rear floor has a chunk of plywood in it. The rear of the body has some hard wood uprights fixed to the body to hold the seat in place. But the rear seat sits in a metal body stamping. The rest of the car is electric wire welded metal pieces but you will find wood strips fixed in metal body and door channels to tack the upholstery to. This went on for years and is not 1933 specific.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

Those aircleaners were pretty common in Australia on 1933-34 Dodges and Plyms I think.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:35 PM

Managed to strike a deal on Saturday with the owner, I paid more than I wanted and he got less, its the part of buying and selling I most dislike. The metal is in incredible condition apart from the last section in the trunk floor, quite a straight forward piece to make.

The floor is another thing, its steel to the back of the front bench, under the bench is ply with an inspection hole to access the battery, the toe boards are wood and we have a hole thru to the dirt in front of the bench, will post pics after I collect it.

Could do with some info on the sidemount tin and has anybody got the metalwork to secure the covers?

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

Don't know how I managed to miss this thread for a whole week...

Most of you immediate questions already answered but I thought I'd toss in that Chrysler shipped "totally knocked down" cars to England where they were locally assembled and fitted with locally sourced interiors. For 1933, the Plymouth was sold and marketed in England as a "Chrysler Kew 6". The English version had a small bore export motor and right hand drive but other than that the mechanicals were, near as I can tell from the parts book, pretty much the same as for the US version. I don't know how many were sold or how well they survived but there is a possibility that some mechanical parts could be found locally to you.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

The toe board running up under the cowl/'scuttle' should be a steel stamping. Has it been changed or is that part of the local body? Is it actually a Chrysler Kew 6 or a Plymouth? If it was shipped from Canada to South Africa,which appears to be the case, I don't believe it would have been a Kew 6. From what I see on the internet today of the survivors in South Africa,India,Finland,Denmark, Austarlia and New Zealand they were called Plymouths. They were only built up as Chrysler Kew 6s in England at Kew Gardens. If it's not a Kew 6 it will have our North American 3 1/8" bore 3.111 litre 70 hp. engine.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

The toe board running up under the cowl/'scuttle' should be a steel stamping. Has it been changed or is that part of the local body? Is it actually a Chrysler Kew 6 or a Plymouth? If it was shipped from Canada to South Africa,which appears to be the case, I don't believe it would have been a Kew 6. From what I see on the internet today of the survivors in South Africa,India,Finland,Denmark, Austarlia and New Zealand they were called Plymouths. They were only built up as Chrysler Kew 6s in England at Kew Gardens. If it's not a Kew 6 it will have our North American 3 1/8" bore 3.111 litre 70 hp. engine.


I did not mean to imply that it was a Chrysler Kew 6 but rather he might be able to find some parts locally if he widened his search to include Kew 6 parts...

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:04 PM

Yes it is the Plymouth PD Deluxe Late 1933 with the 189 cu in staight 6
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once its home I will be able to confirm the Vin and engine Nos. so that I can get age related docs for UK registration. Where would I go to get the age related docs??

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

I did not mean to imply that it was a Chrysler Kew 6 but rather he might be able to find some parts locally if he widened his search to include Kew 6 parts...



Thanks for that info but I'm of the opinion that most of the Kew 6's are long gone. Is there a register of what cars exist and where?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:39 PM

Yes it is the Plymouth PD Deluxe Late 1933 with the 189 cu in staight 6
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once its home I will be able to confirm the Vin and engine Nos. so that I can get age related docs for UK registration. Where would I go to get the age related docs??


For North American built cars you can get a copy of the "build card" from the Chrysler Historical Collection. So once you get the serial number (right front door hinge post (passenger side for LHD)) you can use a look up tool like the one I have at Plymouth First Decade: Where is the VIN? I only have North American numbers on it, so if it has a hit then it should tell you that there is a chance that Chrysler Historical will have the information about your car. Information about build cards is at Plymouth First Decade: Build Cards on my site.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:42 PM

Thanks for that info but I'm of the opinion that most of the Kew 6's are long gone. Is there a register of what cars exist and where?


Plymouth Owners Club attempts to maintain a registry of surviving cars. Their web site is at Home page of the Plymouth Owners Club Bulletin Jim Benjaminson will be the person you will want to contact at that club. He is the membership secretary.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:45 AM

Plymouth Owners Club attempts to maintain a registry of surviving cars. Their web site is at Home page of the Plymouth Owners Club Bulletin Jim Benjaminson will be the person you will want to contact at that club. He is the membership secretary.


Thanks for the link Mr F have touched base with Jim, very interesting.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

Those North American numbers do not include Canadian numbers. Chrysler Canada threw all their old photos and build sheets out in about 1950. Your Plymouth has to be made in the U.S. to get the build sheet for it which Chrysler Corp. did keep. Your Plymouth was most likely made in Windsor Ont. Canada at Chrysler Motors (as it was called then). It was most likely made as a "Knock-down Job" and sent in a 'box' to it's overseas destination. I know at Kew Gardens where the '33 Plymouth was badge engineered as a 'Kew 6', it had home grown Lucas electrics (!!!!) put on it in lieu of Delco Remy and also leather upholstery. Tires were Dunlap or equals and batteries were home grown as well. They also had the mandated running lights on the tops of each front fender. I also believe the glass may of been local. And they were of course all right hand drive. Some also had sliding 'sun roofs' installed at Kew. I have 2 books from about the 1980s that were printed in England and show all the English ads and magazine write-ups for Chyslers and Dodges through the 30s in England. Ply33 does not list Canadian serial numbers for 1933 Plymouths only U.S. numbers. However it's quite simple; if the right door post is a 9 million number (9,xxx,xxx) it was made in Ontario Canada. Detroit did make vehicles for overseas,they made DeSoto cars and Fargo trucks for many years and shipped them around the world, but your Plymouth was most likely made in Canada because of something called British Commonwealth Preferential Treatment. We'll know where it was made for sure when you find the serial number. I understand the licence plate number stayed the same through out the life of the vehicle in England so you can find where it lived and who owned it right back to the first day? Right? There is a restored 'Kew 6' aka 1933 Plymouth PC in the midlands owned by an ex bobby by the name of Shakespeare. You might want to look it up.

Edited by DodgeKCL, 28 January 2013 - 08:22 PM.





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