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#1 rle612

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 09:49 PM

I was near the entrance of the Badlands of SD off I90 (east of Rapid City)- exit 110 on a side dirt road that leads to the prairie dog town. This pickup truck came buy and I turned around and took a few photos thinking my car guy friend would be able to ID it. No luck - and he brought the photo to Hershey show and still no ID . He thinks it is a Stutz!
So, if you can ID that would be great.
What the H was he doing on this dirty road with this car on a trailor? When the driver came back, he was going so fast and the dust was all over that I didn't get a return shot - sorry no front end phot (grill, etc.).
It appears to have lights on the fenders and also two sets of back lights (One may be a triple light by the license plate?)
Any help would just ease my mind. I am not a car guys .
A number of my friends are.

Richard
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:53 AM

That hood ornament sure looks like the 1939 and earlier Packard Cormorant.

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#3 rle612

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:53 AM

That hood ornament sure looks like the 1939 and earlier Packard Cormorant.

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Thank you. I did a search of hood ornaments and didn't find it. The photos were not good but did show a bottom area pushing forward and the the rest thrusting upward. This could be the answer. I will forward to my friends.
Thanks again.

I would astill like to know what the guy was doing there on that road with such a nice old car?
Richard

Edited by rle612, 21 October 2012 - 01:55 AM.


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:02 AM

I don't see a red hexagon on the hub caps.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:01 AM

I will have to check. I only got a few shots and I enlarged the one greatly. I thought I detected a hexaon or ... shape. Have to check on the red.
I don't know if you can zoom in on the forum photos. If you can, also look at the area above the license plate. At first I thought it was a Mercedes shape (I am not a car guy). Closer inspection seems to reveal a trilight taillight?

Would the red shape be smaller than the black circle?
I looked the hubs up - they are quite distinctive.
Back to the drawing bords? I will check my other photos.

Richard

Edited by rle612, 21 October 2012 - 03:21 AM.


#6 Dave Mellor NJ

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:29 AM

This 32 Stutz has the big fender mounted lights but that's about all

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:30 AM

I keep thinking it's about a 1930 Cadillac. It has the single piece bumper, the wheels look Cadillac as well as a Fleetwood looking body.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 02:10 AM

It looks a lot like a 1931 Peerless straight 8 Sport Coupe......but the only known one in the world is in Ontario. It is dark green with light green wire wheels, and has a single blade rear bumper.

Edited by jeff_a, 22 October 2012 - 02:14 AM.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 11:24 AM

Looks like Ontario license plate to me.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:21 PM

maybe he was hired to deliver it & got lost

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:29 PM

I keep thinking it's about a 1930 Cadillac. It has the single piece bumper, the wheels look Cadillac as well as a Fleetwood looking body.


First thought that popped into my head was Cadillac.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:55 AM

Whatever it is, I'd be surprised if that hood ornament turns out to be anything but a Packard cormorant. This is a blow-up of what is visible (seen from the rear of course).

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 03:13 AM

To my chagrin, Dave I think it is a Peerless Master Eight with a cormorant hood ornament, after West reported that the license plate looks like it may be from Ontario. The car is a stunning HPOF-type car photographed on page 12 of the July/August Antique Automobile. Please look at the threads on the Peerless Forum by "Spud" titled "31 Peerless Sport Coupe": 8/9/10 [updated 12/14/12]; 8/14/10 [8/18/10]; and 8/17/10.

When I looked at the second thread, I saw what clearly looks like a cormorant. What it's doing on a Peerless, I don't know.

I could be wrong in ID-ing this car; it could be a Packard, Cadillac or Stutz, I suppose. But I recognize the specific car from these photos.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:54 AM

Jeff has correctly identified it as a 1931 Peerless. It was shown at the Stowe, Vermont AACA national meet.

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Edited by West Peterson, 23 October 2012 - 09:57 AM.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

Gorgeous car - great job Jeff - nice work, as always West.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:05 PM

Thanks alot guys. I was ready to give up on it.
I will pass this along and look at the thread.
Great. It sure looks like it.
I think Gary was likely correct - the car may have been in trasport and the guy got lost.

Do I close the thread now?

Richard

Edited by rle612, 24 October 2012 - 06:54 PM.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:31 PM

Thanks alot guys. I was ready to give up on it.
I will pass this along and look at the thread.
Great. It sure looks like it.
I think Gary was likely correct - the car may have been in trasport and the guy got lost.

Do I close the thread now?

Richard


No. We need to know what he was doing so far off course.;)

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:41 PM

Whatever it is, I'd be surprised if that hood ornament turns out to be anything but a Packard cormorant. This is a blow-up of what is visible (seen from the rear of course).


Here's a better photo from Spud's thread. He is the owner of the cormorant as the well as the car that is attached to it.:)
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63 Buick Riviera
63 Dodge Dart 270 2dr sedan
63 Ford F-100 Custom Cab
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68 Cadillac SDV
70 Ford Maverick
72 Chevy Impala Sport Coupe
72 Ford Courier
73 Ford Gran Torino Hardtop Coupe
74 Mazda RX-4 Coupe
77 Plymouth Volare Premier Wagon
77 GMC Sierra Grande 4X4

82 Datsun Kingcab diesel

83 Pontiac Firebird

84 Mercedes 300D

84 Mercedes 230CE

85 Mercedes 300D

85 Ford F150

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88 Ford Escort LX
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:48 PM

rle612,

Don't feel bad that nobody could identify the car. Not too many people have ever seen a Thirties Peerless. Three-fourths of all Peerless production, time-wise, was before the Classic Era, but this Master Eight (or Model B) Coupe is a fairly rare Full Classic Peerless. Maybe more will turn up somewhere.

I was relayed a message September 18th (from my friend Bryan in Iowa) that Spud was on a tour and trying to get a hold of me, so maybe there was a tour out in the Black Hills. On September 27th, I was driving across western South Dakota on I-90 and am sorry I didn't see the car(I did see a Peerless in Murdo, SD).

Edited by jeff_a, 26 October 2012 - 09:12 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:09 AM

Well, I feel great that I was able to see such a rare car and get a photo.
My wide shot shows the desert in the background. Good for a calendar.

By the way, what does it mean when you say it is a HPOF- type car?

Thanks again. Richard





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