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#1 buick man

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 06:30 PM

I have a question regarding the 1958 Buick wiper system.

In 1957, Buick installed the vacuum pump at the end of the oil pump inside the pan. Just where is it for the 1958's? From the photo of a 58 Buick engine bay as shown below, it appears to look the same as the 57 setup with vacuum lines as well but the windshield washer jar moved over near the master brake cylinder.

I ask this, since I am told the 57 setup was a one year gig only and that 58 did it differently since the "pump n da pan" idea apparently did not work out that well in the long run.

Did Buick go back to the dual vacuum fuel pumps or did they have another way of increasing the needed vacuum to necessary to accommodate the needs of the wide swept Cam-O-Matic wiper system.

Any insight on this would be appreciated.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 06:49 PM

Here are photos of the 58 engine bay showing the vacuum setup.



Also, what is the correct part numbers for an A/C rated radiator as well as the part number for the non A/C radiators for 1958 Buicks?

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David - BCA # 45902 - 1957 Roadmaster 76A Coupe, 60K Survivor - RR & 731 and 1957 Roadmaster Model 75 4-door w/58K

..." Silly monkey Master, he continues to hold onto the fruit in the jar when the gardens outside are full with fruit - he should just let it go".. " I am pleased Grasshopper that you are wiser than the monkey "..." Oh I am much wiser Master" ..." I would hope you remain so, and know when it is time to let go of those things which no longer serve you but force you to serve them"

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 05:31 AM

What no 58'ers?
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:14 PM

My understanding is that the vacuum pump is inside the oil pan for '58 as well.

Radiator part numbers are listed as
1.219 Radiator
*3140932 1 1958-40 Conv. trans
1958 D.F
*3139736 1 1958 F.P.

Apparently, no different radiator for A.C., only for the flight pitch transmission.

Edited by bhclark, 29 November 2011 - 08:19 PM.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 11:59 PM

Thanks Brian. I chatted with a 58 guy on another site. He said the same thing. Spun and tested his pump out of the car with a drill. Says it was the only way he could use a vacuum gauge to see if it created vacuum on a non running car. Thanks for the radiator info as well!

Edited by buick man, 30 November 2011 - 12:02 AM.

David - BCA # 45902 - 1957 Roadmaster 76A Coupe, 60K Survivor - RR & 731 and 1957 Roadmaster Model 75 4-door w/58K

..." Silly monkey Master, he continues to hold onto the fruit in the jar when the gardens outside are full with fruit - he should just let it go".. " I am pleased Grasshopper that you are wiser than the monkey "..." Oh I am much wiser Master" ..." I would hope you remain so, and know when it is time to let go of those things which no longer serve you but force you to serve them"

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 04:35 PM

What I did on my 58. Throw that 58 oil pump out! It is trash. Get a later model...like a 59. I tried to use a stainless vacuum pump from the "best" maker. It also rests beside the 58 oil pump in the junk pile. Way to noisy...it even blanked out the motor noise. I finally tapped the intake to get great vacuum pressure to run my Newport wiper system. No problem with the new power brakes either.

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 06:31 PM

Yes I have heard that the Buick 59's are great oil pump units. What is a Newport system? Is that as in Chrysler Newport?
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 10:35 PM

New Port Engineering - Home of the Clean Wipe Wiper-Drive

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 01:17 AM

The problem with tapping into the intake vacuum is that when the engine is under load or at WOT, there is little or NO vacuum. What happens when you need to accelerate to pass when it's raining?

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 02:31 AM

Maybe this thread will help. The '58 system is just like the '57 except the location of the washer bottle/pump. - Dan

http://forums.aaca.o...ain-285390.html

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 12:21 AM

The problem with tapping into the intake vacuum is that when the engine is under load or at WOT, there is little or NO vacuum. What happens when you need to accelerate to pass when it's raining?


Adam, it appears the Newport system is 12 volt electric. Not endorsing it, just saying, that's all.
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 01:09 AM

I was referring to post #6 about tapping into the intake vacuum tee.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 04:06 AM

........ " well what happens when it's raining and you have to pass?


Well for me I have always liked the way those vacuum wipers slowed things down like a black strobe light out somewhere on the dance floor

Especially during those tense few moments when passing on a two way hi-way, up hill into on-coming traffic while fighting the dark with dim headlights, the wind and smothering rain

It has always made time, well sorta stand still. Kinda for those few brief suffocating moments as your secondaries kicked in on your big Carter, .......Whaaa-Roooom.... and echoing to the tempo of the blood plowing up and through the back of your cold neck

At that moment, the wipers wouldn't really stop and freeze mid-way on the windshield - It only seemed that way as it was the momentum, the momentum

The sensation of free flight and momentum - that is all there is for those brief few moments in time

... and then the final gush and swerve of centrifical force chasing your place back into the right lane before meeting your premature destiny head-on.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 03:54 PM

VERY GOOD DAVID. VERY GOOD!!

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